What About All the Fish?

[LVdesigns]

Ther is no reason to assume it didn't. All reasons so far are a same past assumption and belief. Much weaked reasons than documetary evidence!

Ya, I can never be 100% certain about anything that happend that long ago. However, I tend to side with ideas that are based on observable evidence rather than what an old book said happened. I think there are plenty of reasons to not have to be agnostic about the flood. There is no fossil evidence and geological evidence that demonstrates that there was a flood. So, due to an extreme lack of evidence for a flood there is reason not to believe it occured. If there isn't proof of something, I consider it safe to say it didn't happen. If someone uncovers evidence later that will cause me to rethink my view, I will gladly do so.

 

[LittleNipper]

Let's cut to the chase....

How high are you claiming the global flood waters rose? How many feet above sea level? And, are you claiming the water was fresh, salt or brackish?

At this point in time my honest answer is, I don't know." This is what is presently being considered. It is not good to make up something. It is one thing to imagine and wonder, it is another to present a lie as reality. Enough of that is already being done in public school "science" classes....

 

[LittleNipper]

Ya, I can never be 100% certain about anything that happend that long ago. However, I tend to side with ideas that are based on observable evidence rather than what an old book said happened. I think there are plenty of reasons to not have to be agnostic about the flood. There is no fossil evidence and geological evidence that demonstrates that there was a flood. So, due to an extreme lack of evidence for a flood there is reason not to believe it occured. If there isn't proof of something, I consider it safe to say it didn't happen. If someone uncovers evidence later that will cause me to rethink my view, I will gladly do so.

Those fossils would not exist except for a flood----why not THE BIG ONE.

 

[urbanxy]

Those fossils would not exist except for a flood...

Please explain how one flood created all mineral, compression, pseudo and resin fossils.

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[MQTA]

Please explain how one flood created all mineral, compression, pseudo and resin fossils.

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I heard it was like this... we wouldn't have those fossils the way they are if not for the deluge. The flood was just a result of the deluge. The deluge buried at once all that we find as fossils. Things buried since then are not found fossilized.

the timetable I heard recently is 11-13000 years ago.. and timelines.ws seems to show major changes back then. If nukes were pounding onto the earth for 40 days, could it move the earth's poles? Like from north/south to the slant we have, which makes the seasons rather than steady climate year round. Could a deluge of nukes turn a pangea into continents?

I dunno.. I'm still trying to piece this stuff together from what I've read recently, it all seems to make sense... even if it's just another bs wild idea, it still makes sense.. all the others never did, some quick and obvious questions, others like "hey, wait a minute there" and then Pfft... but this so far, is.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Those fossils would not exist except for a flood----why not THE BIG ONE.

OK, tell us exactly which fossil exist because of the flood? Is it all the fossils or only some part? If some part formed in the few thousand years before and after the flood why couldn't all fossil record have formed in the 4.5 billion years of earth history. Please also tell us which part of the geological record was deposited by the flood and which wasn't. Since the flood was such a unique world changing event this should be easy.

 

[TheBear]

At this point in time my honest answer is, I don't know." This is what is presently being considered. It is not good to make up something.

But you know enough to wave off my concern for multiplied crushing pressure on seabed marine life. How did you conclude that water pressures would not be an issue?

 

[dad]

Those fossils would not exist except for a flood----why not THE BIG ONE.

I see the evos are on this one what a pig on slop. They have strong arguements of why a single flood really cannot, it seems account for the sky high layers. Giving the flood, which was worldwide as the bible says credit for everything I think is going to far. Whatever people believe is fine with me, I am a YEC. I felt that the flood geology was not sufficient to overcome the science we do have and fit the evidence. AS you may know, I now lean towards a very different past that was both spiritual and physical, explaing all things. It fits the evidence and no one will ever prove otherwise. It is check, and mate!

 

[TheBear]

pH levels are another factor in fish survival. Also, many fish do not survive sudden pH level changes.

 

[LittleNipper]

But you know enough to wave off my concern for multiplied crushing pressure on seabed marine life. How did you conclude that water pressures would not be an issue?

Simply because GOD could push an ocean bed into a mountain range at the same time the FLOOD happened to within 22 feet or so of the water's surface and both Bible inerrancy and a few sea bed marine creatures would be fine..........

 

[Tomk80]

Simply because GOD could push an ocean bed into a mountain range at the same time the FLOOD happened to within 22 feet or so of the water's surface and both Bible inerrancy and a few sea bed marine creatures would be fine..........

Now, I'm not a native speaker, but I really don't think this is english. I mean, it looks like it, it's got the proper words and all, but somehow it just doesn't make sense. A bit like 'Jabberwocky', but then without being able to conjure up any imagery.

 

[TheBear]

Simply because GOD could push an ocean bed into a mountain range

Well, I guess anything and everything can be explained away as God did it miraculously. For that matter, anything we can possibly imagine in our creative little minds, are all possible with the 'miracle' factor.

All that aside, what about plate tectonics and other factors? Plates continue to move today. Does this mean God is still pushing on the land masses?

at the same time the FLOOD happened to within 22 feet or so of the water's surface and both Bible inerrancy and a few sea bed marine creatures would be fine..........

22 feet above sea level would hardly make a global flood.

 

[Mocca]

Well, I guess anything and everything can be explained away as God did it miraculously. For that matter, anything we can possibly imagine in our creative little minds, are all possible with the 'miracle' factor.

Which is why I don't seriously argue against YEC. I'm cool like that.

Defending evolution is much more possible, anyway. xD

 

[TheBear]

Which is why I don't seriously argue against YEC. I'm cool like that.

You're too cool for me.

I'm a sucker for serious arguments against YECism.....not for the participants, but for the audience.


Anyways, nice to meet you, Mocca.

 

[anunbeliever]

I heard it was like this... we wouldn't have those fossils the way they are if not for the deluge. The flood was just a result of the deluge. The deluge buried at once all that we find as fossils. Things buried since then are not found fossilized.

the timetable I heard recently is 11-13000 years ago.. and timelines.ws seems to show major changes back then. If nukes were pounding onto the earth for 40 days, could it move the earth's poles? Like from north/south to the slant we have, which makes the seasons rather than steady climate year round. Could a deluge of nukes turn a pangea into continents?

I dunno.. I'm still trying to piece this stuff together from what I've read recently, it all seems to make sense... even if it's just another bs wild idea, it still makes sense.. all the others never did, some quick and obvious questions, others like "hey, wait a minute there" and then Pfft... but this so far, is.

Who are you and what have you done with our MQTA??

 

[MQTA]

Who are you and what have you done with our MQTA??

I don't know.. my fingers are typing on their own

 

[LittleNipper]

Well, I guess anything and everything can be explained away as God did it miraculously. For that matter, anything we can possibly imagine in our creative little minds, are all possible with the 'miracle' factor.

All that aside, what about plate tectonics and other factors? Plates continue to move today. Does this mean God is still pushing on the land masses?


22 feet above sea level would hardly make a global flood.

Do you read things wrong simply to make conversation. I said to within 22 feet of the waters surface----that means the marine critters would be well under water but not being crushed by being 100s of feet under water. There is also the prospect that GOD could use various sea animals to carry more delicate species.... Yes, GOD is the GOD of miracles. The birth of my only child was clearly a miracle and a gift from GOD. The fact that two family cars were not demolished under a falling Black Locust tree because of seeminly a series of odd circumstances was clearly a miracle. The fact that my son didn't lose his eye nor was scarred by a freak accident was clearly a miracle and a gift from GOD. I could list more, but what is the point? The point is that miracles DO happen and those above concerned me. The fact that I have this opportunity to speak to you is clearly a miracle and a gift the loving GOD has provided for you. You can make light of it. You can say it isn't so. You can joke all you want; however, GOD is clearly using HIS people to talk to you at your level. The reality is that miracles, like gifts, can be thrown away and ignored........ And yes, the entire universe (and that includes planet earth) are ALL still falling apart and wearing out. I will die and so will you someday. It is all a direct result of the Fall ------ as was the FLOOD.

 

[TheBear]

Do you read things wrong simply to make conversation. I said to within 22 feet of the waters surface----that means the marine critters would be well under water but not being crushed by being 100s of feet under water. There is also the prospect that GOD could use various sea animals to carry more delicate species.... Yes, GOD is the GOD of miracles. The birth of my only child was clearly a miracle and a gift from GOD. The fact that two family cars were not demolished under a falling Black Locust tree because of seeminly a series of odd circumstances was clearly a miracle. The fact that my son didn't lose his eye nor was scarred by a freak accident was clearly a miracle and a gift from GOD. I could list more, but what is the point? The point is that miracles DO happen and those above concerned me. The fact that I have this opportunity to speak to you is clearly a miracle and a gift the loving GOD has provided for you. You can make light of it. You can say it isn't so. You can joke all you want; however, GOD is clearly using HIS people to talk to you at your level. The reality is that miracles, like gifts, can be thrown away and ignored........ And yes, the entire universe (and that includes planet earth) are ALL still falling apart and wearing out. I will die and so will you someday. It is all a direct result of the Fall ------ as was the FLOOD.

So, everything from child birth to the internet is a miracle to you. Fine. I can always tell when sound reasoning is exausted - the remarks start turning to an appeal to religious authority, flavored with emotion.

I'm still trying to get a grasp on this one - "I said to within 22 feet of the waters surface----that means the marine critters would be well under water but not being crushed by being 100s of feet under water."

Are you talking about a total of 22 foot depth? Are you talking about 22 feet on top of the existing water level? Was it some kind of magical uniform water cover, where a 22 foot layer of water 'stuck' to everything, including the sides of hills and mountains without being affected by gravity?

Exactly what do you mean?

 

[MQTA]

I thought the FLOOD was the fault of the Elohim who mated with human females?

and the Fall was actually a Rise, we'd have had no knowledge had we not sought it

 

[TheBear]

I thought the FLOOD was the fault of the Elohim who mated with human females?

and the Fall was actually a Rise, we'd have had no knowledge had we not sought it

Nice comic relief.