What About Progressive Sanctification?

[JAL]

and you are not God,

next...................

Exactly. You just ignore the contradictions. Have fun at the judgment seat having to confess that you CHOSE to believe foolishness. Nobody forced you to do so.

 

[JAL]

This is just a bunch of irrelevant and random thoughts that have nothing to do with the Attributes of God.

It's a clear illustration that the words, "You never change" do NOT necessarily connote immutability.

 

[RickReads]

It doesn't matter. Your words are of no substance, because the point of my statement was clear enough. I don't need to be a Bob Seger expert for that - and by the way, Mr. Bob Seger expert, I don't think you're even spelling his name correctly, nor am I sure why you think I misquoted him.

LOL! I haven`t listened to Him for many years but I still know that Still the Same and the Gambler are two different songs. As I think back the Gambler was a Kenny Rogers not even a Bob Seger. You couldn`t be more wrong.

 

[RickReads]

Then be done with me! You've blatantly ignored all the charges of contradiction! Why should I have any particularly compelling desire to continue a discussion with you?

Feel free to exit my thread at any time.

 

[JAL]

LOL! I haven`t listened to Him for many years but I still know that Still the Same and the Gambler are two different songs.

Um..er...where did I say the name of the song was The Gambler?

 

[JAL]

You obviously don't have your Bob Seger songs straight. You can't even spell his name correctly, and you didn't even know that "Still the Same" was a song about a gambler. Shame on you!

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Exactly. You just ignore the contradictions. Have fun at the judgment seat having to confess that you CHOSE to believe foolishness. Nobody forced you to do so.

I will not be judged, next...............

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

 

[JAL]

I will not be judged, next...............

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

Irrelevant. I wasn't saying you'd be CONDEMNED. But you WILL confess.

 

[RickReads]

It doesn't matter. Your words are of no substance, because the point of my statement was clear enough. I don't need to be a Bob Seger expert for that - and by the way, Mr. Bob Seger expert, I don't think you're even spelling his name correctly, nor am I sure why you think I misquoted him.

FYI, actually, I did spell his name correctly. You`re wrong again.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Irrelevant. I wasn't saying you'd be CONDEMNED. But you WILL confess.

confess what ?

got scripture

 

[JAL]

FYI, actually, I did spell his name correctly. You`re wrong again.

After I corrected you. Wow I'm impressed.

 

[JAL]

confess what ?

got scripture

You will give an account for everything you said and did:

"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

You will give an account for everything you said and did:

"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

yes you sure will I agree !

 

[JAL]

yes you sure will I agree !

You wanted Scripture - I gave it to you.

 

[RickReads]

After I corrected you. Wow I'm impressed.

You avoided my post, makes you seem more of a game player than a theologian. Don`t expect me to waste much time on you again.

 

[JAL]

You avoided my post, makes you seem more of a game player than a theologian. Don`t expect me to waste much time on you again.

Said the guy who hasn't resolved any of the alleged contradictions.

What post did I avoid? (Asked the guy who doesn't HAVE any contradictions in his theology).

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

You wanted Scripture - I gave it to you.

And what is the context of Matthew 12:36 ?

Try asking the who, what, where, when and why questions for the answer.

 

[JAL]

And what is the context of Matthew 12:36 ?

It's a statement made about every human being:

"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned"

I'm beginning to wonder whether you consider yourself one of those.

 

[JAL]

And what is the context of Matthew 12:36 ?

Try asking the who, what, where, when and why questions for the answer.

Who? Everyone. Thought we were clear on that point.

 

[JAL]

The 2 natures in Christ answer those objections just fine jal.

Right. Otherwise known as hypostatic union. The same doctrine that even professional theologians claim to be humanly incomprehensible. I generally don't critique it because the moderators tend to shut down the thread.

But this thread is waxing old, not many people are participating, so I will raise ONE challenge about it (and believe me, I have more than one).

Consider the claim of 2 natures. The claim is:
(1) The Son of God is immutably omniscient in his divine nature.
(2) At the same time He was a regular, ignorant homo sapien on earth (in His human nature).

Let's now consider what that claim amounts to. Here is a parallel:
(1) Do you know my friend Mike? He is mathematical genius. He knows all math!
(2) However, at the same time, he is mathematically ignorant. He doesn't know any math yet.

You don't see a problem here? As I told you, in EVERY CONTEXT other than the Incarnation, the notion of 2 natures is AUTOMATICALLY DISMISSED as utter nonsense - for obvious reasons!

I can't make the decision for you. YOU have to make up your own mind. YOU have to decide whether you've chosen to believe foolishness, and whether such is what you REALLY want to confess to when standing before the judgment seat of Christ.

I'll cut my critique short there - as I really wasn't intending to get this thread shut down.