What are the Weaknesses of Evolution?

[Baggins]

Didn't.
What does being a Christian mean?

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Burning witches

 

[gamespotter10]

there are a couple of holes in the theory of evolution, but there isn't a single piece of scientific evidence that refutes evolution

 

[mujercristiana]

I have studied evolution in classes. I have taken physics and biology. I appreciate the wonder of the human body and the way God reveals Himself through science. I do not like the way the scientific community discredits any Christian perspective. Our beliefs to them are like fluffy fairytales. Why don't they go study theology and find the evidence displayed in God's word? God has left His handprint in everything so that man is without excuse.
All that's left is the big sign that says: "I made this, God," with an out of world DNA to prove it. Still, they'll find some way to deny it.

 

[gamespotter10]

I have studied evolution in classes. I have taken physics and biology. I appreciate the wonder of the human body and the way God reveals Himself through science. I do not like the way the scientific community discredits any Christian perspective. Our beliefs to them are like fluffy fairytales. Why don't they go study theology and find the evidence displayed in God's word? God has left His handprint in everything so that man is without excuse.
All that's left is the big sign that says: "I made this, God," with an out of world DNA to prove it. Still, they'll find some way to deny it.

the reason scientists like to discredit christianity is because of genesis. there is absolutely no way that the earth can be 6000 years old. young earth creationists are waging a war on reason, and scientists are waging a war on ignorance.

fellow evolutionists, lets make the 21st century the century to eradicate ignorance

 

[EnemyPartyII]

the reason scientists like to discredit christianity is because of genesis. there is absolutely no way that the earth can be 6000 years old. young earth creationists are waging a war on reason, and scientists are waging a war on ignorance.

fellow evolutionists, lets make the 21st century the century to eradicate ignorance

I don't think there are actually many scientists interested in discrediting Christianity... indeed, many scientists ARE Christians... there is no inherent conflict between Christianity and a scientific understanding of the universe... the only time ione runs into difficulty is if one insists on a simplisitc literalist understanding of the Bible

 

[FishFace]

I have studied evolution in classes. I have taken physics and biology. I appreciate the wonder of the human body and the way God reveals Himself through science. I do not like the way the scientific community discredits any Christian perspective. Our beliefs to them are like fluffy fairytales. Why don't they go study theology and find the evidence displayed in God's word?

Given that most, or at least many, atheists these days start out as theists, it seems likely that the very reason they are atheists is because they looked for evidence, and didn't find any. That's what happened to me, anyway.

The thing is, pointing at life or the universe or anything and saying, "Isn't that awesome" is all very well, but it doesn't amount to evidence of God. You might think, "well, isn't it an awesome coincidence that all of this turned out right for life?" Well, perhaps it is, but if it hadn't turned out that way, we wouldn't be here to notice - so it should be no surprise that life wakes up and sees a universe that is capable of supporting life. Furthermore, if you were to suppose a God is accountable for all of these "coincidences," one would be justified in asking, "well, isn't it an even huger coincidence that there is a God who fancied making a universe capable of supporting life." Supposing something even more complex and awesome to explain the complex and awesome doesn't solve any kind of problem - you just end up saying, "Nonono, God doesn't need an explanation, he just is." Well, if something can just be then so can the universe, so there's no need for God.

All that's left is the big sign that says: "I made this, God," with an out of world DNA to prove it. Still, they'll find some way to deny it.

It would be so ludicrously easy, if God actually existed, for him to prove himself, that anyone in their right minds should be suspicious of the fact that we have to look sideways at things like "complexity" and so on to find evidence. All the while I was sliding through deism into atheism, God could, at any point, have popped up in a dream, or done any number of things, and bang, back I'd be, more faithful than ever. Even now, he need only, say, make a pea appear in front of me and I'd know something was up.

Clearly, God doesn't actually want me to believe in him - anything God wants, God has, being omnipotent and everything.

 

[mujercristiana]

the reason scientists like to discredit christianity is because of genesis. there is absolutely no way that the earth can be 6000 years old. young earth creationists are waging a war on reason, and scientists are waging a war on ignorance.

fellow evolutionists, lets make the 21st century the century to eradicate ignorance

But why should it follow what Christians believe is ignorance? The Bible comes to fruition when it discusses the wisdom of the world and the wisdom of God. My disbelief in ToE has resulted in a loss of friends, not because I disrespected their beliefs, all I said was "I don't believe in the theory of evolution. I believe in intelligent design," and then I claimed, "but it's great we can agree to disagree." They turned around and said, "I have no respect for someone who willfully ignores facts" and then I was called ignorant.

Yes. I know people said the Earth was flat, and I know that Galileo was right when a church claimed he was wrong. (Notice I said a church, and not THE church. And when I say church, I don't mean a particular denomination, creed or building.) But these teachings did not contradict the existence of an active creator, the way ToE does. The study that claims I share an ancestry with an animal, and I do not like classifying man as an animal, removes God's purporseful design and it is a notion I willfully reject and that makes me someone that the scientific community needs to "wage war" against?

With such notions as these, it is no wonder science and religion will always be at odds. You cannot refute enlightenment my friend.

And to FishFace, I will pray that God does reveal Himself to you as He did to me. I prayed long and hard for a revelation, and such it came, and His presence in my life is very real and very active, just as He is involved in nature. God bless you.

 

[Dannager]

I do not like classifying man as an animal

This is the beginning, middle and end of why you reject evolutionary theory and cling to young earth creationism (even if you're not capable of admitting it) despite the intellectual dishonesty that you have to commit yourself to.

You don't like it.

 

[mujercristiana]

This is the beginning, middle and end of why you reject evolutionary theory and cling to young earth creationism (even if you're not capable of admitting it) despite the intellectual dishonesty that you have to commit yourself to.

You don't like it.

And why do you reject the notion of God? I'm very sure it is the same reason.

See, you might view my perception as skewed when I tell you my faith is fact. You do not know what God has done in my life and for many personal experience speaks more than certain isolated scientific facts.

To compare man to animal is to debase someone created in the image of God. I am sorry you do not like to hear that.

 

[Dannager]

And why do you reject the notion of God? I'm very sure it is the same reason.

*points to faith icon* I'm Catholic. God and I are on pretty good terms.

See, you might view my perception as skewed when I tell you my faith is fact. You do not know what God has done in my life and for many personal experience speaks more than certain isolated scientific facts.

I'm sure God has done many great things for you. That doesn't mean you get to reject established fact out of hand, just because you don't like it.

To compare man to animal is to debase someone created in the image of God. I am sorry you do not like to hear that.

Perhaps you've never been made aware that there are millions of Christians (the majority of Christianity, in fact) who have no problem whatsoever with evolutionary theory.

 

[Galle]

My disbelief in ToE has resulted in a loss of friends, not because I disrespected their beliefs, all I said was "I don't believe in the theory of evolution. I believe in intelligent design," and then I claimed, "but it's great we can agree to disagree." They turned around and said, "I have no respect for someone who willfully ignores facts" and then I was called ignorant.

There is a huge difference between ignorance and willful ignorance. Generally speaking, simply not knowing something is not unethical or immoral. But willful ignorance is different; willfully ignoring facts because those facts are inconvenient to one's ideology is intellectually dishonest and dishonorable. I'm sorry for any loss of friends this might have caused you, but at the same time I can hardly condemn others for taking a stance against unethical behavior.

But these teachings did not contradict the existence of an active creator, the way ToE does.

It needs to be noted that Evolution and Christianity are not incompatible. There are many Christians who acknowledge evolution, indeed, many theists in general who acknowledge evolution.

The study that claims I share an ancestry with an animal, and I do not like classifying man as an animal, removes God's purporseful design and it is a notion I willfully reject and that makes me someone that the scientific community needs to "wage war" against?

I think we get to the heart of the problem here. The fact that you are an animal and share ancestry with animals does not contradict Christianity at all. What it does is hurt your ego.

I'm sorry, but this simply does not constitute a rational objection to evolution.

 

[mujercristiana]

To Dannager,

I am so sorry I made the assumption you were atheist. (Once again the saying about assumption proves itself true.) My hugely mistaken belief is what made me state the 2nd quoted response in your reply.
And yes, I do have a problem with Christians who accept the ToE. Some of my friends have taken this stance, thankfully, it doesn't lead to insults.
Again, apologies.

 

[elcapitan]

I have studied evolution in classes. I have taken physics and biology. I appreciate the wonder of the human body and the way God reveals Himself through science. I do not like the way the scientific community discredits any Christian perspective. Our beliefs to them are like fluffy fairytales. Why don't they go study theology and find the evidence displayed in God's word? God has left His handprint in everything so that man is without excuse.
All that's left is the big sign that says: "I made this, God," with an out of world DNA to prove it. Still, they'll find some way to deny it.

You need to understand that just because science is non-christian does not mean that it is anti-chrisitian. Science deals with a naturalistic physical world, but not the supernatural or spritual one. Thus, science cannot disprove the existence of God, heaven or that Jesus died for our sins. Science can, however, prove that humans evolved from other animals, that the earth is billions of years old and that there was no global flood, because the evidence for these are physical.

Science does not go out of it's way to discredit any Christian perspective. Science tries to understand nature and the physical world, and in doing so it has happened to contradict a literal interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Dannager]

To Dannager,

I am so sorry I made the assumption you were atheist. (Once again the saying about assumption proves itself true.) My hugely mistaken belief is what made me state the 2nd quoted response in your reply.
And yes, I do have a problem with Christians who accept the ToE. Some of my friends have taken this stance, thankfully, it doesn't lead to insults.
Again, apologies.

That's fine, but you need to realize that you do not reject evolution for any good reason.

There are good reasons to reject scientific theories.

For example, a good reason to reject a theory would be because it does not have any evidence, or because it has been disproved, or because it has no established falsifiability conditions, or because its predictions cannot be tested. Those are all good reasons to reject a theory.

"I don't like it," is not a good reason. It is a very poor reason. You need to learn a few things about what you're arguing against before you continue to do so. If you'd like to start, Berkeley has a very good website for people new to trying to understand the theory. Check out http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

It doesn't go with the historical eye witness account of the begining of the world.

Wow! I'd love to read that account!

 

[FoeHammer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

What is a scotsman?

I'm not waffling about anything.. just curious if you got the name "FoeHammer" from the "Witch Hammer."

Curious? Then why didn't you ask?
It's from The Hobbit by Tolkien.

..... By the way, I can't read your sig. Could you please make it bigger and more red?
Split Rock.

Goto view, text size, largest or start, all programs, accessories, accessibility, magnifier... does that help?

FoeHammer.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

Tolkien' is hobbit forming.

 

[FoeHammer]

Burning witches

LOL... You don't have a clue do you? You simply read swallow and regurgitate

FoeHammer.

 

[Baggins]

LOL... You don't have a clue do you? You simply read swallow and regurgitate

FoeHammer.

I said Christians burned witches

You said they didn't

I proved they did

End of story.

You can bluster all you want, I don't even know why you'd want to deny it as the bible commands it. I think you have got so used to nay-saying anything rational that it a kind of trait you find impossible to over-ride now.

So enlighten us then, why didn't Christians burn witches when all the evidence shows they did?

You could try the "no true Scotsman" ( a Scotsman is a person who comes from Scotland ) fallacy, but we have preempted this. You could ignore all the posts that ask you to substantiate your claims, or you can just bluster. At the moment I see you are going for option 3

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No, the witch burnings were carried out by christians, not TrueChristians(tm)

BIG difference