What are the acheivements of christian philosophy

[DisingenuousChristian]

OK, I take it as your answer, but not the answer from Hinduism. And in fact, you did not really answer the question (why 4 but not 2 or 6?).

Wrong. This IS the answer from Hinduism, by all accounts that I see. 2 classes would be too constraining and 6 would be superfluous.

Here is a good video on the topic:

A Real Brahmana Knows Brahman - YouTube

..And even, if this is not the exact answer from Hinduism, simply the fact that we do not know what is the true answer shouldn't cause us to dismiss the possibility of any answer whatsoever. We then are simply ignorant, that's all...

Based on your answer, here is the second question: Why should or must the higher class people treat the lower class people like dirt? For example, killing one of the lowest class man is not guilty, but is reasonable. And why can't the lower class people switch to the higher class by changing (or improving) the characters? Who said that a beggar can not become the king?

Since I don't believe that this is any more a part of the Hindu religion properly speaking I don't have to answer it. Scriptural injunctions do not demand it. Anymore than nowadays inquisitions are needed to destroy heretics and Jews. Politics should not be conflated with religion, even though they can be closely aligned.

I don't know much about Hinduism (I believe they have many many scriptures).

Then you should be silent, and not pretend you know that this system can't provide to you your "answers."

However these salient questions about Hinduism should have clear answers put right on the front face of the religion.

As far as I can see it's answers are as clear as any the Christian religion might give.

Just like people will ask Christian: why should your God die in order to save you? (this is, in fact, a pretty hard one)

Hard questions come from all sides, from all religions....

If you like to switch religion/philosophy to continue the argument, we can certainly do that. Or you may throw hard question about Christianity to me and see if I could give you an answer (I wish I could not).

Why should there be three persons within the one God instead of six or a thousand?

 

[juvenissun]

Wrong. This IS the answer from Hinduism, by all accounts that I see. 2 classes would be too constraining and 6 would be superfluous.

Here is a good video on the topic:


..And even, if this is not the exact answer from Hinduism, simply the fact that we do not know what is the true answer shouldn't cause us to dismiss the possibility of any answer whatsoever. We then are simply ignorant, that's all...



Since I don't believe that this is any more a part of the Hindu religion properly speaking I don't have to answer it. Scriptural injunctions do not demand it. Anymore than nowadays inquisitions are needed to destroy heretics and Jews. Politics should not be conflated with religion, even though they can be closely aligned.



Then you should be silent, and not pretend you know that this system can't provide to you your "answers."



As far as I can see it's answers are as clear as any the Christian religion might give.



Hard questions come from all sides, from all religions....



Why should there be three persons within the one God instead of six or a thousand?

OK, you are asking the justification of the Trinity. Very good. It is very special and is unique in all religions.

You know this could be a long answer. But I try to be very short. Hence it could be vague. But it is an answer and if you don't get it, you may dig into it. I will be with you. Above all, there IS an answer to the question.

The Christian God is the unique God. There is only one God.

However, because God creates man (a big question is right here), so He "needs" to be in three "Forms" (may not be the right word, it could be characters, or positions or whatever.). There is no need to be more than three. But be three is necessary. Each one of Them has a special purpose or role for human and could not be satisfied by the other Two. If human were not created, just God Himself would probably be enough.

This is why Christianity has the Trinity. People may not agree with the answer, but it is the answer, and is a very critical answer to the doctrine.

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About the Hinduism questions I asked. The critical one is, in fact, the first one. The second one is only a consequential question and I probably can answer it.

 

[DisingenuousChristian]

About the Hinduism questions I asked. The critical one is, in fact, the first one. The second one is only a consequential question and I probably can answer it.

I'm not sure here that you know what you are talking about, and so I think I'll cease speaking with you, especially since you continue to be very vague in your expositions.

 

[juvenissun]

I'm not sure here that you know what you are talking about, and so I think I'll cease speaking with you, especially since you continue to be very vague in your expositions.

Bye.

I don't think I am vague. Complicated thing could only be explained one bit at a time.

 

[DisingenuousChristian]

Bye.

I don't think I am vague.

Neither do I, but others would think differently.

I think it matters the subject matter you are discussing. Mind-body problems are by their very nature abstruse and hard to pin. But I don't see what should be the issue with different religions giving different "answers." That should not be so hard to pin-point.

 

[juvenissun]

Neither do I, but others would think differently.

I think it matters the subject matter you are discussing. Mind-body problems are by their very nature abstruse and hard to pin. But I don't see what should be the issue with different religions giving different "answers." That should not be so hard to pin-point.

Agree. The argument for this thread is not "what is it" or "why is it", but is "Is it answered"? For example: "what is Trinity"? No problem. It is a hard question, but the answer exists. But, "why 4 classes" (for Hinduism)? I am not saying that the answer does not exist, but I like to know the answer.

Another question I am still puzzled about Buddhism is: Is there a(?) god? The answer I got is that somebody said yes, and somebody said no. So, an ancient religion does not even have this simplest question answered.

 

[The Nihilist]

That's news to me. Admittedly I can't recite all of Paul's Epistles off the top of my head, but I certainly don't recall any of them describing all humans as "worthless ruined beings" or saying that we call "can't do anything right". In my memory, quite a lot of Paul's letters are filled with praise for both groups and individuals for the various good things that they've done. For instance, chapter 16 of Romans is a long list of commendations:

Are you unaware of Paul's arguments about why we need salvation and can't earn it on our own?

 

[DisingenuousChristian]

Agree. The argument for this thread is not "what is it" or "why is it", but is "Is it answered"? For example: "what is Trinity"? No problem. It is a hard question, but the answer exists. But, "why 4 classes" (for Hinduism)? I am not saying that the answer does not exist, but I like to know the answer.

Another question I am still puzzled about Buddhism is: Is there a(?) god? The answer I got is that somebody said yes, and somebody said no. So, an ancient religion does not even have this simplest question answered.

But even in Christianity not everyone gives the same answer... So I don't see the point of this discussion...

 

[juvenissun]

But even in Christianity not everyone gives the same answer... So I don't see the point of this discussion...

This feature also has an answer (reason). Multiple answers to a question is the way it should be. Don't you see Christianity is the only system which is particularly obvious in this phenomenon (denominations)? Buddhism also has similar feature (branches), but is of different nature and meaning.

 

[DisingenuousChristian]

This feature also has an answer (reason). Multiple answers to a question is the way it should be. Don't you see Christianity is the only system which is particularly obvious in this phenomenon (denominations)? Buddhism also has similar feature (branches), but is of different nature and meaning.

Sorry dude. I give up. I have no idea what this discussion was meant to convey.

 

[juvenissun]

Sorry dude. I give up. I have no idea what this discussion was meant to convey.

Fine. Take care.

My argument is: A major achievement of Christianity is that it provides answers to every possible questions about religion/philosophy, and even some answers to other disciplines, such as science.

 

[DisingenuousChristian]

Fine. Take care.

My argument is: A major achievement of Christianity is that it provides answers to every possible questions about religion/philosophy, and even some answers to other disciplines, such as science.

But see, I don't understand how any of what you say proves this is the case. That Christianity does this or that some other similar philosophy or religion doesn't do the same. Just refer to this guy: The Importance of the Study of Western Thought - The Philosophy of Life - Chapter 20. Does he answer every question which might come to mind? Well, I'm sure were he pressed he could explain things in much greater detail.

And it is certainly foolishness to think that Christianity, or any philosophy for that matter, has the answer to "every possible question." That is just an unwarranted assumption you take for granted.

But anyway, I promised a long time ago I'd be done, so now I'm done for good. Cross my fingers and hope to die, nothing more eventful can be said on this matter.

 

[juvenissun]

But see, I don't understand how any of what you say proves this is the case. That Christianity does this or that some other similar philosophy or religion doesn't do the same. Just refer to this guy: The Importance of the Study of Western Thought - The Philosophy of Life - Chapter 20. Does he answer every question which might come to mind? Well, I'm sure were he pressed he could explain things in much greater detail.

And it is certainly foolishness to think that Christianity, or any philosophy for that matter, has the answer to "every possible question." That is just an unwarranted assumption you take for granted.

But anyway, I promised a long time ago I'd be done, so now I'm done for good. Cross my fingers and hope to die, nothing more eventful can be said on this matter.

I said that because Christianity answered all of my questions. Other religion/philosophy does not. Of course, I don't think I have exhausted every possible questions. But I like to make that claim and see what challenge I can get. So far, so good.

Bless you.