What about Reve 20 verses 1 thru 3?

[LittleLambofJesus]

This particular passage in Revelation appears to be the most controversial passage in all of Revelation.
This passage occurs after the war of Armegeddon if finished and before the Gog-Magog war.
Any thoughts on this? Thanks

Revelation 20:
1 And I perceived a Messenger descending out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss
and having a great chain upon the hand of him.

2 And he seizes the Dragon, the Serpent, the Ancient-one, who is being a Devil and the Satan

And he binds him a thousand years.

3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him,

that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished/telesqh <5055> (5686) the thousand years.

After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little time.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I never thought it was controversial.
Why do you think so ?

 

[Valetic]

Not really sure what you are searching for, but I was always taught that the devil is bound up a thousand years and released as a final test to prove whether he can change from his wicked ways. And he can't according to scripture, so he is to forever remain in the lake of fire.

 

[Valetic]

Did you read verses 7-10?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I never thought it was controversial.
Why do you think so ?

Have you ever checked out the Eschatology board?
Can you give us your view on it?

Not really sure what you are searching for, but I was always taught that the devil is bound up a thousand years and released as a final test to prove whether he can change from his wicked ways. And he can't according to scripture, so he is to forever remain in the lake of fire.

What do you think of Revelation 6:11?

Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little<3398> time<5550>
until their fellow servants also and their brethren, the ones about to be being killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:
3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him,
that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished/telesqh <5055> (5686) the thousand years.
After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little<3398> time<5550>.

5550. chronos khron'-os of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from 2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion;
Strong's Number G5550 matches the Greek χρόνος (chronos), which occurs 53 times in 53 verses

 

[Valetic]

I'm sorry I'm not following you here. It appears to me they are instructed to wait for the others like them on earth to be killed and join them on the alter of souls there.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Can you give us your view on it?

What do you think of Revelation 6:11?

Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little<3398> time<5550>
until their fellow servants also and their brethren, the ones about to be being killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:
3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him,
that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished/telesqh <5055> (5686) the thousand years.
After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little<3398> time<5550>.

5550. chronos khron'-os of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from 2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion;
Strong's Number G5550 matches the Greek χρόνος (chronos), which occurs 53 times in 53 verses

Why stir up controversy when there is none ?
Why provoke unbelievers to mock or attack believers UN-necessarily ?
Among Ekklesia we have continual peace and joy granted in Jesus by our Father in heaven.
ENJOY HIS REST while you can, and live IN UNION with JESUS as He Says.

 

[Dave L]

This particular passage in Revelation appears to be the most controversial passage in all of Revelation.
This passage occurs after the war of Armegeddon if finished and before the Gog-Magog war.
Any thoughts on this? Thanks

Revelation 20:
1 And I perceived a Messenger descending out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss
and having a great chain upon the hand of him.

2 And he seizes the Dragon, the Serpent, the Ancient-one, who is being a Devil and the Satan

And he binds him a thousand years.

3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him,

that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished/telesqh <5055> (5686) the thousand years.

After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little time.

The angel = Greek for messenger

the chain = the message (gospel)

the 1000 years = a large block of time precisely determined by God

Satan loosed = the message falls on deaf ears (Post Christian era) and the world assails the Church from all quarters.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why stir up controversy when there is none ?
Why provoke unbelievers to mock or attack believers UN-necessarily ?
Among Ekklesia we have continual peace and joy granted in Jesus by our Father in heaven.
ENJOY HIS REST while you can, and live IN UNION with JESUS as He Says.

If you do not want to share your view on the topic at hand, then please do not derail my thread.
Thank you....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If you do not want to share your view on the topic at hand, then please do not derail my thread.
Thank you....

You asked

This particular passage in Revelation appears to be the most controversial passage in all of Revelation.
This passage occurs after the war of Armegeddon if finished and before the Gog-Magog war.
Any thoughts on this? Thanks

and I answered according to Yahweh's Word.

Why do you think it would be controversial at all ? If it's not controversial, as I said, why make it so ?

Like claiming "Jesus is Lord" is controversial - the world hates Him and His children, but for Ekklesia
it is perfectly and wonderfully GOOD NEWS ! - not controversial at all !

So again, why try to make Revelation controversial ? What's the hope or what is there to gain by that ?

 

[~Anastasia~]

Of all the books in Scripture, Revelation is the one that must be handled most carefully as to interpretation. This was part of the reason for its later acceptance, and the reason it was not taught/read in the same way the Gospels, Epistles, and many OT books were within the early Church.

It is all truth. It may not necessarily all be literal, or a representation of exact chronological time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You asked

and I answered according to Yahweh's Word.

Why do you think it would be controversial at all ? If it's not controversial, as I said, why make it so ?

Like claiming "Jesus is Lord" is controversial - the world hates Him and His children, but for Ekklesia
it is perfectly and wonderfully GOOD NEWS ! - not controversial at all !

So again, why try to make Revelation controversial ? What's the hope or what is there to gain by that ?

If you continue to derail my thread, I will have to either report you or put you on ignore.

 

[Valetic]

Do you mind spelling it out for me so I can look into it for myself, and maybe give you a more educated response to the OP? I sure would appreciate it

Because I really don't know what you are looking for or what possible controversies people come up with with the verses you are showing us..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you mind spelling it out for me so I can look into it for myself, and maybe give you a more educated response to the OP? I sure would appreciate it

Because I really don't know what you are looking for or what possible controversies people come up with with the verses you are showing us..

How about these threads for starters:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...000-year-reign-rapture.8061649/#post-72603221

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-kingdom-on-this-earth.8051057/#post-72363271

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...and-2-already-occurred.8031664/#post-71870342

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-1000-year-reign-of-christ-article.7873363/#post-67270140

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-after-1000-year-reign.7897189/#post-68283522

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-earth-for-1-000-years.7833252/#post-66020496

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Of all the books in Scripture, Revelation is the one that must be handled most carefully as to interpretation.
This was part of the reason for its later acceptance, and the reason it was not taught/read in the same way the Gospels, Epistles, and many OT books were within the early Church.
It is all truth. It may not necessarily all be literal, or a representation of exact chronological time.

I totally agree and thank you for that response.
I know that Amills believe they are in the 1000 yr period now while others believe it is still future.
Why not try to delve into it and perhaps take some of the "mystery" out of it?

I posted this on another thread.

Sounds like a winner to me.
How many Church Denominations are of the Amill view?

That 1000 yr period in Revelation 20 throws a proverbial "monkey wrench" into Revelation...........

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Valetic]

Oh I think I see where you're getting at now. I'm a dispensationalist.

 

[Valetic]

Yes I agree with the above post. Revelations must be interpreted very very carefully.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The way this verse appears, the Dragon is bound for a 1000 yrs before it is thrown in and locked into the abyss?

Reve 20:2
the Dragon, the Serpent, the Ancient-one, who is being a Devil and the Satan

And he binds<1210> him a thousand years.

Could that symbolic period of time possibly be during the time Christ was preaching the Gospel?

That exact form of the greek word #1210 used in Reve 20:2 is used in only 4 verses of the NT:
Matthew 14:13, Mark 6:17, Luke 13:16 and Rev 20:2

I decided to show this verse:

Luke 13:16
"And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound<1210> for eighteen long years,
should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

The angel = Greek for messenger
the chain = the message (gospel)
the 1000 years = a large block of time precisely determined by God
Satan loosed = the message falls on deaf ears (Post Christian era) and the world assails the Church from all quarters.

Very interesting.
Thanks for posting that.