What are JW's basic beliefs?

[pyro457]

Im just curious but what are JW's basic beliefs? And I would perfer to hear from a JW's, because of how people on this forum like to twist around religions that are not theirs.

 

[Ratiocination]

Im just curious but what are JW's basic beliefs? And I would perfer to hear from a JW's, because of how people on this forum like to twist around religions that are not theirs.

Our beliefs are that we should serve God the father with all our hearts, and that we should love our neighbours.
We also believe that the time when God will cleanse this earth of all wickedness is close, by close I mean withing the next few years going by whats happening in the world at the moment. I don't believe i'm going to heaven, but instead hope to remain on earth after armageddon to help restore this earth to the way that God intended it in the first place, a paradise. (I hope we can use explosives to get rid of all those ugly skyscrappers, that'll be really cool. )

 

[Ratiocination]

Are these similar to morman beliefs?

 

[Serapha]

Are these similar to morman beliefs?

Hi there!



Actually there are some similarities...


1. Both denominations follow progressive revelation.

2. Both denominations has a serious "works" program included in the salvation plan.

3. Both denominations have a strong central government that rules the organization.

4. Both denominations have a variance from mainstream Christianity concerning the Lord's Last Supper.

5. Both denominations have a strong mentoring program which is one reason for their continued growth.

6. Both denominations claim to be the "one, true Church" which excludes mainstream Christianity.

7. Both denominations are non-trinitarian.

8. Both denominations rely on further instructions outside The Holy Bible.



I am certain there are other similarities, but that's a start to answer your question.


~serapha~

 

[mawuvi]

Hi there!
8. Both denominations rely on further instructions outside The Holy Bible.

~serapha~

I find this very hard to believe of JW's. Have you any evidence to support this allegation?

 

[Serapha]

I find this very hard to believe of JW's. Have you any evidence to support this allegation?

Hi there!



Of course.... it's a part of progressive revelation.


"...people cannot see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself...if he then lays them [Scripture Studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures." The Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1910, p. 298.

Progressive revelation doesn't rely on the Bible for the complete truth, that's why it called "progressive".


~serapha~

 

[Ratiocination]

Hi there!



Of course.... it's a part of progressive revelation.


"...people cannot see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself...if he then lays them [Scripture Studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures." The Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1910, p. 298.

Progressive revelation doesn't rely on the Bible for the complete truth, that's why it called "progressive".


~serapha~

I think were still waiting for this proof serapha, this watchtower article shows that you need to be guided to understand the scriptures, and points out that reading the bible alone will not help you much. JW's don't claim "progressive revelation", we claim to be more and more knowledgable as time go's by, like any aspect of learning. So back to question; Where's the proof of your "straw man" claim?

 

[Imblessed]

I think were still waiting for this proof serapha, this watchtower article shows that you need to be guided to understand the scriptures, and points out that reading the bible alone will not help you much. JW's don't claim "progressive revelation", we claim to be more and more knowledgable as time go's by, like any aspect of learning. So back to question; Where's the proof of your "straw man" claim?

LOL!! Good luck Sarapha!! I wouldn't even go there If I were you!!!!

 

[mawuvi]

Hi there!



Of course.... it's a part of progressive revelation.


"...people cannot see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself...if he then lays them [Scripture Studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures." The Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1910, p. 298.

Progressive revelation doesn't rely on the Bible for the complete truth, that's why it called "progressive".


~serapha~

Serapha if this was a court of law you would be in trouble, Very big trouble because you have made an allegation and you can not provide the evidence to back it up. You were comparing like for like when you said, quote, "8. Both denominations rely on further instructions outside The Holy Bible." Unquote. Anyone reading your words would think the JW's have what is similar to the BOM. Now this is simply not true is it?

 

[Ratiocination]

LOL!! Good luck Sarapha!! I wouldn't even go there If I were you!!!!

I'm not sure what was meant by that, are you saying that we all suddenly know everything about the Bible when we start to read it.

 

[mawuvi]

Im just curious but what are JW's basic beliefs? And I would perfer to hear from a JW's, because of how people on this forum like to twist around religions that are not theirs.

1. From my knowledge they are the number 1 fans of God on Planet Earth. No one or any church comes to their dedication, obedience and worship of the holy one.

2. They are the number 2 defenders of God's name and his sovereignty on Planet Earth, no one or any church comes close hence the name Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus Christ according to the Bible is the First and foremost Jehovah's witness, they take second place.

3. Right or wrong they would rather die than knowingingly disobey what they perceive to be the word of the Almighty. Hence the misconception some have on their stand against blood transfusions

4. Their only source of reference is the Bible, no other book just the Bible, and they study and apply it 24/7 365/366 days every year.

6. They are the best example of Christian love Jesus said to look for to identify his true followers

7. They are Christians and the best ones around. Many may aspire to the name Christian but JW's are the embodiment of the name Christian. I put this down to why other Christians hate them because of envy

I PUT UP MY HAND TO DECLARE I AM A NUMBER 1 FAN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. From Jesus Christ the the first Jehovah witness right down to those going with the same title upholding God's sovereignty, Respect is due

 

[Ratiocination]

1. From my knowledge they are the number 1 fans of God on Planet Earth. No one or any church comes to their dedication, obedience and worship of the holy one.

2. They are the number 2 defenders of God's name and his sovereignty on Planet Earth, no one or any church comes cloth hence the name Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus Christ according to the Bible is the First and foremost Jehovah's witness, they take second place.

3. Right or wrong they would rather die than knowingingly disobey what they perceive to be the word of the Almighty. Hence the misconception some have on their stand against blood transfusions

4. Their only source of reference is the Bible, no other book just the Bible, and they study and apply it 24/7 365/366 days every year.

6. They are the best example of Christian love Jesus said to look for to identify his true followers

7. They are Christians and the best ones around. Many may aspire to the name Christian but JW's are the embodiment of the name Christian. I put this down to why other Christians hate them because of envy

I PUT UP MY HAND TO DECLARE I AM A NUMBER 1 FAN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. From Jesus Christ the the first Jehovah witness right down to those going with the same title upholding God's sovereignty, Respect is due

Thank you mawuvi, I think you could only say these things apply in general, I know I don't match up to all the things you say and i'm sure you would be hard pushed to find a JW that says he does. Thanks again mawuvi you've made my day.

 

[mawuvi]

Thank you mawuvi, I think you could only say these things apply in general, I know I don't match up to all the things you say and i'm sure you would be hard pushed to find a JW that says he does. Thanks again mawuvi you've made my day.

No problem Ratiocination, and your humility is touching. All I ask is, remember me in your prayers on the day of the last trumpet.

 

[Ratiocination]

No problem Ratiocination, and your humility is touching. All I ask is, remember me in your prayers on the day of the last trumpet.

It's sounds like you don't think you'll survive the Tribulation, why?

 

[mawuvi]

It's sounds like you don't think you'll survive the Tribulation, why?

You know the Lord says not everyone saying Lord, Lord,.... but he that perseveres to the end is the one that would be saved. Well I am persevering but just in case I am one of those that come under the Lord Lord classification.... you know what to do

 

[Imblessed]

I'm not sure what was meant by that, are you saying that we all suddenly know everything about the Bible when we start to read it.

No, of course not; I personally don't see that the Mormons and you are anything at all alike on that one. They have the BOM, which is obviously something they rely on outside the bible. You do not have anything like that but---- JW's don't claim "progressive revelation", we claim to be more and more knowledgable as time go's by,---this I see as what progressive revelation is, gaining more and more knowledge as your maturity grows, and understanding things better.

Yet, I see what you do follow, even though it's based on the bible, is just as dangerous, because you are taught that only the "annointed ones' can read and understand the bible properly. They are the ones who write the Watchtower and Awake. well used too, since there are some now who write the articles in the magazines who do not claim to be annointed. I'm not sure if views have changed on that, but you definately used to teach that only the annointed ones could actually "understand" the bible properly. I'd have to go and find proof though, if you want it.

At any rate, Sarapha's in trouble if she tries to prove that your idea of progressive revelation is the same as the Mormons......

 

[Ratiocination]

No, of course not; I personally don't see that the Mormons and you are anything at all alike on that one. They have the BOM, which is obviously something they rely on outside the bible. You do not have anything like that but---- JW's don't claim "progressive revelation", we claim to be more and more knowledgable as time go's by,---this I see as what progressive revelation is, gaining more and more knowledge as your maturity grows, and understanding things better.

Yet, I see what you do follow, even though it's based on the bible, is just as dangerous, because you are taught that only the "annointed ones' can read and understand the bible properly. They are the ones who write the Watchtower and Awake. well used too, since there are some now who write the articles in the magazines who do not claim to be annointed. I'm not sure if views have changed on that, but you definately used to teach that only the annointed ones could actually "understand" the bible properly. I'd have to go and find proof though, if you want it.

At any rate, Sarapha's in trouble if she tries to prove that your idea of progressive revelation is the same as the Mormons......

That the point, we don't claim "progressive revelation" because that would mean teaching additional things that are outside the scope of the scriptures, we teach that God allows us to understand the Bible better as time goes by, like teaching children in a classroom, knowledge come with the passing of time, no revelations or visions or secret meetings with God. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit will teach us, and thats exactly what it's doing. (at least we believe so) Not revelations, just normal human learning.

 

[eksesar]

I'm not sure what was meant by that, are you saying that we all suddenly know everything about the Bible when we start to read it.

do you??? at least we hear directly from the word of God rather than need Watchtower to interpreting it? come on try to open-mind and see inside your Society/organization.

Watchtower change several passage in the bible that would be makes other passages does square with the change that Watchtower makes all about.

That's why Watchtower should inserted the word [other] four times in the Colosians 1 to fit their belief. even though it does not appear in the original Greek? See Gr-Engl Interlinear. How would this verse read if the word “[other]” had not been added? What does the word “all” mean to you? do you know about added word in the bible in Revelation 22:18-19.

John 1:3: All things came to be through Him [the Word], and without Him nothing came to be which has come to be.

Colossians 1:15-20: He [Jesus] is the Image of the Invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation, because by Him all things were created, those in the Heavens and those on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things are held together. And He is the Head of the body, the Church, who is the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may have the preeminence, For it pleased the Father that in Him all the Fullness should dwell, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on the earth or things in the Heavens, having made peace through the Blood of His Cross.


Jesus created all things for Himself. Jesus existed before all created things. The Universe is held together by Jesus.



Ephesians 3:9: and to enlighten all as to what is the administration of the mystery, which had been hidden from the ages in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ;



God the Father created ALL things through Jesus. So, if Jesus was created by God, how did God create Jesus through Jesus, and how did Jesus exist before all created things, if He Himself was a created thing?

so .....did Jesus a MASTER CREATOR ? LOL. or as an agent ? as Watchtower said in the INSIGHT SCRIPTURES book 2, sorry I can't remembered the page in that book.

 

[True Believer]

Jesus is the Chief Agent and perfector of our faith.
The tables can be turned around and the question asked since he is an agent who does he work for?
With or without the word other the scripture basically reads the same it it points to Jesus doing the creation and other scriptures clarify this by pointing out that is was by Jehovah and through Jesus. We also have Jesus being the only begotten Son of Jehovah. These teachings have always been there but the power of the church put them to death along with those who believed them.
Agape', TB

 

[True Believer]

sorry double post
Agape', TB