• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

"We're Not Having A Sermon Today"

Quasiblogo

Regular Member
Site Supporter
Jan 9, 2007
1,055
1,128
Continental U.S.
✟1,192,427.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Have you ever been in a Church service where the pastor announced there would be no sermon due to special music, extended ministering to people at the front of the church (as evangelicals tend to do via "altar calls"), etc.?

No one can put the Omnipotent in a box, but I have witnessed several times where I didn't think a sermon/homily-less service was warranted.
 

Quasiblogo

Regular Member
Site Supporter
Jan 9, 2007
1,055
1,128
Continental U.S.
✟1,192,427.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
It's true that we must live the Gospel, through love, but a church service seems to be a divinely appointed place/moment for the proclamation of the Gospel, and omitting this can stunt the growth of the Body, IMO.
 
Upvote 0

seeking.IAM

A View From The Pew
Site Supporter
Feb 29, 2004
5,111
5,905
Indiana
✟1,274,473.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
There are many ways to worship beyond the sermon. The sermon as the central point of worship is a matter of one's faith tradition. In my tradition, the central point of worship is The Eucharist, not the sermon. You might hear an Anglican say, "I've heard many a bad sermon, but I've never been to a bad Eucharist."

I would have no objection to foregoing a sermon if it was a rare occurrence, was not merely an excuse for a pastor's unpreparedness, and was set aside for a special worship experience of a different type. Now in my 60's, I can count on one hand the number of things I remember out of all the sermons I have heard in my life.
 
Upvote 0

Paidiske

Clara bonam audax
Site Supporter
Apr 25, 2016
36,230
20,438
46
Albury, Australia
Visit site
✟1,836,254.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
I can think of perhaps one or two occasions when a sermon would have been an expected part of the service, but was foregone for some reason. Provided it's as rare as that - a couple of times in 20 or so years of church going - I don't feel the need to complain.

That said, not all church services have preaching as an integral part of them, and I'm okay with that too. Usually that type of service is not the main service for the week, but is a form of evening prayer or the like put on as something "extra" for people to go to. And I think it's not a bad thing that there are various forms of worship and not all of them are sermon-heavy.
 
Upvote 0

quidam65

Active Member
Mar 19, 2018
42
25
61
DFW
✟34,261.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Have you ever been in a Church service where the pastor announced there would be no sermon due to special music, extended ministering to people at the front of the church (as evangelicals tend to do via "altar calls"), etc.?

No one can put the Omnipotent in a box, but I have witnessed several times where I didn't think a sermon/homily-less service was warranted.

Actually no I have never been to such a service, excepting those where it was a featured Easter or Christmas musical of sorts. Nothing like you've described. I have no problem with it on an occasion but I wouldn't make that the norm.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Phil 1:21
Upvote 0

sunshineforJesus

is so in love with God
Feb 19, 2014
20,901
12,865
47
Sterling Ct
✟731,844.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Last month Our pastor was led to have people who
needed prayer for healing come up for prayer,There was so many who came
up My pastor actually didnt have time to do his sermon.It was a very different but touching service.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PloverWing
Upvote 0

JCFantasy23

In a Kingdom by the Sea.
Jul 1, 2008
46,753
6,386
Lakeland, FL
✟517,127.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
I've always had a sermon, but sometimes it's shortened due to other things. I don't mind at all - there are many ways to worship and sometimes a sermon can be my least favorite part of the service, even if it is beneficial.
 
Upvote 0

Gwen-is-new!

The Lord is my rock!
Feb 25, 2016
484
207
United States
✟50,241.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
Last month Our pastor was led to have people who
needed prayer for healing come up for prayer,There was so many who came
up My pastor actually didnt have time to do his sermon.It was a very different but touching service.

This is common in the Pentecostal churches. Never had a healing service in my baptist church.
 
Upvote 0

Gwen-is-new!

The Lord is my rock!
Feb 25, 2016
484
207
United States
✟50,241.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
Is the pastor supposed to be "making disciples" and if so doesn't that entail teaching/preaching a sermon? I prefer to let the service go outside the allotted the time if necessary to get the sermon in. I think that it's a big problem confining the service to a time. It's the Lord's day. If you have to leave, then quietly leave.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Phil 1:21
Upvote 0

Paidiske

Clara bonam audax
Site Supporter
Apr 25, 2016
36,230
20,438
46
Albury, Australia
Visit site
✟1,836,254.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
I suspect that preaching is one of the least effective strategies in "making disciples," actually. As it's usually done, it's a very passive experience for the congregation, rather than participatory; and disciple-making works best when it's about shared experience and learning together.

(Like the old adage, "Tell me and I will forget, show me and I will remember, involve me and I will learn.")

I don't see the end of the sermon as we've known it any time soon, but as a pedagogical strategy, we actually could do much better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JCFantasy23
Upvote 0

Radagast

comes and goes
Site Supporter
Dec 10, 2003
23,896
9,877
✟367,481.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I suspect that preaching is one of the least effective strategies in "making disciples," actually.

That is a truly astonishing statement. I presume you've never heard a really good preacher (and, of course, most of the greatest preachers are dead).

But, of course, preaching is not the only strategy.
 
Upvote 0

Paidiske

Clara bonam audax
Site Supporter
Apr 25, 2016
36,230
20,438
46
Albury, Australia
Visit site
✟1,836,254.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
On the contrary; I have heard excellent preachers. I even have some evidence that on occasion I am an effective preacher.

But I explained my point; formative learning (disciple making) is best when it is about shared experience and life, about participation in what it is you want people to grow into. Rather than telling them about that and hoping that they can make the jump from being told to living it out.
 
Upvote 0

sunshineforJesus

is so in love with God
Feb 19, 2014
20,901
12,865
47
Sterling Ct
✟731,844.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
This is common in the Pentecostal churches. Never had a healing service in my baptist church.

I think we should have them more often,I couldn't believe how many needed a touch from God.
What I didn't like about that service was someone getting very loud in the spirit,screaming crying.
I was out the door very quickly when that happened.I dont know why but stuff like that makes me nervous.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Gwen-is-new!
Upvote 0

Dave-W

Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner!
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2014
30,522
16,855
Maryland - just north of D.C.
Visit site
✟772,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Have you ever been in a Church service where the pastor announced there would be no sermon due to special music, extended ministering to people at the front of the church (as evangelicals tend to do via "altar calls"), etc.?
Sure. many times.
 
Upvote 0

Dave-W

Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner!
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2014
30,522
16,855
Maryland - just north of D.C.
Visit site
✟772,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
This is common in the Pentecostal churches. Never had a healing service in my baptist church.
LOL. Depends on the Baptist.

SBC pastor Charles Simpson had them on a regular basis. :)
 
Upvote 0