What are you going to do?

[Rasta]

Thor gets very angry when you don't make sacrifices to him. Now that you know this, what are you going to do about it?

 

[Eudaimonist]

What are you going to do about your sin problem?

Sin problem?

If you are referring to vices, I strive to improve my moral character. I am doing something about this issue on my own.

You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

You are presenting an overly legalistic view of life.

If I hurt others, I apologize and try to make whatever amends are necessary. If I can't do this, I strive to improve my moral character so that the problem won't repeat itself.

I will not ask anyone to take the rap for me, which is the cowardly way out.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[R3quiem]

What are you going to do about your sin problem? You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

I don't view sin as you do, and I don't believe in a god that tortures people for eternity for a mistake such as a single lie.

Yes, I make mistakes, but I learn from them. If god wanted perfect people, he should have made me perfect.

 

[Vene]

What are you going to do about your sin problem? You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

Hey, it's Chris! How you doing? Enjoying the ban?

Now for the topic:
What is this sin you speak of? Can you provide evidence for it?
I thought that Christians weren't supposed to judge others and instead leave it to Jesus.

 

[Ramona]

What are you going to do about your sin problem?

If I do something mean, dishonest, greedy, or vindictive, I seek forgiveness of the person I have wronged first, and make it up to them if possible. I then ask God to forgive me, although first and foremost my transgression has affected the other person, so of course I'll go to him/her first.

You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

Default.

If Hell is eternal, then God is not omniscent, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent. If God is none of those things, then he is not infinitely merciful, which would make our Lord Jesus a liar.

Furthermore, as I have said before, if I can imagine God, then my perception is too narrow.

 

[ChavaK]

What are you going to do about your sin problem?

This is one of the problems I have with much
of Christianity- all this negative emphasis on
sin.
If I sin, I acknowledge what I have done. I ask
the other person, or G-d, for forgiveness and
rectify the problem if possible. I vow never
to do it again.

You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

That's your viewpoint, not mine. I leave it up to G-d
to judge me. I believe if I live a moral, ethical life,
following His mitzvot, and do the best I can, even
if not perfect, He will judge favorably.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

What are you going to do about your sin problem? You are guilty, how will you be found innocent?

I'm not worried about my sin problem. The non-Christian religion I belong to has a different focus. We want everyone on Earth to love each other.

Do Christians, as a group instead of just a few exceptional individuals, actually practice turning the other cheek? Do they honestly believe that the meek shall inherit the Earth? Do they put up the sword into the sheath because everyone who lives by the sword shall die by the sword?

My religion believes God wants us to do those things on a daily basis.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

By praying to God for forgiveness. Hoping that He will forgive my sins.

By not knowing if I will attain salvation or damnation in the next life, makes me strive to be the best person every day, every second and all the while asking directly to God to forgive my transgressions.

Why should God forgive you? Is your god not just? Doesn't he love us enough to punish those that do evil to us? Doesn't your god care?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Those are your beliefs, not mine. You are welcome to them, but know that I do not share them, as I have said.
I do not believe that I must make up every wrong, that I must fix all my "sins". Again, my view on human nature, on God, and on sin are much different from the Christian view. If I believed the same as you, I would be a Christian. As I am not, I do not.


Do you really think that is all God sees? I doubt this highly. What about all the love, compassion, mercy, charity, friendship, happiness..? These things also exist in the world.

I think God becomes upset when one shows no remorse. When one does not try to correct wrongs which can be corrected, when one refuses to learn from their actions and the actions of others. When one knowingly makes this world a worse place without a care.


Again, you and I both have very different ideas on the nature of humans, souls, and "punishment". Christians understand all sins to be the same. I do not. It is like saying one who stole a soda must suffer the same punishment as one who has killed 50 innocent people. Both actions are wrong, but both actions are not deserving of the same punishment. A punishment must fit the crime. On that note, there is nothing to which eternal hell is a just punishment.

No, eternal punishment in hell is the minimum punishment. Actually, people don't do good. He see's the good people do, but he also sees the reason for it. He also sees the rape. The murder. The people that get away with it, and mock and make fun of those that can't catch them. He sees the death of millions of children everyday, because someone was too self serving to allow a child to live. There is no good in this world. There are no good people. No one does good, no, not one. God doesn't see the good in us, because there is no good in us. We are all self concieted. All the good we do is for our own gain. We do not care for others, unless they have something to give us. Weither that be wealth, peace of mind, or pride. God sees this all, and he is not going to just let it all be forgotten. If he did that, he wouldn't be a just God.

 

[Ramona]

Why should God forgive you? Is your god not just? Doesn't he love us enough to punish those that do evil to us? Doesn't your god care?

Personally, I can't think of anything more evil than an eternal Hell. So yes, I'd say that a God who doesn't condemn is far more just that one who condemns eternally.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Don't have a sin problem, and therefore am not guilty of sin.

Can I have all your money?

No, you can't have any of my money. You do have a very large sin problem. The first being your denial.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Yes, I should have said 'Christian' instead of picking a specific belief.

Now is there any chance of responding to my question?

Well it's kinda a strawman, because you assume that person will get forgiven by God. You don't understand salvation, if that's what you truly think. But what do you mean by no one can explain eternal life? I can explain it to you easy, but why don't you just read the Bible, as that's where it comes from?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Wow. Wasn't there a bible passage about taking the log out of your own eye? Why are you so sure that A) all of us are wicked and B) we care about artificial concepts as "sin"? Isn't being smugly presumptuous a sin? You know, one of those venial ones.

Sure, I consider myself moral, but the God I believe in would not stoop so low as to intercede in the name of wrath upon his/her creations.

You are right. Your god would never do that because he can't. He doesn't really exist. All I am doing is telling you what the Bible says. I am not judging you. This is completely Biblical. Straight from the text. You are not good, that's what it says. If you have a problem with that, you should take it up with God, because he's the one that said it. I do however believe him, because he can not lie.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

isn't that up to god? doesn't god's holy spirit help people with knowing sin?
if so you are judging people, and this according to christian belief is up to god not you

for me i know i did wrong by the hurt i cause not because of some god, who may or may not exist

sorry but i see nothing to need help with and i'd like to see you mind your own business and if your god has a problem with me, he can talk to me
if he's such an all powerful deity why does he need your help?

God says in the Bible that he will in no way excuse the guilty. Therefore, yes it is up to God. I am just telling you he has already made up his mind. The Holy Spirit convicts people all the time. You however have free will, and can choose to do with that as you will. God does exist, believe that for sure. There is plenty you need help with. Lying. Stealing. Blaspheme. Idolatry. Adultery. Murder of the heart. Just to name a few. He doesn't need my help, but he chooses to allow me to proclaim it to you. You can do with it as you will.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

You don't seem to understand that your arguments don't work on people who don't share your beliefs. I don't believe in any god or gods. I don't believe in the concept of sin. I don't believe that my (or anyone's) heart is "evil" because I do things that are wrong sometimes. I don't believe that I need to "repent" because I don't share your beliefs on God or the afterlife.Your argument does not work on me or anyone else who doesn't share your beliefs.

It doesn't matter if you believe in God. If I don't believe in trucks, and I walk out onto a highway, I will be killed by a truck even though I didn't believe in them. Same with God. You will die, and stand before him, with nothing to say for yourself except, I am sorry. But are you sorry you did what you did, or because you got caught? That will be up to him, and he already told us what will happen to you on judgment day. He will be GREATLY offended if you tell him you didn't even believe in him at all.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Sin is an idea. This idea does not exsist in reality, only the imagination.

Wrong. I see it every day. Lying, Stealing, Blaspheme, Adultery, Murder. You can choose to cast a blind eye if you wish, but it's still there, whether you like it or you don't.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Sin problem?

If you are referring to vices, I strive to improve my moral character. I am doing something about this issue on my own.



You are presenting an overly legalistic view of life.

If I hurt others, I apologize and try to make whatever amends are necessary. If I can't do this, I strive to improve my moral character so that the problem won't repeat itself.

I will not ask anyone to take the rap for me, which is the cowardly way out.


eudaimonia,

Mark

It is not cowardly to accept someone else's help, when you know you can't do it yourself. It is pride that drives a man to do it all on his own, when he knows he can't do it.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I don't view sin as you do, and I don't believe in a god that tortures people for eternity for a mistake such as a single lie.

Yes, I make mistakes, but I learn from them. If god wanted perfect people, he should have made me perfect.

I can almost 100% guarantee you that there isn't a single person going to hell because they told one lie. In fact, that person doesn't exist. You will not go to hell because you messed up once. You will go to hell because you have never done ANYTHING but sin. The Bible makes that very clear.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Hey, it's Chris! How you doing? Enjoying the ban?

Now for the topic:
What is this sin you speak of? Can you provide evidence for it?
I thought that Christians weren't supposed to judge others and instead leave it to Jesus.

Lying, Stealing, Blaspheme, Adultery, haterd (Murder of the heart) I don't need to prove to you that you do those things, because you already know you do. Anyone that says they have never done anything wrong is a liar, and therefor a law breaker. I am not judging you, God has already done that. You are already guilty. You are already going to hell. I am just trying to get you to step off that highway. You can stay on it if you wish. That's up to you, not me.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

If I do something mean, dishonest, greedy, or vindictive, I seek forgiveness of the person I have wronged first, and make it up to them if possible. I then ask God to forgive me, although first and foremost my transgression has affected the other person, so of course I'll go to him/her first.



Default.

If Hell is eternal, then God is not omniscent, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent. If God is none of those things, then he is not infinitely merciful, which would make our Lord Jesus a liar.

Furthermore, as I have said before, if I can imagine God, then my perception is too narrow.

Your post makes no sense. Hell can be eternal, and God be omniscent, omniptent, and omnibenevolent all at the same time.