What About All the Fish?

[And-U-Say]

Yes, piece of cake! You see all species of say, tigers came from the one pair on the ark, etc as well. The world was so different (spiritual and physical) that this was par for the course then. So, for a century after the flood, the world was still merged, leaving ample time for fish to adapt. No problem at all.

I think you have gone too far and tipped your hand as a troll. You know, making YECs look bad can be fun, but they do well enough on their own. They don't need an agent provocateaur to help them. Besides, you need to come up with some more of those interesting/crazy ideas like the molten gold core to entertain the rest of us.

 

[TheBear]

The reality is that there is the strong possibility that Mount Everest is simply an example of a sign of the Great Flood (a result). My feeling is that as subterranean aquatic caverns collapsed, that the plates above buckled and slid.. This would eventually produce the various continents out of one. My guess is that at one time there was one sea.... Genesis 1:9 And GOD said, "Let the water under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear:" and it was so. Any underground reservior would also be a kind of sea.... GOD protected Noah. GOD protected a chosen remnant of marine creatures. None of this is so hard to believe ---- at least not for me. But then I trust in the Divine Will of a Divine GOD who is capable of CREATION, SANCTIFICATION, LOVE, MERCY, and GRACE.

IOW, you don't really have an explanation for the exponential increase in crushing pressure affecting seabed marine life. All you have is faith that God did it all, and somehow worked out all these problems with special miracales along the way.

 

[urbanxy]

It is as proven as anything old agers have to offer on the past. We do not understand how the spiritual works, with science, now do we? WE can look for clues, like we needed meat about the same time, but not before the flood. Lifespans were different, intermarriage was not bad, so it seems we were less damaged than now in some ways, and light was different, and possibly no gravity as we know it. Add to this, no radioactive decay generally, so I would think less radiation all around. If these tidbits don't help you, then I guess you will just have to keep it at admitting you don't know.

This "spiritual" you keep on about, please define it. You use it to paste together this "theory" of yours, yet you admit we cannot understand it. Why do you try explaining these things scientifically when you know you can't? Just concede that you believe all this on faith alone.

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[LittleNipper]

IOW, you don't really have an explanation for the exponential increase in crushing pressure affecting seabed marine life. All you have is faith that God did it all, and somehow worked out all these problems with special miracales along the way.

The Bible says that fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail: and the mountains were covered.

Now, it seems to me that if a portion of sea bottom was raised to within approx. 22 1/2 feet beneath the water, your little friends would be more than happy. The likelyhood of this happening somewhere and perhaps mutiple places on the planet during the FLOOD does not sound that unlikely (even for you). And with GOD nothing is impossible. All that is needed is for a couple of each species to survive together somewhere----anywhere, and let nature take its course (if you hold to that belief)..

PS> Carl Sagan is dead, so what did eveolution do for him?

 

[TheBear]

The Bible says that fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail: and the mountains were covered.

Right. The Bible says that the waters rose 15 cubits higher than the mountains.

 

[LittleNipper]

Right. The Bible says that the waters rose 15 cubits higher than the mountains.

And the reality is that WE DO NOT KNOW HOW HIGH MOUNTAINS WERE AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD....

Genesis 7:19

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and ALL the HIGH HILLS, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

 

[urbanxy]

And the reality is that WE DO NOT KNOW HOW HIGH MOUNTAINS WERE AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD....

And so again we hear "things were different in the past, not like today." Just say God performed a miracle and be done with it. Why all these gymnastics to try explaining rationally what plainly could never have happened without magic?

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[MQTA]

And so again we hear "things were different in the past, not like today." Just say God performed a miracle and be done with it. Why all these gymnastics to try explaining rationally what plainly could never have happened without magic?

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maybe the deluge was an atomic attack on the planet by the creators, when it was just a pangea. the ensuing destruction of the pangea into 7 continents caused great flooding of the land mass. the end result was our tectonic plates no longer one layer, so now we have earthquakes when they hit each other. they're still moving apart slowly from the breaks.

from the bottom of the atlantic ocean, the american continents look like they're moving away from the european ones, no?

no magic in that scenario at all.. just hard to swallow and couldn't even be considered before our latest technological advances

 

[Blackmarch]

So, was the global flood water supposed to be fresh, salt, or brackish?


This should be fun!

Dunno. most likely a mix that was not equal.

 

[MQTA]

maybe the waters weren't of the same salinity before the flood, the deluge could have changed all that. Or maybe the opposite, the salinity was for the ecosystem, but after the deluge and breakup of the pangea to continents, fresh water lakes and brackish water ponds were something new. They had to create the fish slightly different. I guess they didn't have the artists with them, they're not very colorful. Though, the puffer is pretty funny.

 

[LittleNipper]

And so again we hear "things were different in the past, not like today." Just say God performed a miracle and be done with it. Why all these gymnastics to try explaining rationally what plainly could never have happened without magic?

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Well, that is exactly what evolutionists teach and promote. The past was different----it was warmer, the atmosphere was different to allow a lightning strike to cause life to begin, there was more water. The magnetic poles have changed ---- humans evolved from ape ancestors... Why not just say it was all magic? Of course magic is really just slight of hand or a trick. I suggest that you ask GOD to show HIMSELF as real to you.....

 

[MQTA]

Yahweh, Himself?

 

[TheBear]

And the reality is that WE DO NOT KNOW HOW HIGH MOUNTAINS WERE AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD

If you mean how high the mountains were 4-5 thousand years ago, we have a fairly precise knowledge of mountain heights. Mt Everest is between 30 and 50 million years old, and is 29,035 feet high. It is rising a few millimeters a year. In the grand scheme of things, 5,000 years ago there were only insignificant differences in the height of Mt Everest......hardly an answer to the problem that all this water would add many times more crushing pressure, to many forms of seabed marine life.

 

[urbanxy]

Well, that is exactly what evolutionists teach and promote. The past was different----it was warmer, the atmosphere was different to allow a lightning strike to cause life to begin, there was more water. The magnetic poles have changed ---- humans evolved from ape ancestors... Why not just say it was all magic? Of course magic is really just slight of hand or a trick. I suggest that you ask GOD to show HIMSELF as real to you.....

Global climate changes are posited using evidence.

 

[Mocca]

Well, that is exactly what evolutionists teach and promote. The past was different----it was warmer, the atmosphere was different to allow a lightning strike to cause life to begin, there was more water. The magnetic poles have changed ---- humans evolved from ape ancestors... Why not just say it was all magic? Of course magic is really just slight of hand or a trick. I suggest that you ask GOD to show HIMSELF as real to you.....

Offer evidence supporting this view.

Edit: "this view" meaning your belief that the past was warmer, had a "different" atmosphere, had more water, had opposite magnetic poles, etc. etc. etc.

 

[MQTA]

If you mean how high the mountains were 4-5 thousand years ago, we have a fairly precise knowledge of mountain heights. Mt Everest is between 30 and 50 million years old, and is 29,035 feet high. It is rising a few millimeters a year. In the grand scheme of things, 5,000 years ago there were only insignificant differences in the height of Mt Everest......hardly an answer to the problem that all this water would add many times more crushing pressure, to many forms of seabed marine life.

the mountain height in the book would be when earth was pangea, the mountains we know now would have been after the continents were formed and the plates pushed up the earth. Also more like 10-12000 or so years ago, if I get the timetable right

 

[MQTA]

from timelines.ws

10000BC An alteration in the Earth's magnetic field occurred.
(E&IH, 1973, p.94)

I guess before the deluge the rotation was up/down, the deluge caused the earth to change axis. It may actually have been beneficial. now we have seasons

 

[Mocca]

Most Young Earth Creationists fall back to the Bible for "evidence." Provide evidence for the truth of the Bible.

 

[MQTA]

The Earth and solar system could be here for billions of years, but the life here may be here a whole lot less.

 

[Mocca]

the mountain height in the book would be when earth was pangea, the mountains we know now would have been after the continents were formed and the plates pushed up the earth. Also more like 10-12000 or so years ago, if I get the timetable right

Under the assumption that "the book" is true. (And completely ignoring geological evidence)