That may not be obvious. Plants seem to make memories without a brain. This lady in Australia has done a couple of cool experiments:
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic...emember-this-one-seems-to-heres-the-evidence/
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That may not be obvious. Plants seem to make memories without a brain. This lady in Australia has done a couple of cool experiments:Obviously memories are stored in the brain.
You are misrepresenting what I mean.
Yes.
No, this is a subtle, but very real, mistake. If some pattern is the pattern that recognizes Halle Berry, there is no previous system that has already identified Halle Berry to 'control' the Halle Berry pattern. There is no point in activating the Halle Berry identifying system, if the 'controller' has already somehow identified Halle Berry.
For simpler systems, we do understand how cells in the vision system react to movement or lines. No control system has to tell them to see a line. The input from the retinas is all that is needed. Similarly, the input of Halle Berry's face or name ultimately leads to the activation of the Halle Berry system, and that is where the recognition happens.
Or one of us wants to believe so badly that they "see evidence" where it doesn't exist.
You still do not understand what an evidence is.
It is a fact, doesn't matter if you see it as an evidence or not.
Don't we "recall" our memory as if the memory (whatever it is) is already there? If not, then why would the image of Halle Berry always the same everytime it is "recalled"? The system MUST have an ID somewhere. If the ID is not the firing pattern, then it would be the special input signal. We do not have to see or hear to be reminded on something. We can simply "think of" it. If so, where does the input signal come from?
No. The image I posted has maybe 20-25 cells in it. Your brain has about 100 billion neurons. And the number of connections between them is much much larger. This is complicated, but I see no evidence of intelligent design.
If you're asking how the Halle Berry pattern is reactivated, it's a question of associations. When the Halle Berry pattern is formed, it isn't the only thing you're experiencing - there is a context associated with it that gives it meaning, i.e. helps 'hook' it into what we already know about the world (our other patterns relating to actors, films, famous women, etc.) - many of these existing patterns will be active when the new pattern is formed, and links will form between them, so that when the 'actors' pattern is activated, the Halle Berry pattern will be weakly activated too, and when the 'famous women', 'films', and 'actors' patterns are activated, the Halle Berry pattern will be more strongly activated, perhaps strongly enough to cross the threshold into conscious awareness....Now what mechanism ques up that sequence of electrical impulses when the guy brings to mind recognizes Halle Berry?
Right.So, if we both are to remember a phone number, then the firing neuron pattern in my brain could be very different from that in your brain. Right?
There are general control mechanisms that regulate how active certain parts of the brain are and which parts should have priority, but particular memories are triggered by association, either from outside stimuli or from ongoing internal activity.There must be a control mechanism to fire the neuron pattern, where is that mechanism be stored? We forget things. That means the controlling mechanism is lost. What is exactly lost?
Typically it would be the connections from a number of active associated patterns crossing the activation threshold for that memory pattern.What does a "signal" look like when it triggered a memory neuron pattern?
Not sure what you mean; hormones are chemicals that modulate the activity of large areas of the brain; but a single external chemical stimulus, such as a smell, can uniquely trigger a memory.Could it be "one" chemical? How do we revoke that chemical?
Different sensory perceptions are processed by different areas of the brain, but the resulting patterns can all be linked or associated into a conceptual whole. Not sure what you mean by "the same kind of 'signal'" - all sensory input arrives as patterns of neural activity, 'electrical' pulses. For example, auditory signals are literally encoded with nerve signals corresponding to the frequencies of the sounds perceived.Our brain brings up the image of Halle Berry by a signal of image, sound, word, etc. Do these different methods make the same kind of "signal"?
We have the capacity for matching these patterns at higher levels of abstraction, we can make associations based on various types of commonalities between patterns; this allows us to make similes and metaphors. Creativity arises in a similar way, where new commonalities between patterns are recognised and the newly relevant features of one pattern are applied to the other to produce a novel result.The more we remember, the more creative we would be.
Now, how would one neuron firing pattern interact with the other ones and create a new pattern which we never have before?
Not necessarily; brain size broadly reflects cognitive capacity, but in many animals large parts of the brain are specialized for particular sensory functions; in other species, such as birds, brain size is a poor guide, as they may have far smaller and more densely packed neurons, making them as cognitively capable as animals with brains many times the size. Also, creativity needs the capability for abstraction, so that structural commonalities between otherwise unrelated patterns can be recognised.Would it be true that the larger the brain, the higher the capacity of memory and the higher the ability of creation?
The trigger for activation can be external or internal or a combination of both. As essentialsaltes said, there's stuff going on in your brain all the time, whether you're consciously aware of it or not. Sometimes you can be conscious of some pattern being active, but have no control over it, e.g. an 'earworm', a song or tune that keeps repeating - I get these a lot.... We do not have to see or hear to be reminded on something. We can simply "think of" it. If so, where does the input signal come from?
Obviously memories are stored in the brain. What I was wondering is are they stored in a bit of brain tissue, chemicals, or electric impulses?
What I have picked up is that secular people understand that we have two basic sorts of memory > short-term and long-term. It is like how a computer can have actively processing information, and a computer can have stored memory. The active memory for what the computer is doing is electrical and functional. But the stored memory is in a physical state, but can be activated.my uncle struggles with vascular dementia.
I think we're talking at cross purposes. Yes the pattern (memory) is already there. But you seemed to be suggesting that some 'controller' needed to recognize Halle Berry, and then go tell the Halle Berry neuron to fire. But that's backwards. The Halle Berry neuron (or rather the pattern it is part of) IS the Halle Berry-recognizing-thing in our brain.
"We do not have to see or hear to be reminded on something. We can simply "think of" it. If so, where does the input signal come from?"
From inside. We have 100 billion neurons doing all sorts of things. Some of them are largely internal. And they send their signals around, just like the neurons that interface directly with retinas and cochleas do.
No...I don't think you understand what evidence is.
It's a fact that the brain is complex.
The fact that the brain is complex isn't evidence that it's designed.
Back to a basic question:
It takes a few neurons to fire together to make a pattern, which would construct one piece of memory. OK, how do we make all those neurons fire together to make a pattern? Yeah, it takes a signal. How does the signal do it?
It is.
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