What are you going to do?

[BigChrisfilm]

This is one of the problems I have with much
of Christianity- all this negative emphasis on
sin.
If I sin, I acknowledge what I have done. I ask
the other person, or G-d, for forgiveness and
rectify the problem if possible. I vow never
to do it again.

That's your viewpoint, not mine. I leave it up to G-d
to judge me. I believe if I live a moral, ethical life,
following His mitzvot, and do the best I can, even
if not perfect, He will judge favorably.

God makes it clear in the OT what he will do with law breakers. You have no covering of sin, like you did in the OT. You can not be forgiven without blood. You can not be forgiven unless you repent of your sins, and turn to Jesus Christ. He is the messiah you are looking for. He will return, but it will be too late. The OT makes it abundantly clear that it was Jesus Christ. He is the I AM. You need to be saved from sin, not just push it off to the side like it doesn't matter. Look at how God deals with sinners, and most of all with you. He makes it clear he does not wink an eye at sin. He sees it, and he will by no means clear the guilty.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I'm not worried about my sin problem. The non-Christian religion I belong to has a different focus. We want everyone on Earth to love each other.

Do Christians, as a group instead of just a few exceptional individuals, actually practice turning the other cheek? Do they honestly believe that the meek shall inherit the Earth? Do they put up the sword into the sheath because everyone who lives by the sword shall die by the sword?

My religion believes God wants us to do those things on a daily basis.

Christians are more concerned with the world that is to come. This world will pass away, and all that you do will be in vain. It will profit nothing. You must repent, and turn to the savior. Only then can you truly serve God.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Personally, I can't think of anything more evil than an eternal Hell. So yes, I'd say that a God who doesn't condemn is far more just that one who condemns eternally.

A God that does not punish the guilty is no just. He is not good. It doesn't matter if you agree with God on eternal punishment. Who is right, you or God? I know who I got my money on.

 

[Eudaimonist]

It is not cowardly to accept someone else's help, when you know you can't do it yourself. It is pride that drives a man to do it all on his own, when he knows he can't do it.

It is cowardly to shift the blame and responsibility for one's own failings. It isn't pride, but rather responsibility, justice, and honesty that leads one to a good life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[TheOutsider]

Thank you kindly, Chris, for reminding me why I left Christianity in the first place. All of this negative thinking can't be good for you.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Thank you kindly, Chris, for reminding me why I left Christianity in the first place. All of this negative thinking can't be good for you.

Seriously. It it so easy to psyche oneself out with all of this "I can't live my own life; I can't improve" nonsense. It is programming oneself for dependence on others.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[AllworthThunder]

It doesn't matter if you believe in God. If I don't believe in trucks, and I walk out onto a highway, I will be killed by a truck even though I didn't believe in them. Same with God. You will die, and stand before him, with nothing to say for yourself except, I am sorry. But are you sorry you did what you did, or because you got caught? That will be up to him, and he already told us what will happen to you on judgment day. He will be GREATLY offended if you tell him you didn't even believe in him at all.

That is still not proof of a higher being. I will point to you this example.

There is currently a box in my neighbor's closet

Now I could be right, I could be talking out of my behind. Not me, nor you can prove that there is a box in my neighbor's closet. You can believe that there is a box in my neighbor's closet. It doesn't mean there is. Belief or faith doesn't prove anything other than your belief and faith in it.

 

[Fuzzy]

No, you can't have any of my money.

Read Luke 6:30.

Again I ask you, can I have your money? Or your cloak? Or your coat?

You do have a very large sin problem. The first being your denial.

Sin is dependent on paradigm. As I do not believe in the absolute authority of your God or your holy book, it follows that I do not hold myself to the same moral code you do (and that you rather vehemently ascribe to others). You'll probably respond that it's not your code, it's God's. Yeah, well, try a little Mark 6:11.

 

[peepnklown]

What are you going to do about your sin problem?

I do not follow the sin myth; which tales pre-date Christianity; its all ‘repent’ or else until you read the Sumerian version of the tale.

You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

You are guilty of burying your head in the sand.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Christians are more concerned with the world that is to come.

Yes, I've noticed that from talking to a lot of Christians over the years.

This world will pass away, and all that you do will be in vain. It will profit nothing.

I don't believe in doing good works because it will profit me. I believe in doing them as an expression of my love for God.

Secondly, Jesus said that we should do certain good works. Do you think He meant what He said? Are we supposed to obey those teachings?

You must repent, and turn to the savior. Only then can you truly serve God.

Neither you, nor any other Christian, has ever shown me any evidence at all that the non-Christian religion I currently belong to is not a brand new Revelation from God. Why, then, would I want to give it up?

 

[Vene]

Lying, Stealing, Blaspheme, Adultery, haterd (Murder of the heart) I don't need to prove to you that you do those things, because you already know you do. Anyone that says they have never done anything wrong is a liar, and therefor a law breaker. I am not judging you, God has already done that. You are already guilty. You are already going to hell. I am just trying to get you to step off that highway. You can stay on it if you wish. That's up to you, not me.

I never said that I have never done wrong. I'm only human and don't claim perfection. But sin doesn't exist. It's just an idea thrown around to control people like you. Hell isn't real, but it's a great way to control the simple minded-like you.

How about you actually do something to prove your religion (hateful as it is) to be true. Then you can go and preach your hellfire, brimestone, Chicken Little (the sky is falling) style of Christianity.

In short, you need to overcome your addiction. Why do you follow a monster. You god sounds like other Christian's Satan.

 

[Futuwwa]

What are you going to do about your sin problem? You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

I don't expect to be found innocent. I don't have a problem with the idea of God judging me for my sins.

 

[Rasta]

Wrong. I see it every day. Lying, Stealing, Blaspheme, Adultery, Murder. You can choose to cast a blind eye if you wish, but it's still there, whether you like it or you don't.

People see aliens every day too. So what? That doesn't mean aliens exsist outside of their imagination.

Some people see fairies, leprechauns, and elves too? Do thoes innately exsist because someone claims it?

Homer claimed that cyclopses, griffins, and mermaids exsist. Should I just take his word for it?

Sin is a subjective term that relys on the exsistence of god in order to be true. Good luck establishing that in a realistic way.

 

[Gardenia]

Chris.. Your argument isn't going to work here. As non-Christians we all have different ideas of 'sin' and all of that. You can tell us all day long what the Bible says and it isn't going to make a bit of difference. If we believed in the Bible we would be Christians, and there would be no need for this conversation. Since I do not believe the Bible is the word of God, you quoting it to me and telling me the ideas it puts forth is pretty much a waste of time.

Furthermore, all this thread does is remind me why I am no longer Christian. What a horribly negative world view.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

It is cowardly to shift the blame and responsibility for one's own failings. It isn't pride, but rather responsibility, justice, and honesty that leads one to a good life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

It is not cowardly. It is the only way, and it is humbling. Pride doesn't allow you to view it so.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Seriously. It it so easy to psyche oneself out with all of this "I can't live my own life; I can't improve" nonsense. It is programming oneself for dependence on others.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Well, that's not how I live my life.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

That is still not proof of a higher being. I will point to you this example.

There is currently a box in my neighbor's closet

Now I could be right, I could be talking out of my behind. Not me, nor you can prove that there is a box in my neighbor's closet. You can believe that there is a box in my neighbor's closet. It doesn't mean there is. Belief or faith doesn't prove anything other than your belief and faith in it.

Creation proves there was a creator.

 

[TheOutsider]

Creation proves there was a creator.

How can you tell the difference between something that is created and something that is uncreated?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Read Luke 6:30.

Again I ask you, can I have your money? Or your cloak? Or your coat?



Sin is dependent on paradigm. As I do not believe in the absolute authority of your God or your holy book, it follows that I do not hold myself to the same moral code you do (and that you rather vehemently ascribe to others). You'll probably respond that it's not your code, it's God's. Yeah, well, try a little Mark 6:11.

Nope, still can't have it. You know it's wrong to lie, steal, blaspheme, murder, commit adultery. You have the same moral code, you just don't follow it.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Yes, I've noticed that from talking to a lot of Christians over the years.

I don't believe in doing good works because it will profit me. I believe in doing them as an expression of my love for God.

Secondly, Jesus said that we should do certain good works. Do you think He meant what He said? Are we supposed to obey those teachings?

Neither you, nor any other Christian, has ever shown me any evidence at all that the non-Christian religion I currently belong to is not a brand new Revelation from God. Why, then, would I want to give it up?

Because your god doesn't exist. You must follow what the Bible says. You must repent and turn to Jesus Christ as your substitute for sin. If you don't do that, you are not saved.