What’s the worst that can happen?

[Ken-1122]

What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesn’t he do it?

Ken

 

[Matariki]

God would have to voice his voice every time a new life was brought into the world. Not to mention the amount of dough (cash) that would flowing through into the hands of Psychiatrists, Pharmacists and mental institutes.

The answer is he already has, through the bible.

Every time you read his word, his voice comes to life. If written word isn't satisfying enough, what makes people think that a miracle would change their mind? I would say the documents of the bible are a miracle, based on the fact that we have them readily available. Thousands of years of history that has managed to survive without being destroyed by the civilizations which ruled over Israel. You gotta admit, thats pretty impressive if you look at the history behind the scripture.

All through out the bible, miracles were preformed and people still rejected and denied God, including those that witnessed them first hand. The issue isn't so much to do with our senses or evidence (though both are important), but with our heart and ability to submit.

The greatest miracle was the birth, the death and the resurrection of Christ. Unfortunately, even that isn't good enough for allot of people, including those that witnessed it and prosecuted him in the first place.

I will say this, God doesn't do miracles to appeal to us or for our entertainment, God doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. Imagine if people starting saying "I can make God do whatever I ask him to do", in other words that's saying "I am above God, he is my servant". That's pride, and God opposes all pride. Unfortunately, some (if not many) people who claim to be Christians often carry this attitude.

Psalms 138:6
Proverbs 3:34
Proverbs 16:19
James 4:6
1 Peter 5:5

And thats only to name a few.

God does miracles to glorify himself. Ultimately what God sees as fit, is beneficial for us, whether we recognize it now or later. Though mind you, his perspective and our perspective are completely different. He's perfect, we obviously aren't, so our understanding and recognition of things is inhibited (flawed). We will never come to understand why God chooses to do or not do, until he says so and there are many things that God has not told us, most likely for the better.

 

[zaksmummy]

God has already done this - twice

The first time was on Mt Sinai when he gave the people of Israel the Ten commandments, and the second time was at the feast of pentecost when the disciples went to the temple speaking in the languages of the visitors who had come to worship God in Jerusalem.

As Matariki has already said, God showing his power does not cause people to believe, because as he often said to the children of Israel "you are a stubborn and stiff necked people" - and we are.

 

[lesliedellow]

Because every atheist on the face of the planet would just say it was mass hallucination, or find some other way of explaining it away. You can't force anybody to believe something they don't want to believe.

 

[Brenda Morgan]

Since God confused all languages at the tower of Babel so we have hundreds [thousands???] of languages, he could unconfuse the languages so everyone in the whole world spoke King James English. [With all words newer than 1611 added to the English language. Radar for example]

I think that would be very convincing that God exists.

I believe that it will help in creating world peace. I have done some traveling to foreign countries. It always creates an instant bond when I find some stranger who speaks English even if the stranger is not American.

God...if you are reading this....how about it?

 

[Ken-1122]

Matariki (quote) “God would have to voice his voice every time a new life was brought into the world.

(reply)Not unless he wanted to. Now why he would do such a ridicules thing, I have no idea.

(quote)” Not to mention the amount of dough (cash) that would flowing through into the hands of Psychiatrists, Pharmacists and mental institutes”

(reply)Not after proof of his existence has been established

(quote)” The answer is he already has, through the bible. Every time you read his word, his voice comes to life. If written word isn't satisfying enough, what makes people think that a miracle would change their mind

(reply)Because your written word has no more credibility with someone else than someone else’s written word has with you! Is the written word of the Koran or the Vedas good enough for you?

(quote)” I would say the documents of the bible are a miracle, based on the fact that we have them readily available.”

(reply)The Koran and Vedas are readily available; are they miracles as well?

(quote)”Thousands of years of history that has managed to survive without being destroyed by the civilizations which ruled over Israel. You gotta admit, thats pretty impressive if you look at the history behind the scripture.”

No more impressive than the survival of various other unsubstantiated ancient holy texts!

(quote) “All through out the bible, miracles were preformed and people still rejected and denied God, including those that witnessed them first hand. The issue isn't so much to do with our senses or evidence (though both are important), but with our heart and ability to submit.”

(reply) But our senses and evidence is what effects our heart and our ability to submit.

(quote) “I will say this, God doesn't do miracles to appeal to us or for our entertainment, God doesn't need to prove anything to anyone”

(reply) He didn’t in the Old Testament either; yet he was performing miracles on the regular! If he is the same God today that he was yesterday, why can’t he do what he did yesterday?

Zaksmummy (quote) “God has already done this - twice
The first time was on Mt Sinai when he gave the people of Israel the Ten commandments, and the second time was at the feast of pentecost when the disciples went to the temple speaking in the languages of the visitors who had come to worship God in Jerusalem.

(reply) On Mt Sinai only Moses witnessed God, and he did believe. On the day of Pentecost, the disciples believed as well. Because everyone in your examples who witnessed God believed, your argument fails

Lesliedillow (quote) “Because every atheist on the face of the planet would just say it was mass hallucination, or find some other way of explaining it away. You can't force anybody to believe something they don't want to believe”

(reply) Assuming what you say is the truth; which I doubt, so a few people will remain atheists! doesn’t sound so bad to me? Does it to you?

Ken

 

[lesliedellow]

[/font] Assuming what you say is the truth; which I doubt, so a few people will remain atheists! doesn’t sound so bad to me? Does it to you?

Ken

On another forum I frequent somebody will occasionally post a question asking atheists what it would take for them to convert. Then the people who had previously been letting us know how open minded they are will for once be honest and say nothing. Usually the answer runs along the lines of:

"Well even if we couldn't explain it at the moment, science would come up with an explanation eventually. There would be no need to suppose that goddidit."

 

[elman]

What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesn’t he do it?

Ken

I suspect He does not do it because He wants volunteers in loving others, not people who have been so impressed with His power to act as He commands out of fear.

 

[bling]

Then trusting (faith) in the existence of the benevolent Christian God would not be a humbling act. Humans need a little “self” humility to accept pure charity from a giver that made a sacrifice to give the gift.

Knowing God exist is only “humbling” in that you are humbled in comparison to God, but the humility we need is not that of having this huge being above us, but in knowing we cannot depend on self and be self reliant.

God is not trying to be perceived as being way above us (and thus make us humble in that respect), but wants to be with us helping us individually. We need to humbly go to God for personal help, since nothing else will work. We have Jesus coming as a very ordinary looking Jew and yet He is Deity, here to help us one on one, if we will just accept His help.

 

[drich0150]

What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesn’t he do it?

Ken

As a Child did you act differently when you knew your parents were watching as apposed to when it was just you and your friends? Even if you did not, know that most of us did.

In this life we are set apart from the direct knowledge of God so they we may prove to ourselves where are hearts truly lie. If we had indisputable knowledge of God, then the life we would lead would reflect our direct fear of hell rather than how we truly felt about God.

 

[razeontherock]

What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesn’t he do it?

Ken

I do understand your yearning, and I think we all share that to some extent. It is simply True that He chooses to function differently. And He knows best!

 

[ptomwebster]

What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once,...
Ken

He did, He sent His Word!

 

[Faulty]

What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesn’t he do it?

Ken

He will again...

Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
Rev 14:6-7
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You don't want to be around when this happens though, in the middle of the Tribulation.

Would you turn from you're sin then if you saw this? How would that be different than right now?

 

[Ken-1122]

On another forum I frequent somebody will occasionally post a question asking atheists what it would take for them to convert. Then the people who had previously been letting us know how open minded they are will for once be honest and say nothing. Usually the answer runs along the lines of:

"Well even if we couldn't explain it at the moment, science would come up with an explanation eventually. There would be no need to suppose that goddidit."

Again; so a few "straglers" would remain atheists. What about the billions who would convert? Don't cha think it would be worth it?


K

 

[Ken-1122]

I suspect He does not do it because He wants volunteers in loving others, not people who have been so impressed with His power to act as He commands out of fear.

That wasn't the case when he made himself known in the Old Testament; why do you assume this would happen now?

K

 

[razeontherock]

That wasn't the case when he made himself known in the Old Testament

Faulty conclusion. When's the last time you read Jonah? Only 4 chapters.

 

[Ken-1122]

Then trusting (faith) in the existence of the benevolent Christian God would not be a humbling act. Humans need a little “self” humility to accept pure charity from a giver that made a sacrifice to give the gift.

A voice comming from the sky will not prevent people from being humble

K

 

[Ken-1122]

As a Child did you act differently when you knew your parents were watching as apposed to when it was just you and your friends? Even if you did not, know that most of us did.

In this life we are set apart from the direct knowledge of God so they we may prove to ourselves where are hearts truly lie. If we had indisputable knowledge of God, then the life we would lead would reflect our direct fear of hell rather than how we truly felt about God.

Are you saying most christians believe God is not watching us? that this all knowing omnscience God has no idea what we are doing? or am I misunderstanding you; if so please explain

K

 

[Ken-1122]

He did, He sent His Word!

But words written by men do not have the credibility that a voice from the sky would have

K

 

[drich0150]

Are you saying most Christians believe God is not watching us? that this all knowing omnscience God has no idea what we are doing? or am I misunderstanding you; if so please explain

K

We have not been given full access of the knowledge of the existence of God so that we are able to live or express ourselves in accordance of our true natures. so that when we are judged their is no doubt in our minds to the righteousness of the judgment we will receive. If God removes all doubt in our minds about the existence of Himself then our actions will more so reflect our fear of Hell rather than who we really are and our thoughts/feelings towards God.. Which in turn will make this life pointless.