what am i poltically?

[rembrot]

I am liberal biut I likee the idea of government controling everything like socialising health care
But I am against punishment and incarceration

So am I like in the middle of spectrum?

My activist friends I don't get them, they hate reps and dems! Saying nwo is bad
I like the idea of one world govvernment, more peace and world will improve as a whole

 

[SimonNova]

sounds like Libertarian Socialist to me.

how do you feel about things like taxation, welfare, housing, equality etc..?

sounds a little similar to the UK Labour party of the 1980's

 

[rembrot]

Idk tbh, I like welfare cuz it helps people who need it
As far as taxes, obviosly we all want lowest possible taxes, but don't mind givng a etra few dollars if it helps someone who needs it

 

[SimonNova]

how do you feel about high taxation on the rich and

what percentage of income tax do you think they should pay?

how about minimum wage and unions?

and of course, if we all have low taxes, how will the govt. get its revenue?

 

[Gracchus]

Studies have shown that every dollar that the government spends on "welfare" returns more than a dollar in taxes. If your food stamp dollar gets spent on food, then the food retailer hires clerks who then pay taxes, and the food market buys from a wholesaler who hires truckers, who then pay taxes, and the wholesaler has to buy from farmers who pay taxes. Just so in other industries!

Where does the money come from? It is the wealth that is produced, not by the investment of capital, which is after all the wealth of a few that is being withdrawn from the economy, but the wealth produced by labor which is largely spent, and thus goes back into the economy.

Come on folks, investing in risky mortgages, or fine art, or precious metals, does not produce wealth. It stops the economy, or at least cripples it. The wealthy are so intent on increasing their personal wealth that they stupidly overlook the fact that it is labor that generates the wealth of the economy. Even Henry Ford understood that it was in his best interest to pay his workers enough that they could afford his product. If you move your jobs off-shore so that you don't have to pay your workers enough to buy your product, then neither the workers you have laid off nor the ones offshore can afford your product.

And of course, unfettered capitalism is not sustainable in the long run, and leads inevitably to monopoly, and plutocracy.

As to what the original poster should be labeled: Why is a label needed? Labels, if taken too seriously, stop thought.

 

[SimonNova]

that's true for sure.

where I live, a developing country, there are only 2 classes.

5% have everything, 95% subsistence wages.

thus there's very little in the way of trade as there are too few customers.

so you can see businesses closing down all the time as very few people can actually afford to buy anything other than the basics.


A Capitalist dictatorship.

 

[Obscure]

A Capitalist dictatorship.

I would be delighted to know which country you live in.

 

[SimonNova]

Cambodia.

 

[Obscure]

In addition to political oppression, the Cambodian government has been accused of corruption in the sale of vast areas of land to foreign investors resulting in the eviction of thousands of villagers as well as taking bribes in exchange for grants to exploit Cambodia's oil wealth and mineral resources. Cambodia is consistently listed as one of the most corrupt governments in the world

Besides that, I didn't know Cambodia is such a capital-rich country.

 

[SimonNova]

they get $1 billion per year aid, and it is estimated that up to 80% of this 'disappears'.

That's a lot of money - population around 13 million.

this massive funding began way back in 1993.

so we have the strange anomaly of Cambodia being one of the most corrupt nations on the Earth, and also the one that receives probably the highest amount of aid - that tells its own story IMO.

So why does the West want to continue this corrupt sham?

 

[SimonNova]

and when you say 'besides that' , does there really even need to be anther source of capital?

of course there is to an extent, ie: agricultural produce, garment factories and a growing tourist sector.

so, yes, there seems to be plenty of money around here these days, yet it's in the hands of the few.

 

[variant]

So why does the West want to continue this corrupt sham?

It is generally believed that the aid is the only way of influenceing the country.

Probably incorrectly.

and when you say 'besides that' , does there really even need to be anther source of capital?

of course there is to an extent, ie: agricultural produce, garment factories and a growing tourist sector.

so, yes, there seems to be plenty of money around here these days, yet it's in the hands of the few.

Without forighn aid the dominate source of capitol would be the drug trade.

 

[MorkandMindy]

that's true for sure.

where I live, a developing country, there are only 2 classes.

5% have everything, 95% subsistence wages.

thus there's very little in the way of trade as there are too few customers.

so you can see businesses closing down all the time as very few people can actually afford to buy anything other than the basics.


A Capitalist dictatorship.

I would be delighted to know which country you live in.

Cambodia.

Cambodia?

England.

Ever growing house price bubble is giving money to landlords, all the big property owners. Most people lose around 40% on income on rent or mortgage, that's after 30% on tax, so that leaves, subsistence really.

 

[Obscure]

Ever growing house price bubble is giving money to landlords, all the big property owners. Most people lose around 40% on income on rent or mortgage, that's after 30% on tax, so that leaves, subsistence really.

+1

 

[SimonNova]

I guess there are some similarities for sure, but out here there isn't really a middle class.

So that tends to make it hard for people to start small businesses.

Plenty of top of the range cars around though, a bit like being in Cheshire or Chelsea!

 

[diychristian]

I am liberal biut I likee the idea of government controling everything like socialising health care
But I am against punishment and incarceration

So am I like in the middle of spectrum?

My activist friends I don't get them, they hate reps and dems! Saying nwo is bad
I like the idea of one world govvernment, more peace and world will improve as a whole

So what do you want to do with all the criminals if you don't want to punish them? Let them run in the streets? How does that fit in your utopian view? If there were no poverty and everyone's basic needs were provided for there would still be crime. People would always want more, they would still hate, they would still lie. You can't escape the human element, that's why communism doesn't work.

 

[diychristian]

Idk tbh, I like welfare cuz it helps people who need it
As far as taxes, obviosly we all want lowest possible taxes, but don't mind givng a etra few dollars if it helps someone who needs it

I think if you had money to give away towards taxes you could probably instead have given it to someone in need directly and saved that person a day of standing in a soup line or even a couple weeks and some paper work for their government check. That way they get help faster and make a new friend.

Take a $100 and give it to someone you choose that's in dire straights and witness an immediate change in that person's life or you could give $100 to the government they'll take out some administration cost, some of it might go towards a larger helping of potatos to a rapist in prison, buy a couple bullets to be fired in a war you don't agree with, some money will be just wasted so a department can spend all their budget for the year, some funds maybe given to tune up the ol' shop vac at the abortion clinic, maybe a few cents will go towards wining and dining at the white house (or other government facilities), but i'm sure some will go to the some poor man or woman you don't know (let's hope they're a nice person and not some drug dealer or pimp)

 

[Gracchus]

So what do you want to do with all the criminals if you don't want to punish them? Let them run in the streets?

The way to deal with criminals is not to punish them. The way to deal with criminals is to exact restitution (Insofar as that is possible!) and to prevent re-offense. This can be done by imprisonment, or by other means suited to the individual case.

How does that fit in your utopian view?

"u·to·pi·a (y-tp-) n.
1. a. often Utopia An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects.
b. A work of fiction describing a utopia.
2. An impractical, idealistic scheme for social and political reform.

[New Latin topia, imaginary island in Utopia by Sir Thomas More : Greek ou, not, no; see aiw- in Indo-European roots + Greek topos, place.] "
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There may not be an idally perfect place, but we can certainly make a better place. Presumably, God could too, but he hasn't. So, as usual, it is up to us.

If there were no poverty and everyone's basic needs were provided for there would still be crime. People would always want more, they would still hate, they would still lie. You can't escape the human element, that's why communism doesn't work.

It is also why Christianity hasn't brought about the Kingdom of God: Christians always prefer to be forgiven over not offending in the first place.

 

[diychristian]

The way to deal with criminals is not to punish them. The way to deal with criminals is to exact restitution (Insofar as that is possible!) and to prevent re-offense. This can be done by imprisonment, or by other means suited to the individual case.

so are you talking eye for an eye, molestation for molestation, life for life, etc.? Imprisonment. Isn't that punishment?

"u·to·pi·a (y-tp-) n.
1. a. often Utopia An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects.
b. A work of fiction describing a utopia.
2. An impractical, idealistic scheme for social and political reform.

[New Latin topia, imaginary island in Utopia by Sir Thomas More : Greek ou, not, no; see aiw- in Indo-European roots + Greek topos, place.] "
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

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It is also why Christianity hasn't brought about the Kingdom of God: Christians always prefer to be forgiven over not offending in the first place.

Must have your religions mixed up we're not trying to reveal the last imam and bring about the Kingdom of God. We are just trying to prepare for the coming of Christ. You know all Christians??? Before a request for forgiveness one must love the one they have transgressed and be remorseful for their actions. They also must humble themselves to ask for forgiveness. Christians= loving+ remorseful for their misdeeds+ humility. Sounds like a good bunch of folks.

 

[Ken-1122]

Studies have shown that every dollar that the government spends on "welfare" returns more than a dollar in taxes.

Where did you get these "studies"? That doesn't make sense. If that were true, the government would be investing more in the welfare system. Better yet, the government would be spending billions on American products so they can hire more people and pay more taxes.

Ken