What are JW's basic beliefs?

[eksesar]

Jesus is the Chief Agent and perfector of our faith.
The tables can be turned around and the question asked since he is an agent who does he work for?
With or without the word other the scripture basically reads the same it it points to Jesus doing the creation and other scriptures clarify this by pointing out that is was by Jehovah and through Jesus. We also have Jesus being the only begotten Son of Jehovah. These teachings have always been there but the power of the church put them to death along with those who believed them.
Agape', TB

Please answer me, you always argueing. you know that ?

John 1:3: All things came to be through Him [the Word], and without Him nothing came to be which has come to be.

Colossians 1:15-20: He [Jesus] is the Image of the Invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation, because by Him all things were created, those in the Heavens and those on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things are held together. And He is the Head of the body, the Church, who is the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may have the preeminence, For it pleased the Father that in Him all the Fullness should dwell, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on the earth or things in the Heavens, having made peace through the Blood of His Cross.


Jesus created all things for Himself. Jesus existed before all created things. The Universe is held together by Jesus.



Ephesians 3:9: and to enlighten all as to what is the administration of the mystery, which had been hidden from the ages in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ;



God the Father created ALL things through Jesus. So, if Jesus was created by God, how did God create Jesus through Jesus, and how did Jesus exist before all created things, if He Himself was a created thing?

here is my questions

God the Father created ALL things through Jesus. So, if Jesus was created by God, how did God create Jesus through Jesus, and how did Jesus exist before all created things, if He Himself was a created thing?

did God the Father need a helper ?
let me quotes from NWT

Isa 44:24 NWT
24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

After your state that Jehovah need an chief agent and perfector of our faith [I quotes from your statement], does this make Jehovah from Almighty becomes mighty ? because Jehovah need the Helper for any creations ? is that contradiction with ISA 44:24?

why don't you read Hebrew 1 then read Psalm 102 ?

 

[Imblessed]

Isa 44:24 NWT
24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?


Wait a minute here....Did God forget He had Jesus doing all that? Or maybe He really could say "who was with me?" because Jesus IS God.....

 

[True Believer]

An Architect draws up the plans before a builder does the building

 

[True Believer]

I can build a house with no help but I cherish the help I get because it is more enjoyable to share and makes things easier and I am just a man But then I am a reflection of God and so I think his feelings are similar to mine

 

[eksesar]

I can build a house with no help but I cherish the help I get because it is more enjoyable to share and makes things easier and I am just a man But then I am a reflection of God and so I think his feelings are similar to mine

What Jehovah said here [in BLUE]

Isa 44:24 NWT
24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

Did Jehovah miss something ? while Jehovah said to you "I'M DOING EVERYTHING, stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF" ? then confirmed with WHO WAS WITH ME?

remembered : Jehovah said I'm am doing EVERYTHING by MYSELF.

you believe in Word of God or Word of Watchtower ?

I just Love NWT.................LOL
[emphasis are mine]

 

[eksesar]

HEBREW 1:10
10 And: “You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands.


ANOTHER VERSE
ISAIAH 45:12
12 I myself have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I—my own hands have stretched out the heavens,

ISAIAH 44:24
24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

in ISAIAH 45:12 and ISAIAH 44:24

Here is my questions

ARE JEHOVAH NEEDS AN AGENT OR A HELPER ?
why does JEHOVAH ask the retorical question "who was with me"?

 

[Imblessed]

An Architect draws up the plans before a builder does the building

God didn't say He was making plans, He claimed that HE did the "building" ALL BY HIMSELF.

 

[LightBearer]

Isaiah 44:24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: "I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?


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If you look at the context from chapt 43 you'll see that Jehovah is proving that the idol gods of the nations are false and impotent.

So when in verse 24 of chapt 44 he asks "Who was with me?" I see him to mean who of the nations false idol gods. Which of them aided Jehovah or shared in what he alone has accomplished as The True God.

Regards,

LB

 

[Imblessed]

Isaiah 44:24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: "I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?




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If you look at the context from chapt 43 you'll see that Jehovah is proving that the idol gods of the nations are false and impotent.

So when in verse 24 of chapt 44 he asks "Who was with me?" I see him to mean who of the nations false idol gods. Which of them aided Jehovah or shared in what he alone has accomplished as The True God.

Regards,

LB

LB, you are absolutely right! I won't argue with you.

Doesn't deal with the issue that God says over and over that He ALONE made everything....

He's quite adament that HE HIMSELF DID it, not that He planned it......

ISAIAH 45:12
12 I myself have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I—my own hands have stretched out the heavens,

“I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth.

 

[LightBearer]

LB, you are absolutely right! I won't argue with you.

Doesn't deal with the issue that God says over and over that He ALONE made everything....

He's quite adament that HE HIMSELF DID it, not that He planned it......

ISAIAH 45:12
12 I myself have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I—my own hands have stretched out the heavens,

“I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth.

Because he is the architect and the creator as TB pointed out and source of the power that accomplished it he can make this statement. Much like Solomon can claim to have built the Temple. Yet I'm sure he did not build it himself and there were many hands involved.

2 Chronicles 6:18 "But will God truly dwell with mankind upon the earth? Look! Heaven, yes, the heaven of the heavens themselves, cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built?
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Clearly from scripture he was not alone in creation.

Genesis 1:26 And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image. . .

Proverbs 8:22 "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. . .

Proverbs 8:30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, . . .

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Clearly someone accompanied Jehovah in the creation and worked along side with him.

Regards,

LB

 

[True Believer]

Because he is the architect and the creator as TB pointed out and source of the power that accomplished it he can make this statement. Much like Solomon can claim to have built the Temple. Yet I'm sure he did not build it himself and there were many hands involved.

2 Chronicles 6:18 "But will God truly dwell with mankind upon the earth? Look! Heaven, yes, the heaven of the heavens themselves, cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built?


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Clearly from scripture he was not alone in creation.

Genesis 1:26 And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image. . .


Proverbs 8:22 "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. . .

Proverbs 8:30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, . . .


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Clearly someone accompanied Jehovah in the creation and worked along side with him.


Regards,

LB

My point exactly !
Much clearer than I put it. Thanks!!
Philia, TB

 

[eksesar]

My point exactly !
Much clearer than I put it. Thanks!!
Philia, TB

your statement is contradicted with the WORD OF GOD. and you are not answered my previous post

 

[trinity2359]

Im just curious but what are JW's basic beliefs? And I would perfer to hear from a JW's, because of how people on this forum like to twist around religions that are not theirs.

Having been a JW in my younger years, let me see if I can help:
JWs Believe
1. God the Father (Jehovah) created Jesus Christ as his first creation, and through Christ the world was created. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Active Force not a person.
2. Through Adams and Eve's sin, all mankind is subject to death. Christ's ransom sacrafice paid the debt of sin for all who accept Christ and follow him. Adam and Eve's sin questioned the leadership and authority of God and human history since has been answer the claim that God is the rightful ruler of creation instead of man. Soon, God's patience will tire and the war of Armegon will commence and usher in the earthly rulership of Christ (who by the way has been ruling invisibly from heaven since 1914).
3. Christ formed his Church before his ascension but apostacy crept in shortly thereafter and required a restoration.
4. The bible students, who are now known as The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, were declared to the 'faithful and discreet slave' and thus are God's respresentative on earth 'handing out spiritual food in time'. The JW's claim to be the only true organization for God's people.
5. God's purspose for the earth was as a paradise state for all humans and after the War of Armegdon, the faithful will replinish and live on the cleansed earth forever after 1,000 period in which all persons will be resurrected to hear about the Kingdom and chose to reject/accept God's headship. Those who chose not to side with God (ie, become JW) will be sentenced to Hell which is actually the grave with no conscienceness.
6. The earthly purpose of JWs is to follow Gods commandments and preach the Kingdom. A basic member is a baptized publisher who after taking several months of instruction by JWs via Watchtower publications, five hours of meeting attendance on 3 different days at Kingdom Halls (local church of about 100-200 witnesses), and beginning the door to door preaching work made a private prayerful dedication to Jehovah and then submitted to water baptism at an assembly or District convention (former, semi-annual meeting of about 15-20 congregationgs, the later annual meeting of a geographical group of several districts).
7. Publishers are encouraged to devote at least 10 hours a month to the preaching work but prefer 45 - 90 hours by Pioneers. The 'Field work' consists of door-to-door cold calls on neighborhood offering free bible studies (from a WT text) and their magazines WatchTower (used as lessons on Sundays) and Awake. Bible Studies are used to train new potential recruits.
8. Many rules of behavior are also adopted by members: no celebration of holidays or birthdays including 'religious' ones like Christmas and Easter. The only celebrations are the annual somber Last Supper and weddings. Additionally, members are forbidden to participate in politics (including voting), military service and honoring the nations flag or reciting the pledge of allegiance. No smoking or illegal drug use is permitted (but can drink in moderation) and no medicinal use of blood (ie., transfusions or donating blood). Being found in unrepentant violation of any of these can lead to disfellowshiping which is essentially being kicked out of the church and being shunned by current members.

Hopefully that gives you an idea of JWs.

Trin
(BTW - this is a copy of post made on another thread - Enjoy!)

 

[eksesar]

Because he is the architect and the creator as TB pointed out and source of the power that accomplished it he can make this statement. Much like Solomon can claim to have built the Temple. Yet I'm sure he did not build it himself and there were many hands involved.

2 Chronicles 6:18 "But will God truly dwell with mankind upon the earth? Look! Heaven, yes, the heaven of the heavens themselves, cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built?


​

Clearly from scripture he was not alone in creation.

Genesis 1:26 And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image. . .


Proverbs 8:22 "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. . .

Proverbs 8:30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, . . .


​

Clearly someone accompanied Jehovah in the creation and worked along side with him.


Regards,

LB

If Christ was created by God and was the wisdom of God (Prov 8:1-4, 12, 22-31), then before Jesus would have been created, God would have had to have been without wisdom. How is it possible that God could have ever been without wisdom? In Prov 8:2, the feminine form of the Hebrew verb “natsab” is used. This can only be translated as “SHE stands”. Similarly, in Prov 8:3, the feminine form of the Hebrew verb “ranan” is used. This can only be translated as “SHE cries”. If the NWT is the most accurate word for word translation of the Bible, why does it use the neuter pronoun “it” in these verses when the feminine pronoun “she” is called for? How could Christ be the wisdom of God in Prov 8, if the feminine form of the verbs are used? In addition, why does the NWT use the neuter pronoun “it” in Prov 8:2-3, when wisdom is called “sister” in Prov 7:4 and “she” in Prov 9:4?