What are we saved from?

[narnia59]

God's wrath, stored up against me as the result of my sin against Him.

God does not need to save us from Himself. He saves us from our enemy.

 

[Aneeve]

I'm finding that our interpretation of what we are saved from really informs how we read the scriptures and which 'theology' we subscribe to.

So what are you guys saved from?

I am saved from sin and condemnation.

 

[Publius]

God does not need to save us from Himself. He saves us from our enemy.

While I understand that Catholics may believe differently, I have to defer to scripture, which says that we are saved from the wrath of God.

 

[bugkiller]

I'm finding that our interpretation of what we are saved from really informs how we read the scriptures and which 'theology' we subscribe to.

So what are you guys saved from?

The very first thing I am redeemed from is sin and its effects.

The second thing I am redeemed from is the law and its effects.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Good honest answers here, guys.

Now, if I may, here's some follow-up questions:

How do you think 'what we are saved from' shows up in a practical way in our lives? (What we do, what we say, what we type, etc.)

For example, do you think that someone who believes that he is primarily saved from hell (whichever version) would act differently from someone who believes he was saved from himself?

Or has the definition of 'what we are saved from' changed for you during the course of your own walk? How has that affected your relationship with God?

Yes and I like how Romans 6 and Galatians 5 handle the matter.

Oh and I do not have fire insurance salvation.

bugkiller

 

[weathered]

I am saved from deceiving myself.

Dito

 

[weathered]

God does not need to save us from Himself. He saves us from our enemy.

I thought we are our own worst enemy? That seems to be my case anyway.

 

[SolomonVII]

God does not need to save us from Himself. He saves us from our enemy.

James 4
2
There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy.

Matthew 10
28
And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

 

[narnia59]

While I understand that Catholics may believe differently, I have to defer to scripture, which says that we are saved from the wrath of God.

And Scripture says:
20 But as he considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; 21 she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

and this:
2 Timothy 4:18
The Lord will rescue me from every evil and save me for his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Is God Himself one of the "evils" we need to be rescued from? Most surely not. Isn't it just a tad illogical to think that God needs to save us from Himself?

The problem with those verses which refer to being saved from God's wrath (and yes, there are those verses) is not the Scripture. It's that people interpret them in such a way that they actually view God's wrath as being the equivalent of a human emotion, only much larger and grander.

That is not God's wrath at all. God's wrath can only be understood in relation to his holiness, and knowing that the only way we can see his face and live is to be freed from sin and made perfectly holy.

Hence, when God gave Adam the command to not eat the fruit of the tree, he did not tell him that if he did, he would experience God's wrath and God would kill him. Rather, he quite simply tells him that if he is disobedient, he will die. Not because God 'makes' him die, but because he has chosen to cut himself off from life itself -- God.

And please note that Scripture also says this about God's wrath:
Isaiah 54:8 "In overflowing wrath for a moment I hid my face from you, but with everlasting love I will have compassion on you, says the LORD, your Redeemer."

God's wrath overflowing would be to simply leave us alone in the mess we've made. So yes, in that context we're being saved from God's wrath. For instead he chose to launch his plan of redemption to save us from our sins.

And while I understand my view may not be part of your tradition, it is not foreign to Scripture at all.

 

[Forge3]

I am the voice in the darkness calling out to those that may hear. I am the tender reed unbruised by wind or by rain. I am the voice of God calling back His lost sheep unto His bossom of compassion. I am His servant and yours. Ignore me and my words and answer to my Creator. That is your decision or choice. I have no enmity with my enemies. The Word of God is like unto a sword that circumsizes the hard of heart.

Your servant always,

MKark

 

[Publius]

And Scripture says:
20 But as he considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; 21 she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

and this:
2 Timothy 4:18
The Lord will rescue me from every evil and save me for his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Is God Himself one of the "evils" we need to be rescued from? Most surely not. Isn't it just a tad illogical to think that God needs to save us from Himself?

The problem with those verses which refer to being saved from God's wrath (and yes, there are those verses) is not the Scripture. It's that people interpret them in such a way that they actually view God's wrath as being the equivalent of a human emotion, only much larger and grander.

That is not God's wrath at all. God's wrath can only be understood in relation to his holiness, and knowing that the only way we can see his face and live is to be freed from sin and made perfectly holy.

Hence, when God gave Adam the command to not eat the fruit of the tree, he did not tell him that if he did, he would experience God's wrath and God would kill him. Rather, he quite simply tells him that if he is disobedient, he will die. Not because God 'makes' him die, but because he has chosen to cut himself off from life itself -- God.

And please note that Scripture also says this about God's wrath:
Isaiah 54:8 "In overflowing wrath for a moment I hid my face from you, but with everlasting love I will have compassion on you, says the LORD, your Redeemer."

God's wrath overflowing would be to simply leave us alone in the mess we've made. So yes, in that context we're being saved from God's wrath. For instead he chose to launch his plan of redemption to save us from our sins.

And while I understand my view may not be part of your tradition, it is not foreign to Scripture at all.

Like I said, while I understand that Catholics have their own unique take on things, including a very creative approach to hermeneutics, judging by your posts, we follow scripture, not your opinion. So my original answer stands: we are saved from the wrath of God, stored up against sinners as the result of our sin.

Will Catholics be able to stand against God's wrath when they stand before God's Great White Throne?

 

[seeingeyes]

Will Catholics be able to stand against God's wrath when they stand before God's Great White Throne?

I'm sure the protestants will take care of 'em before they get there.

Who saves us from the wrath of other Christians?

 

[dunstantom]

In addition to being save from my sins, I believe God saves us from the guilt of our sins. Others may elaborate more (or correct me) on this phrase, but the meaning I take is that my sins are not a burden. I can live life focused on becoming like Christ and not dragged down in the pessimism of how far I have to go.

And not just with guilt, but any emotion. My emotions are around me but not my master. I can experience them, use them to empathise (so that I may rejoice and mourn with others when needed), and I can give them up to the Lord and be free of them. I believe this process of giving emotions to the Lord is a part of sanctification and leads to a better and happier way of life. This leads me to want to share it with everyone else!

 

[Forge3]

In addition to being save from my sins, I believe God saves us from the guilt of our sins. Others may elaborate more (or correct me) on this phrase, but the meaning I take is that my sins are not a burden. I can live life focused on becoming like Christ and not dragged down in the pessimism of how far I have to go.

And not just with guilt, but any emotion. My emotions are around me but not my master. I can experience them, use them to empathise (so that I may rejoice and mourn with others when needed), and I can give them up to the Lord and be free of them. I believe this process of giving emotions to the Lord is a part of sanctification and leads to a better and happier way of life. This leads me to want to share it with everyone else!

You have been given some wisdom.

 

[seeingeyes]

In addition to being save from my sins, I believe God saves us from the guilt of our sins. Others may elaborate more (or correct me) on this phrase, but the meaning I take is that my sins are not a burden. I can live life focused on becoming like Christ and not dragged down in the pessimism of how far I have to go.

And not just with guilt, but any emotion. My emotions are around me but not my master. I can experience them, use them to empathise (so that I may rejoice and mourn with others when needed), and I can give them up to the Lord and be free of them. I believe this process of giving emotions to the Lord is a part of sanctification and leads to a better and happier way of life. This leads me to want to share it with everyone else!

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8)

I think we tend to apply this to condemnation from God, but it also applies to condemnation for ourselves and also for others.

Free indeed.

 

[Forge3]

I am one of God's prophets. Ignore this post and my words. That will only reflect upon you at the time of judgment. My words are true.

 

[seeingeyes]

I am one of God's prophets. Ignore this post and my words. That will only reflect upon you at the time of judgment. My words are true.

Who's ignoring you?

If you want to be responded to, you have to say something that demands a response. Of course, that doesn't always work either...some of my most brilliant monologues have been deleted by mods.

 

[Forge3]

Who's ignoring you?

If you want to be responded to, you have to say something that demands a response. Of course, that doesn't always work either...some of my most brilliant monologues have been deleted by mods.

My words are true because they are weighed out by God. Rarely does anyone pay heed to my Word. God called me to be your servant and that of others, But the servnt in His Kigdom has wisdom that the leaders have not. I cannot count upon my fingers how often His word is ignored in this ephermeral world.

 

[narnia59]

Like I said, while I understand that Catholics have their own unique take on things, including a very creative approach to hermeneutics, judging by your posts, we follow scripture, not your opinion. So my original answer stands: we are saved from the wrath of God, stored up against sinners as the result of our sin.

Will Catholics be able to stand against God's wrath when they stand before God's Great White Throne?

I assume you are referring to the judgment in Revelation 20. Who do you believe will be judged at that time?

 

[seeingeyes]

My words are true because they are weighed out by God. Rarely does anyone pay heed to my Word. God called me to be your servant and that of others, But the servnt in His Kigdom has wisdom that the leaders have not. I cannot count upon my fingers how often His word is ignored in this ephermeral world.

But you haven't really...said anything except, "don't ignore me"...

What response are you looking for?