What a relief

[AV1611VET]

You keep bringing up soda pop in your list. Why?

CO2

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

CO2

Ah, okay.

So, you do know that the CO2 isn't actually in the form of a gas when you open a bottle of Coke, but it's a liquid since it's been dissolved, or that a single 300ml can of Coke only has 2.2 grams of CO2 in it, right?

That's really the same as the burning of fossil fuels, which has for every tonne of coal burned, 3.66 tonnes of CO2 are emitted. Exactly the same.

 

[Estrid]

Ah, okay.

So, you do know that the CO2 isn't actually in the form of a gas when you open a bottle of Coke, but it's a liquid since it's been dissolved, or that a single 300ml can of Coke only has 2.2 grams of CO2 in it, right?

That's really the same as the burning of fossil fuels, which has for every tonne of coal burned, 3.66 tonnes of CO2 are emitted. Exactly the same.

What is exactly the same?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What is exactly the same?

.... I really fail to see how you can't see that I'm being sarcastic when I say 2.2 grams of CO2 being released from a 300ml can of Coke is the same as 3.66 tonnes of CO2 being released for every tonne of coal burnt.

 

[Estrid]

.... I really fail to see how you can't see that I'm being sarcastic when I say 2.2 grams of CO2 being released from a 300ml can of Coke is the same as 3.66 tonnes of CO2 being released for every tonne of coal burnt.

I asked what the same as it's not so evident to me.

Carbonated drinks do realease CO2, and worldwide
it's some few tones of gas. But it's stupid to talk about such minute amounts, of course. Unworthy of response
should someone bring it up.

Where I wondered about " the same" is, combustion of coal releases CO2 last seen in the atmosphere 400million yrs ago.

Is the release from carbonated drinks the same as in
also " new" to the atmosphere?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Since I had to ask: How can burning one ton of fuel create more than one ton of CO2?

 

[Estrid]

Since I had to ask: How can burning one ton of fuel create more than one ton of CO2?

Anyone who did Chem 101 knows that one

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I asked what the same as it's not so evident to me.

Carbonated drinks do realease CO2, and worldwide
it's some few tones of gas. But it's stupid to talk about such minute amounts, of course. Unworthy of response
should someone bring it up.

Where I wondered about " the same" is, combustion of coal releases CO2 last seen in the atmosphere 400million yrs ago.

Is the release from carbonated drinks the same as in
also " new" to the atmosphere?

I 100% fail to see what your point is.

I was being facetious towards AV because of his idea that drinking soda pop is the same as industrial greenhouse gases releasing massive amounts of CO2 into the air.

 

[AV1611VET]

I 100% fail to see what your point is.

I was being facetious towards AV because of his idea that drinking soda pop is the same as industrial greenhouse gases releasing massive amounts of CO2 into the air.

LOL -- WOW

Just wow.

So now I'm raising my list to the level of industry, am I?

If I target practice with a .22 rifle, am I working at the same level as a howitzer?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

LOL -- WOW

Just wow.

So now I'm raising my list to the level of industry, am I?

If I target practice with a .22 rifle, am I working at the same level as a howitzer?

So why do you include it on your list then, since it is a massively negligible thing that can easily be offset, whilst the mass emission of CO2 can really only be offset (in my own opinion) by the mass use of nuclear energy.

 

[AV1611VET]

So why do you include it on your list then, since it is a massively negligible thing that can easily be offset, whilst the mass emission of CO2 can really only be offset (in my own opinion) by the mass use of nuclear energy.

It was on a list of contributors to climate change.

I copied the list and use it to make my point against those who think we should be giving up our creature comforts, or else Guam is going to be underwater soon.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It was on a list of contributors to climate change.

I copied the list and use it to make my point against those who think we should be giving up our creature comforts, or else Guam is going to be underwater soon.

Yes, it's not wrong to say those things contribute to climate change, but they are things that can be offset if done right. Most of them are luxuries we could do with less of (even though I drink more than my share of soda, even I know it's a luxury product).

Opening one can of Coke isn't going to bring ruin to Guam. Burning too many tonnes of coal without an offset on the other hand...

Although you do have to remember that companies like BP have known about climate change for decades but pushed it from being something they can deal with to something that is solely seen as being something regular people can only do, to save their own hides and profits.

 

[Estrid]

I 100% fail to see what your point is.

I was being facetious towards AV because of his idea that drinking soda pop is the same as industrial greenhouse gases releasing massive amounts of CO2 into the air.

I failed to realize that there were two of you
missing on a cylinder. Or three.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I failed to realize that there were two of you
missing on a cylinder. Or three.

What are you blathering about? Because all you're doing to me is just being rude for the sake of being rude.

 

[Shemjaza]

So mankind and coastal ecosystems have been
in a state of continuous disaster for 12 or 15k
years.

Slightly, quickly changing ecosystems causes extinctions and in extreme cases collapse. A whole lot of ice age eco systems were dying even before humanity spread out.

Human caused climate change is orders of magnitude faster than the changes that have been continuing since the end of the ice age.

The dinosaur bit is relevant how?

It's an example of the effect that you are describing of a long term benefit and opertunities for the surviving species comes at the cost of significant dasmage.

Exacerbates...most everything we do
is like that.
Overpopulation is the core of all of it.

And we get countries like Russia, China, Japan,
Korea trying to increase birth rate.

Overpopulation is an extremely overestimated danger... it's over consumption that's the problem. Bigger populations consume more, but it isn't even remotely even across civilisations.

USA and Europe worrying about falling birth rate.

That's what happens when you place a higher priority on the economics of the next couple of decades over survival as a nation over the next century.

Pushing people back from low lying coastal areas
will make overpopulation more acute and obvious
but nobody is going to do anything about it.

Meanwhile people fuss with feckless symbolic
projects like e- cars.

Hold back the seas with lithium batteries.

It is an ongoing problem, I agree.

That said, battery technology is an excellent component of renewable sources of power.

 

[Bradskii]

That said, battery technology is an excellent component of renewable sources of power.

Sea salt batteries on the horizon?

Sea salt batteries could be a cheap, green alternative to lithium

Lithium - the main component in most electric batteries - can be costly to mine. But researchers have made a breakthrough with alternative ‘molten salt’ batteries.

www.euronews.com

 

[juvenissun]

The jury's still out on the escalation of earth's magnetic north movement. It's up to 30-40 miles per year now. Does it have an influence on weather patterns, earth shifting ,volcanic volatility?
Blessings

I bet it has.
Many people can argue about the details, magnetic pole wondering should certainly be one of them. However, nobody is able to see the whole picture.

 

[juvenissun]

Isn't it amazing that science is self-correcting?

The problem is not whether methane increases warming 20% rather than 30% but that fossil fuels has an overhaul warming effect on our climate. No need to do anything as we a have an extra year or two before breaching climate tipping points. Party on....

What tipping point? I don‘t see any so far.

 

[juvenissun]

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/wp-content/uploads/pix/user_images/tk/global_warm_hurr/Adjust_TS_Count.png

Do you see that the storm rate increased when the world is very busy in reducing carbon footprints?

 

[Shemjaza]

I bet it has.
Many people can argue about the details, magnetic pole wondering should certainly be one of them. However, nobody is able to see the whole picture.

I doubt it has zero effects... but we have records of the pole shifting throughout the Earth's history and it doesn't line up specifically with mass extinctions, so I wouldn't rate it that highly.

That said there's at least one pole shift that lines up with a Pacific super volcano... and those are bad news,