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Hello. I'm about to ask stupid question #9345. :confused:

What are Calvinists? Are they the same as Church of Scotland (Presbyterians)? What are their basic beliefs? What is the tulip thing about? I tried to listen to Hank Hannegraf about it, but I still don't understand. Thanks in advance.

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Hello,

What are Calvinists?

People who follow Calvinist theology.

Are they the same as Church of Scotland (Presbyterians)? What are their basic beliefs? What is the tulip thing about? I tried to listen to Hank Hannegraf about it, but I still don't understand. Thanks in advance.

Presbyterians are a Calvinist denomonation, but not the only Calvinists.

Some of our basic beliefs have been made into the acronym TULIP.

Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)

These five categories do not comprise Calvinism in totality. They simply represent some of its main points.

Total Depravity:
Sin has affected all parts of man. The heart, emotions, will, mind, and body are all affected by sin. We are completely sinful. We are not as sinful as we could be, but we are completely affected by sin.
The doctrine of Total Depravity is derived from scriptures that reveal human character: Man’s heart is evil (Mark 7:21-23) and sick (Jer. 17:9). Man is a slave of sin (Rom. 6:20). He does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12). He cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14). He is at enmity with God (Eph. 2:15). And, is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3). The Calvinist asks the question, "In light of the scriptures that declare man’s true nature as being utterly lost and incapable, how is it possible for anyone to choose or desire God?" The answer is, "He cannot. Therefore God must predestine."
Calvinism also maintains that because of our s fallen nature we are born again not by our own will but God’s will (John 1:12-13); God grants that we believe (Phil. 1:29); faith is the work of God (John 6:28-29); God appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48); and God predestines (Eph. 1:1-11; Rom. 8:29; 9:9-23).

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will (Eph. 1:4-8; Rom. 9:11) without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not (Rom. 9:15, 21).

Limited Atonement:
Jesus died only for the elect. Though Jesus’ sacrifice was sufficient for all, it was not efficacious for all. Jesus only bore the sins of the elect. Support for this position is drawn from such scriptures as Matt. 26:28 where Jesus died for ‘many'; John 10:11, 15 which say that Jesus died for the sheep (not the goats, per Matt. 25:32-33); John 17:9 where Jesus in prayer interceded for the ones given Him, not those of the entire world; Acts 20:28 and Eph. 5:25-27 which state that the Church was purchased by Christ, not all people; and Isaiah 53:12 which is a prophecy of Jesus’ crucifixion where he would bore the sins of many (not all).

Irresistible Grace:
When God calls his elect into salvation, they cannot resist. God offers to all people the gospel message. This is called the external call. But to the elect, God extends an internal call and it cannot be resisted. This call is by the Holy Spirit who works in the hearts and minds of the elect to bring them to repentance and regeneration whereby they willingly and freely come to God. Some of the verses used in support of this teaching are Romans 9:16 where it says that "it is not of him who wills nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy"; Philippians 2:12-13 where God is said to be the one working salvation in the individual; John 6:28-29 where faith is declared to be the work of God; Acts 13:48 where God appoints people to believe; and John 1:12-13 where being born again is not by man’s will, but by God’s.

Perseverance of the Saints:
You cannot lose your salvation. Because the Father has elected, the Son has redeemed, and the Holy Spirit has applied salvation, those thus saved are eternally secure. They are eternally secure in Christ. Some of the verses for this position are John 10:27-28 where Jesus said His sheep will never perish; John 6:47 where salvation is described as everlasting life; Romans 8:1 where it is said we have passed out of judgment; 1 Corinthians 10:13 where God promises to never let us be tempted beyond what we can handle; and Phil. 1:6 where God is the one being faithful to perfect us until the day of Jesus’ return.

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Bulldog, you beat me to it.

For those interested in more detail, I recommend you do a Google search for the Canons of Dort. These were a result of a meeting of all the Reformed Church leaders in Dort (not the Dutch spelling), The Netherlands, in the early 1600's. This meeting was to come up with an answer to the Arminian heresy, which was Pelagianism warmed over.

The Canons of Dort, the Belgic Confession, and the Heidelberg Catechism are the basic statements of the reformed faith.
The Church of Scotland was originally based on the Scottish Confession. Most modern Presbyterians use the Westminister Confession.
 
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Foundthelight said:
Bulldog, you beat me to it.

For those interested in more detail, I recommend you do a Google search for the Canons of Dort. These were a result of a meeting of all the Reformed Church leaders in Dort (not the Dutch spelling), The Netherlands, in the early 1600's. This meeting was to come up with an answer to the Arminian heresy, which was Pelagianism warmed over.

Thank God for the Canons of Dordt! :clap:

The Canons of Dort, the Belgic Confession, and the Heidelberg Catechism are the basic statements of the reformed faith.
The Church of Scotland was originally based on the Scottish Confession. Most modern Presbyterians use the Westminister Confession.

Here is the Westminster Confession of Faith: www.pcanet.org/general/cof_contents.htm
 
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Calvinists are evil, decietful people who want to horde Christianity for their own and declare themselves "chosen of God" and therefore better than everyone else. We don't care about preaching the Gospel because we're all God's puppets anyway.


Or so some would have you believe........ :)

In reality Calvinists are Christians who hold to the idea that our salvation begins with God and God alone. The details of this theology have already been posted so I see no need to rehash them.

Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answer Man) is a good man of God. He simply disagrees with Reformed Theology. He's a good resource for other topics and God has blessed his ministry.
 
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Knight said:
Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answer Man) is a good man of God. He simply disagrees with Reformed Theology. He's a good resource for other topics and God has blessed his ministry.

I didn't mean to offend anyone that likes him. I have mixed feelings about him. I listen to him frequently, and he seems like a nice, sincere Christian. He can be quite helpful and has a good grasp on a lot of issues. However...there has been no small amount of controversy about the way in which he assumed his position after Walter Martin died. There have been accusations of dishonesty and underhanded dealings from several quarters, and some of these people and the charges they have brought against him also seem fairly credible. Without launching a full investigation of my own, which I hardly have time for, I really don't know who or what to believe. That aside, when Hanegraaff speaks on matters soteriological, he is not very good. You say he disagrees with Reformed theology, but I can't even say that because from what I've heard, he doesn't even understand it. That, or he's intentionally misrepresents it, which I'd also hate to believe.
 
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WayneThe5th said:
I didn't mean to offend anyone that likes him. I have mixed feelings about him. I listen to him frequently, and he seems like a nice, sincere Christian. He can be quite helpful and has a good grasp on a lot of issues. However...there has been no small amount of controversy about the way in which he assumed his position after Walter Martin died. There have been accusations of dishonesty and underhanded dealings from several quarters, and some of these people and the charges they have brought against him also seem fairly credible. Without launching a full investigation of my own, which I hardly have time for, I really don't know who or what to believe. That aside, when Hanegraaff speaks on matters soteriological, he is not very good. You say he disagrees with Reformed theology, but I can't even say that because from what I've heard, he doesn't even understand it. That, or he's intentionally misrepresents it, which I'd also hate to believe.
I was not aware of any of this. Interesting.

Don't misunderstand. I was not offended by your comment. I don't really listen to him all that much. (Wierd time slots on local radio) I have heard that he disagrees with Reformed theology though your statement that he dosen't understand it is probably likely.
 
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Epiphany said:
What are Calvinists?

They are Christians who adhere to John Calvin's teachings on the Bible.

Are they the same as Church of Scotland (Presbyterians)?

The Church of Scotland is the result of the teachings of another notable reformer, John Knox, who spent some time with Calvin in Geneva and then later returned to his home country of Scotland to spread the truth that he had learned from Calvin.

As for Presbyterians, some adhere to the teachings of the othodox reformers like John Calvin, some are much more liberal in their views.

What are their basic beliefs?

LOL! Well, the Bible is a large body of work. I'm not sure if one can summarize the teachings of the reformation but if you're looking for something that will explain the teachings of Calvin in its fullest sense the obvious choice is his Institutes of Christian Religion.

What is the tulip thing about?

They were five points of doctrine that were used to refute the professions of the Remonstrants, who were the students of Jacob Arminius.

If you'd like a more detailed explanation let me know and I'll give you some links or try to explain it in my own words.

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Bulldog said:
Thank God for the Canons of Dordt! :clap:



Here is the Westminster Confession of Faith: www.pcanet.org/general/cof_contents.htm
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Thanks for the Westminster Confession Link, Bulldog. I have bookmarked it and will read it all soon. I'm curious about Calvinists because I was invited to visit a Presbyterian church a while ago. I'm not too clear about their beliefs. I assume it is very different from Eastern Orthodoxy, lol. ;)

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Reformationist said:
They are Christians who adhere to John Calvin's teachings on the Bible.



The Church of Scotland is the result of the teachings of another notable reformer, John Knox, who spent some time with Calvin in Geneva and then later returned to his home country of Scotland to spread the truth that he had learned from Calvin.

As for Presbyterians, some adhere to the teachings of the othodox reformers like John Calvin, some are much more liberal in their views.



LOL! Well, the Bible is a large body of work. I'm not sure if one can summarize the teachings of the reformation but if you're looking for something that will explain the teachings of Calvin in its fullest sense the obvious choice is his Institutes of Christian Religion.



They were five points of doctrine that were used to refute the professions of the Remonstrants, who were the students of Jacob Arminius.

If you'd like a more detailed explanation let me know and I'll give you some links or try to explain it in my own words.

God bless
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Yes, I would like the links and read your own words. Also I just realized that CF has a search function on this board. I will try a search on the words Calvin and Calvinist and see what pops up. Thanks for answering my post. :)

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Knight said:
Calvinists are evil, decietful people who want to horde Christianity for their own and declare themselves "chosen of God" and therefore better than everyone else. We don't care about preaching the Gospel because we're all God's puppets anyway.

People sometimes actually say something like this to me.
 
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Epiphany said:
Yes, I would like the links and read your own words. Also I just realized that CF has a search function on this board. I will try a search on the words Calvin and Calvinist and see what pops up

Epiphany,

Be sure to study his life as well as his doctrine. I was Presbyterian Church in America for six years and never knew all this. BTW there were some wonderful Christians there and some really sanctimonious, judging people as well- just like all demoninations.

http://www.geocities.com/biblestudying/johncalvin.html

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premilldispensationalist said:
Those who adhere to TULIP.

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Well, we adhere to a whooooooole lot more than TULIP but you're right, we do adhere to TULIP. :)

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Epiphany said:
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Thanks for the Westminster Confession Link, Bulldog. I have bookmarked it and will read it all soon. I'm curious about Calvinists because I was invited to visit a Presbyterian church a while ago. I'm not too clear about their beliefs. I assume it is very different from Eastern Orthodoxy, lol. ;)

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Be aware that not all Prebyterians follow the Westminster Confession anymore. Alot of them are not Calvinist at all.

Your flag icon says you are in the Netherlands. At one time to be Dutch was to be a Calvinist, basically anyway.

From my understanding most of the Reformed Church in the Netherlands has gone stray from the original doctrine and practice.

Anyway I think this Churches still hold fast to the historic faith:

Nederlands Gereformeerde Kerken http://www.ngk.nl/

Christelijke Gereformeerde Kerken in Nederland http://users.erols.com/mfaber/cgkinfen.htm#Lit

Vrije Gereformeerde Rehobothkerk te Twijzel
http://members.tripod.com/~MartenK/

You may be able to visit one of these congregations. But I think it would be good to judge whether they are actually Reformed from if they teach the same doctrines found in the Westminster.

Hope that helps.
 
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LynneClomina said:
and if we DONT adhere to TULIP (or at least most of it) we ARENT calvinists!!!

Well, I believe that if one doesn't adhere to ALL 5 points expressed in the TULIP they cannot rightly call themselves by the title of Calvinist, since Calvin, while not being the author of that particular acrostic, definitely espoused all of its points. I often hear people claim to be "4 point Calvinists" or "3 point Calvinists" and it strikes me as odd. Bottom line,if you don't support all 5 points of the TULIP acrostic then you're not a Calvinist. You may be reformed but you're not a Calvinist.

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Reformationist said:
Well, I believe that if one doesn't adhere to ALL 5 points expressed in the TULIP they cannot rightly call themselves by the title of Calvinist, since Calvin, while not being the author of that particular acrostic, definitely espoused all of its points. I often hear people claim to be "4 point Calvinists" or "3 point Calvinists" and it strikes me as odd. Bottom line,if you don't support all 5 points of the TULIP acrostic then you're not a Calvinist. You may be reformed but you're not a Calvinist.

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Is it just me or do people almost always get stuck on the "L"? Almost everyone I've talked to on this subject gets hung up on this.
 
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