What are the real reasons people do not like "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching (messages)...?

[Neogaia777]

Fear discipline, or fear discipline...?

IOW's fear of being punished, or fear of hurting or displeasing God, or taking him for granted, or abusing grace, just for the sake of not wanting to do those things to God, out of your love for him, and not so much fear of the actual punishment, or spanking...?

But not wanting to hurt God, so very much, that the actual punishment is not the main issue, but that you so do not want to displease him so much, that if and when you do, you beat yourself up, much much more so than God ever does, or perhaps, even has to...?

Like a child that's not crying or is in despair because of the spanking, but because he really truly knows how much he displeased his parents, in that moment, and has fallen from grace in his parents eyes in that moment, and that is mainly why he or she is crying or is upset (with themselves)...

God Bless!

I talk to God about my sins all the time, even right after I do them, and I lament them greatly, I wonder if it's so much so, that God does not have to consider punishing me for them anymore... that's just a feeling I get from him sometimes...

I don't like to disappoint him at all, cause I love him so very much... I am much like the child, who beats themselves up very much and cries and laments a lot and greatly, if you even halfway think you might have disappointed your parents in even the slightest smallest way, that you break down in tears, and lament greatly, if you parents even give you a bad look, or even look at you in the wrong way... Get's me everytime...

That's all he has to do with me, is just look at me wrong, or in the wrong way, and I crumble...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I talk to God about my sins all the time, even right after I do them, and I lament them greatly, I wonder if it's so much so, that God does not have to consider punishing me for them anymore... that's just a feeling I get from him sometimes...

I don't like to disappoint him at all, cause I love him so very much... I am much like the child, who beats themselves up very much and cries and laments a lot and greatly, if you even halfway think you might have disappointed your parents in even the slightest smallest way, that you break down in tears, and lament greatly, if you parents even give you a bad look, or even look at you in the wrong way... Get's me everytime...

That's all he has to do with me, is just look at me wrong, or in the wrong way, and I crumble...

God Bless!

Sometimes he reminds me of my mother, cause, if/when just a wrong look doesn't work, if then he adds a "guilt trip" (cause he knows how much I love him), then I really start to feel really, very bad, when he does that... And I fall to my knees and cry out to him like a baby... With a ton of "I'm sorry's" and a bunch of lamenting talk...

God Bless!

 

[cfyahoo08]

What are the real reasons people do not like "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching (messages)...?

Why does this rub people the wrong way, or bother their conscience, or strike them as "wrong" or bad, or maybe even "evil" sometimes...?

What are the "real reasons" for this...?

Comments/discussion...?

God Bless!

Because God loves us and wants us to be happy.

It really is bad PR.

No one really enjoys / likes hearing what they may or may not be doing wrong.

 

[Neogaia777]

What is the "good news about the bad news"...?

God Bless!

 

[Dan the deacon]

I do not like harsh preaching. But I need it and thank God for it.

 

[MMDave3]

Argue about the divine truth of it all you want, at the end of the day, people don't like being threatened. That's the quick answer.

 

[Neogaia777]

I do not like harsh preaching. But I need it and thank God for it.

For those trying to be a new man or person, sometimes it just reminds us of the old man/person (that were trying to kill), and can be counterproductive (at that point) to our goal(s)...

But at the start, it can be good, I guess... But, at some point "after that" it becomes counterproductive, I think...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Argue about the divine truth of it all you want, at the end of the day, people don't like being threatened. That's the quick answer.

Should they be "threatened into submission"...?

Is God a tyrant...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I think obedience out of love is far superior to obedience out of fear...

But there is a place and time for both... It can begin with fear, but must end in love... Otherwise the journey will never be truly complete(d)... And that love, will cast out that former fear, as it grows, matures, and develops...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I think obedience out of love is far superior to obedience out of fear...

But there is a place and time for both... It can begin with fear, but must end in love... Otherwise the journey will never be truly complete(d)... And that love, will cast out that former fear, as it grows, matures, and develops...

God Bless!

I have noticed that is that journey is taken and becomes closer to being completed, that it will also motivate/provoke you also to "righteousness", and one must be very, very careful with that, and not forget what you formerly were, or how long your own journey was, or took you, and not be or become "self-righteous" in the process...

Though you now love, your former fear, will turn into righteous anger sometimes, and if your not very, very careful with that, it can lead you to sin... You must keep a tight hold and reign on it, and never let it/that ever get out of control, or else...

God Bless!

 

[frater_domus]

I do not like them, if taken too far, because it puts emphasis on God's wrath as opposed to his forgiveness and love. However, I also find it important, because the total absence of the fire and brimstone teaching results in wishy washy preaching, that tells you to try Jesus for 30 days with a money back guarantee. People need to understand the severity of the situation and to realize that Jesus isn't a cool little addition to their lives, but a necessity.

In my opinion, a good middle ground is to teach why Jesus is important and that without him we are subject to God's wrath. However, I would leave fire and brimstone out of the picture. Those kinds of preaching comes across as condescending, maniacal and accusing, causing the listener to question is the integrity of the preacher, rightfully so. It creates a "I am better than you" vibe, which is downright wrong. It is almost medieval.

We need to teach the fear of God, but do it with more delicacy than the threat of hellfire.

 

[name_is_irrelevant]

What are the real reasons people do not like "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching (messages)...?

Why does this rub people the wrong way, or bother their conscience, or strike them as "wrong" or bad, or maybe even "evil" sometimes...?

What are the "real reasons" for this...?

Comments/discussion...?

God Bless!

Because it's a downer and it forces you to face reality, when so much of your happiness in life is dependent on not thinking about heavy stuff like that. Is this justifiable? No. Is this the way it is? Yes. No one wants to think about hell and damnation, because it sucks.

 

[jamesbond007]

It's forever. I don't think there is an in-between like you just remain dead. Then, there are questions about purgatory where one can atone for their lesser sins. It seems like what God planned with Adam and Eve where all humans live with God forever in paradise changed to something where only a few get to heaven and the majority end up in suffering. Those who are evil probably deserve the fire and brimstone, but we're not sure how it plays out for everyone in the next life.

 

[Angeldove97]

I think like others have said: the truth hurts.

But we can go further with that idea:
1) the person who is sharing a message with this has the WRONG message for us (either unbiblical/not the right mission for the person).

2) the person is not in the right spot be that far in their faith - we have to remember this walk with Christ is for a lifetime. Sometimes we are really not ready to hear a message yet - it doesn't mean we won't ever be ready, but we need to accomplish other parts of our faith before we are ready for change another part of ourselves.

 

[Dave L]

In the Old Testament God continually threatened the Jews with war, sickness, poverty and death for disobedience. And he promised peace and happiness in trade for obedience. The Law could not save, it could only make life better on earth in trade for obedience, and worse for disobedience.

Many preachers turn the gospel into a similar Law, using threats of hell for disobedience and rewards of heaven for obedience. But this is coercion, not good news. The gospel Jesus preached is the good news about the ever present kingdom of God we enter by faith instead of sight. Paul later expanded this gospel to include Jesus' death for our sins, his burial, and resurrection from the dead. And the good news that whoever believes in Jesus has eternal life.

So it is not coercing sinners to "say uncle", but instead giving them the good news of salvation for all who believe in Jesus.

 

[Colter]

What are the real reasons people do not like "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching (messages)...?

Why does this rub people the wrong way, or bother their conscience, or strike them as "wrong" or bad, or maybe even "evil" sometimes...?

What are the "real reasons" for this...?

Comments/discussion...?

God Bless!

1) Because Hell doesn't exist. There is either life eternal or death eternal. The human body wouldn't live long in the fires of Hell. But.....people say God will resurrect the condemned in a new form in order to put them in this eternal place of torment, which makes God eternally evil, even infinitely evil!!!!


2) Hell was fabricated by the medicine men and shamans up through the priest class and todays moronic preachers simply because they have nothing but fear to compel followers. They do not know the goodness of God.

 

[Colter]

Sure, people who believe that God is going to torture them for an eternity if they don't outwardly "claim to believe in him" are going to mouth whatever creed, doctrine, theology, ritual or whatever in order to avoid the torture chamber! Like those living in a dysfunctional family who are scared of the next beating when dad comes home, sure, they will nervously claim to love him with that knot of anxiety in their gut!

"Man might fear a great God, but he trusts and loves only a good God."

 

[Yarddog]

What are the real reasons people do not like "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching (messages)...?

Why does this rub people the wrong way, or bother their conscience, or strike them as "wrong" or bad, or maybe even "evil" sometimes...?

What are the "real reasons" for this...?

Comments/discussion...?

God Bless!

I'm not saying that it is wrong but that it is Old Testament instead of New Testament. John the Baptist was a F&B type preacher but he also proclaimed a new teacher, Jesus, who would bring the Spirit.

 

[lutherangerman]

I'm a universalist and do not believe in hell after life. I think it's about hell in this life, which it can often become without Jesus and love and mercy. It was a popular belief in Jesus' time and for two centuries before his advent, but not in David's time. No mention of it at all in the psalms or in proverbs, which should provide the necessary bible check. It's a superstition and yes it's evil. How can you have a working moral compass if you think that the God of love would let people suffer FOREVER! The true biblical view is limited punishment, because also there is a limit to human sin.

 

[Chinchilla]

What are the real reasons people do not like "Hellfire and brimstone" preaching (messages)...?

Why does this rub people the wrong way, or bother their conscience, or strike them as "wrong" or bad, or maybe even "evil" sometimes...?

What are the "real reasons" for this...?

Comments/discussion...?

God Bless!

Because they don't like being hurt plus they know that they are sinners . Moreover they think that they need to do something in order to avoid that so they naturally go into fight or fly mode protecting themselfes either dismissing the preacher or walking away themselfes .

You see many bad street preachers , they see prostitute and instead of leading her to LORD they scream at her saying repent or you will burn in lake of fire and brimstone . Such people never understood the gospel themselfes and think that they are better than that prostitute so it's good to scream at her .