Were the Pyramids Built Before the Flood? (Masoretic Text vs. Original Hebrew)

AV1611VET · Sep 19, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Can you figure out what's wrong with that idea?

Scientist crawled all around in them and determined they are nearly solid structures?

KenJackson · Sep 19, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Some person actually declared they were built by Joseph to hold grain.
Can you figure out what's wrong with that idea?

I've heard that from more than just SecHUD. Apparently someone floated it long ago and people who don't know anything about them assume it's a practical idea. But they would make terrible grain silos. And the technology to build them had probably been lost by the time of Joseph.

AV1611VET · Sep 19, 2020

KenJackson said:
And the technology to build them had probably been lost by the time of Joseph.

What's this then?

Genesis 41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

KenJackson · Sep 19, 2020

AV1611VET said:
What's this then?

There is evidence that they in fact were built. And the use of some technology is evident. (Is their existence evidence enough for you?) In fact there's evidence that incredible technology existed, since there are ancient statues in Egypt made of very hard rock that are so perfectly symmetric that you need a laser to measure the error.

AV1611VET · Sep 19, 2020

KenJackson said:
There is evidence that they in fact were built.

Yes, I know.

I saw one watching Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Per Post 20, the $64.00 question is:

Why were they built?

KenJackson · Sep 19, 2020

Author Christopher Dunn thinks the great pyramid at Giza was a power plant. Don't know. But they were not tombs, as is popularly thought. There were no mummies inside, no hieroglyphics, nothing ornate, no columns, no grand entrance.

Do you have an idea?

AV1611VET · Sep 20, 2020

KenJackson said:
Do you have an idea?

Yes.

Joseph built them to house the grain from the seven years of plenty that God said was coming.

When the seven years of plenty ended, and the seven years of famine took over, the famine was so sore that people came from all different countries to buy food, making Pharaoh rich beyond measure.

The Barbarian · Sep 20, 2020

KenJackson said:
I've heard that from more than just SecHUD. Apparently someone floated it long ago and people who don't know anything about them assume it's a practical idea. But they would make terrible grain silos.

Considering that they are over 99% solid rock, yes. And we have examples of Egyptian grainaries thousands of years older than the Pyramids.

And the technology to build them had probably been lost by the time of Joseph.

Or at least the inclination to do so. Ramses II, the pharaoh who did not know Joseph, actually looted some stone from one pyramid for some of his building projects.

KenJackson · Sep 21, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Joseph built them to house the grain from the seven years of plenty that God said was coming.

When the seven years of plenty ended, and the seven years of famine took over, the famine ...

Wrapped up in that explanation is a big problem that disproves it. Do you see it?

If the need for grain silos wasn't made apparent until the first of seven years of plenty, then they would have had to have been built during the 7 years of plenty, preferably during the first 3. But various people have estimated that they took much longer than 7 years to build.

Face it. The grain silo theory was somebody's whim, not a serious proposal.

KenJackson · Sep 21, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Why were they built?

We're back to that.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Joseph built them to house the grain from the seven years of plenty that God said was coming.

The Great Pyramid, or the Pyramid of Khufu, is the oldest and the tallest of the three pyramids towering over Giza. Constructed c. 2551–2528 BCE, it originally stood at 481.4 feet (147 meters), or about 45 stories. Its immense size makes it a marvel to behold, but the Great Pyramid, and its neighbors, the Pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure, are mostly just solid masses of stone—2.3 million blocks of cut limestone, to be more precise, which is the approximate number making up the Great Pyramid.

Not much room for grain, um?

And there were granaries all over Egypt. There was no need to build a building to hold it all in a central place (the empire stretched from the Mediterranean to Nubia).

AV1611VET · Sep 21, 2020

KenJackson said:
But various people have estimated that they took much longer than 7 years to build.

Probably because they were looking at the pyramids as they appear today.

That is, filled in with more stone.

But Joseph built them as grain silos, with nothing inside.

No elaborate hallways or crypts or whatever they were modified to be after the famine.

It's like building a house in just a couple hours.

But inside? no rooms, floors, hallways, plumbing, electricity, nothing.

AV1611VET · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Not much room for grain, um?

QV my response to Ken.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Scientist crawled all around in them and determined they are nearly solid structures?

Muon detectors. They've found only a few voids in the structure, other than the known tunnels and chambers, which are quite small. And they might not be usable voids:

A 3D reconstruction showing a schematic view of the void behind the Great Pyramid's north face. Whether there is a substantial void, or whether the muons are simply detecting a mix of large and small blocks that were used to construct the core of the pyramid, is uncertain.
In Photos: Looking Inside the Great Pyramid of Giza | Live Science

AV1611VET · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Muon detectors. They've found only a few voids in the structure, other than the known tunnels and chambers, which are quite small.

Back a cement truck up to an empty swimming pool and fill it up with cement.

Then run your muon detectors to see if you can find any voids in the structure.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Back a cement truck up to an empty swimming pool and fill it up with cement.

Then run your muon detectors to see if you can find any voids in the structure.

It's easy to check. The detectors found all the known spaces in the structure, so we know it works.

KenJackson · Sep 21, 2020

AV1611VET said:
But Joseph built them as grain silos, with nothing inside.

No elaborate hallways or crypts or whatever they were modified to be after the famine.

Are you just playing devil's advocate, like a troll, or proposing your actual opinion?

AV1611VET · Sep 21, 2020

KenJackson said:
Are you just playing devil's advocate, like a troll, or proposing your actual opinion?

Read this post, note the date, and you decide:

AV1611VET said:
Sounds plausible.

Any reason they couldn't have been?

I've looked around on the Net, and so far all I see is the equivalent of: "That's a silly idea."

Does anyone have anything concrete to offer as to why I should think otherwise?

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

Does anyone have anything concrete to offer as to why I should think otherwise?

No space in the pyramid to store grain. And muon imaging has confirmed the fact.
There were many,many granaries already in existence in Egypt, capable of storing the grain.
A hollow pyramid made of huge stones just piled on one another would have to be mostly solid rock, or it would just fall down.

Not hard to figure out.

AV1611VET · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
No space in the pyramid to store grain. And muon imaging has confirmed the fact.

There were many,many granaries already in existence in Egypt, capable of storing the grain.

A hollow pyramid made of huge stones just piled on one another would have to be mostly solid rock, or it would just fall down.

Not hard to figure out.

1. The spaces were filled in later, after the famine, when the pyramids were converted to tombs.
2. Were they pyramids, or cylinders?
3. What (Who, actually) kept them from doing so? Hint: Noah's Ark.

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