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YAKIMA -- It may not be what you believe, but it's still a religion.

Pagans say they're usually misunderstood and rarely given a fair shot.

This is no movie, no Hollywood set, no game of dress-up.

You're going inside a very real and very reclusive religious ritual, performed by Pagans.

They call themselves Wiccans.

You know that to mean witch.

But they want you to understand what that means.

http://www.keprtv.com/news/local/18352084.html

Unfortunately there is still far too much ignorance out there about Pagans and Wiccans in general. Many people actually still believe that we sacrifice children to the gods in the graveyards. I'm sorry and I hate to tell you this but it's not true! Wiccans do not engage in any kind of animal or human sacrifices whatsoever.

The ignorance that exists about Pagans and Wiccans is just saddening. Another ignorant myth about Wiccans is that we worship the devil. Hate to tell you this but we don't even believe in the devil!

What can be done about the ignorance about Pagans and Wiccans in general? :confused:
 

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All I heard about Pagans and Wiccans is that they worship or care about nature.I have no issues about there belief and if I had more time I would study there belief.As with any ones religion or lack of religion I find
it's none of my business to judge or criticize them or you.
 
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Another ignorant myth about Wiccans is that we worship the devil. Hate to tell you this but we don't even believe in the devil!

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."
 
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all the Wiccans you've known, claim to be the Messiah?

Have been more sensitive to the needs of others, more caring toward the poor, more willing to help when a person was in trouble. In short, followed the instructions of Christ better than most Christians.
 
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Have been more sensitive to the needs of others, more caring toward the poor, more willing to help when a person was in trouble. In short, followed the instructions of Christ better than most Christians.
Really? How many soup kitchens do Wiccans run? How many drug and alcohol rehab centers have you built? How many thrift stores have you established so the poor can buy inexpensive but good-condition clothing? How many missionaries do you have currently overseas or even in your own backyards to proclaim the good news of Christ Whom you say you "follow"?
 
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Any idea why that might be? Think hard.

Because, unlike many Christians, they were raised to feel real empathy for other people, and not to think of others as tools for obeying God. When they saw a person in need, they helped them because they felt true compassion for them, and their sincerity was clear. They did not offer services to people just because they felt God expected it of them.

When a person uses another in order to obey a third entity's orders (God's) that second person, and their real needs as a human being, get lost in the shuffle. The first person believes they are being loving, but they are often only willing to love on their own terms, and it tends to have strings attached (like, getting the other person to convert, or the other person must show inordinate thanks and praise for the oh-so-godly person). The Wiccans I've known have just *cared.*
 
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Really? How many soup kitchens do Wiccans run? How many drug and alcohol rehab centers have you built? How many thrift stores have you established so the poor can buy inexpensive but good-condition clothing? How many missionaries do you have currently overseas or even in your own backyards to proclaim the good news of Christ Whom you say you "follow"?


I'm not claiming that Christians do no good works. I participated in plenty of Missions trips with my church.

I'm saying that I've never seen the blatant and self-serving insincerity in Wiccans that I see in many Christians.

and, for the record, I'm not Wiccan.
 
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I'm saying that I've never seen the blatant and self-serving insincerity in Wiccans that I see in many Christians.
That's a load of bunk. Wiccans are people, no? Therefore they are blatantly self-serving and insincere just like the rest of the world is. The difference is, Christians are forgiven for their mistakes. Also, Christians are less so, not more so, as you imply.
 
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Because, unlike many Christians, they were raised to feel real empathy for other people, and not to think of others as tools for obeying God. When they saw a person in need, they helped them because they felt true compassion for them, and their sincerity was clear. They did not offer services to people just because they felt God expected it of them.

When a person uses another in order to obey a third entity's orders (God's) that second person, and their real needs as a human being, get lost in the shuffle. The first person believes they are being loving, but they are often only willing to love on their own terms, and it tends to have strings attached (like, getting the other person to convert, or the other person must show inordinate thanks and praise for the oh-so-godly person). The Wiccans I've known have just *cared.*


So the Wiccan "Rule of Three", does not apply?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_Three_%28Wiccan%29
 
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That was a seriously un-called for comment.

I have no beef with God (Some of his followers...) Im not Pagan to spite anyone or anything. Im Pagan because thats what I believe.

Should I say that you're Baptist to spite the Catholics? Or the Atheists?


Whats needed is more communication, more conversation, between members of the two faiths. Im actually on GodTube currently and trying to foster this kind of communication and its a large part of the reason Im HERE.
 
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That's a load of bunk. Wiccans are people, no? Therefore they are blatantly self-serving and insincere just like the rest of the world is. The difference is, Christians are forgiven for their mistakes. Also, Christians are less so, not more so, as you imply.

Oh...well, if you say so, must be true.


So the Wiccan "Rule of Three", does not apply?
It would, in theory, but I've never seen or heard of anybody being raised with the Rule of Three as the basis of their morality system from infancy, the way that "God told you to," is the basis of morality in a lot of Christian households.

And yes, it's true. I'm agnostic to spite the Zoroastrians.
 
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Because, unlike many Christians, they were raised to feel real empathy for other people, and not to think of others as tools for obeying God. When they saw a person in need, they helped them because they felt true compassion for them, and their sincerity was clear. They did not offer services to people just because they felt God expected it of them.

When a person uses another in order to obey a third entity's orders (God's) that second person, and their real needs as a human being, get lost in the shuffle. The first person believes they are being loving, but they are often only willing to love on their own terms, and it tends to have strings attached (like, getting the other person to convert, or the other person must show inordinate thanks and praise for the oh-so-godly person). The Wiccans I've known have just *cared.*
No, sorry. You didn't think hard enough.

What I am about to say is shameful to humanity, but true nonetheless. Most people - Christian, Jewish, Hindu, whatever - are born into their faith, and identify themselves as belonging to that faith, but could care less about it. They are far more concerned with themselves and their petty lives. They just say they are 'x' faith because they were born into it.

Now wiccans are generally people who were not born wiccan but found it on a spiritual quest, the bigger questions are important to them. They care about their place in this world and they care about others. They are spiritual seekers. They are most likely very good and very unselfish people. And very moral.

Now again, most Christians are just Christians because they were born that way, they've never given it any real thought. They go to church on Sunday because their neighbors do and its expected. They mentally sleep during the service.

But. And a big but. There are spiritual seekers in Christianity too (and other religions as well). People who have sought and found inspiritation in Christ's message. These people would be every bit as good a person as any wiccan. They have a hunger to understand the grand design and an intuitive knowledge that a large part of it is sacrifice for your fellow man.

Now, if Wicca was what most people were born as, and few were Christians you would see the reverse. Most identifying as wiccan would be selfish, base humans (because that's what most people are), and the few who sought out spirituality and found Christianity would be shining examples of how humanity should be.
 
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No, sorry. You didn't think hard enough.
Neither did you. Your assumptions are grossly out of line with facts. Only 40% of present day Christians were "born into it." The remainder were raised either in a non-Christian or non-participatory home. Thirty-one percent of Christians come to know Christ as Savior and Lord between 18-30 years of age. twenty two percent between the ages of 31-40. Four percent come to Christ after age 40 and three percent after age 55. So your information is wrong. So are your assumptions about participation and activity in the church. And FYI, as of 2006, Christianity was again the fastest-growing religion in the world, outpacing Muslim converts by well over 20%. Wicca? Its not even big enough to measure.
 
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Neither did you. Your assumptions are grossly out of line with facts. Only 40% of present day Christians were "born into it." The remainder were raised either in a non-Christian or non-participatory home.

I think that was the point IisJustMe. Non-participatories still identify themselves as Christian. And there are one heck of a lot of them. Especially when you include the non-participitaries that sleep through church every Sunday. One hour a week Christians abound. True Christians walk the path Christ showed us. But the average selfish joe in our society generally claims to be Christian too.

I agree with you that those who make a conscious choice to be Christian are especially devout and good people. But there are a lot of pretenders.
 
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