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were does the bible talk about a thousand year peace????

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by BULWARK, Jun 6, 2002.

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  1. BULWARK

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    besides the book of revelations , were else does the bible talk about a thousand years of peace????

    Is this bible theology, besides the mention of it in revelations????

    and again!!

    Did other writers of the bible ever mention anything about a thousand yeas of peace besides this one place in this one book of revelations???
     
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  2. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi celtic,
    I think it would be pretty safe to say that in the book of Genesis God revealed His plan for Man. After He created the world in six days, He rested on the seventh day. Later He wanted the jews to know that this was a very special day, and He commanded them to keep it Holy. With that in mind, look at this scripture:

    2 Peter 3:8 - "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends; With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

    This by itself doesn't prove that Christ will one day rule, but add this scripture to that one: Rev. 20:6
    "Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him a thousand years." (this one does prove it)

    Now for the peace part. Notice in in the first part of Chapter 20, where the Angel throws Satan into the abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.(verse #3)

    How could anyone, knowing that Christ will reign this world for a thousand years believe that He, being God will not keep it orderly and without the influence of Satan?? When Christ returns, it will be to put a stop to mans corruption, which was brought in by Satan in the garden of Eden 6 thousand years earlier,(six days of creation).
    Matt.24: 21-22 - "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-- and never to be equaled again. (22)If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." Vengence belongs to Christ, and so does the entire world that He created. For more info on this, I would urge you to read my thread, "MY DELIVERER IS COMIN'!!". See ya
     
  3. Brian45

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    They shall not enter my rest , this is Gods sabbath day , the last 1000 years . Go read your bible !
     
  4. BULWARK

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    ybrian,
    I think it is you that needs to read the scriptures dude because that is not what my bible says or and bible interpretation that I have ever come across????? :scratch:
     
  5. BULWARK

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    I see were your coming from hear thunder and I have thaught about these things before but I do find it strange that every other prophesy is mentioned in every book of the bible and yet this pradiction of a 1000 raign of christ is oly mentioned once.

    I see what your saying but I realy don`t see that is what the scriptures were indicating or even pointing to when the apostles said it.

    I see the resurection from the dead every were I look. the great judgment is in every chapter almost and the new heaven and earth but this thousand years of peace was only mentioned once only????

    why do youi think that is THUNDER.

    I have always believed in this thousand year piece but I don`t think I can believe it any more thunder , I just can`t find solid scripture for it.

    can you??? anything else besides this.

    it doesn`t even seem to be mentioned in the apocrapha or other apocalipsis writing either.

    have you noticed this before thunder??
     
  6. ZiSunka

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    crosswalk.com has an acceptable bible search.

    It is mentioned 6 times in Revelation, but no where else that I can see.

    I don't know where Brian's quotation above is from.
     
  7. BULWARK

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    Hi Lamb,
    thanks for that sight , I think I been there before.

    yea , these scriptures in revelations are there but I find it strange that it isn`t mentioned anywere else in christian doctrine.

    why do you think that is lambs???
     
  8. OldBadfish

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    BULWARK, I merged your 2 threads together. :)
     
  9. BULWARK

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    good on ya mate , thanks bad fish.
     
  10. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi Bulwark,
    Don't be so quick to give up friend. The reason you don't find what you are looking for, is because it may also be under other terms, such as the day of the Lord, the Lords Sabbath day or the Lords rest. Keep searching and keep the faith and you will receive a great reward when He comes. Never give up!! Keep fighting the good fight!!
     
  11. Brian45

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    Sorry Bulwark , I wasn't being agro just direct . Hebrews 4:3 is where you will find what I was talking about .
     
  12. BULWARK

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    I see what your saying hear THUNDER, I will give these things more thaught. you may be on to something hear.

    I think this is what you were talking about to brian wasn`t it???

    thanks guys

    BULWARK
     
  13. Mandy

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    Although it doesn't specifically mention 1000 years,
    check out 1 Corithians 15: 23-25.
     
  14. BULWARK

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    Mandy,
    I see what your saying and it could appear that Paul is splitting the resurrection into the resurrection of the saints separate to the time of the end were Jesus hands it all back.

    Weather this scripture is suggesting the time period of a 1000 yrs peace or it isn’t doesn’t matter to me because this scripture alone tells me so much about the future hope already.

    Thanks for this scripture; it does seem to suggest a separation between the resurrection of the saints and the new heaven and earth.




    22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must rein until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[


    After giving it a bit of thought I notice the verse separates it’s self into a couple of stages;


    23But each in his own turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father



    First stage was the first fruits, which was the resurrection of Jesus. Then, when he comes he will raise those that belong to him.

    After this it gets sketchy because it says, "then the end will come". Is this suggesting that the end will come after Christ returns because the only time I know of were he hands the kingdom to the father is in the new heaven and earth.

    I figure there isn’t really too much room for 1000 yrs of peace hear and this is what I keep getting all through the bible. When the prophets talked of the end it was always the resurrection then judgment then the new earth that seems to be the same as what Paul is saying hear.

    The writer of revelations is the only one to change his direction on this constant prediction and add a thousand years between the resurrection of the saints and then the last resurrection 1000 yrs later, which is the resurrection of those who will be judged.

    I see how people have used bible numerology and doctrines to try to expand this 1000 yrs to make it appear all through the bible but as I check it out it becomes very unconvincing so I am really back at square 1 hear again after a few more hours of study on this subject.

    As for Jesus being our Sabbath rest, well, Christ is my Sabbath rest right now; he did that on the cross. Did I get that right THUNDER and brain???

    THUNDER, could you tell me more about this Idea of Jesus being our Sabbath rest in relation to the 1000 yrs peace so I can grasp that idea better???

    I thought about the stages of time that are split up, i.e., the 6000 yr period until Christ and then the 7th day is a thousand yrs of his reign but I have a huge problem with this idea. I am a historian and I know for a fact that our civilization alone is 8 thousand yrs only and that is even before the flood of Noah so this Idea is like saying the world is flat.

    Can someone tell me why Christianity keeps insisting that the worlds civilization is only 6 000 yrs old from the first human man because there is so much evidence against it that it just isn’t sensible to believe things like the world was flat because we aren’t game enough to test the truth.

    Christian dark ages kept Christians more ignorant than any other age in the last 6000 yrs. They insisted the world was flat and any scientist or intellect that suggested other wise was a heretic. I got to wonder if Christianity is doing this again with this 6000 yrs idea for human history because it is simply not true.

    So that throws the whole 6000 yrs till Christ and 1000 yrs of his right for me totally out the window on these grounds and even exposes to me how easily we can make up doctrines from the bible to say anything we believe it to mean.

    THUNDER, I am hoping you can help me in this area because I simply can’t see that the 1000 yrs is the Sabbath rein and I defiantly can’t see a 6000 yr time period and then a time of 1000 yrs to finish a 7000 yr cycle of gods creation. That is inaccurate doctrine hear thunder because civilization from our own age is longer that 6000 yrs and the bible even includes another age in this time before the flood of noah. There is no way these things all took place in a short time span of 6000 yrs.
     
  15. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi BULWARK,
    I must disagree with you here brother. Most of our modern scientists believe the Big Bang theory of evolution and the world is 100's of millions years old. Some of the have converted to believe the bible is true. Dr. Carl Baugh is one of these, and he has said that the earth is young, not old like he used to believe. He said that the preasure of the flood caused the earths firmament to bust, and thus altering the atmosphere. Now we have the O-zone problem. He believes that before the flood, there was twice the oxygen that we have today. This is how Adam and the first members of the human race were able to live so long. He also says this is what killed the dinasaurs. He says that carbon dating is not correct because everything has changed.

    Did you read, MY DELIVERER IS COMIN'!!?? One lady in my Bible study class said she had to read it three times before it finally sunk in. Pay close attention to the scriptures that the Lord gave me. And pray for the Holy Spirit to give you understanding.
     
  16. MARANATHA2002

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    BULWARK

    As mentioned earlier, the verses in scripture that support a 1000 year reign of CHRIST are Revelation Chapter 20 verses 1-7. The 1000 year period is mention 6 times here.

    2nd Peter Chapter 3 verse 8, says a day is as a 1000 years to GOD, and 2nd Peter Chapter 3 verse 8 is paralleled by Psalm Chapter 90 verse 4.

    In Isaiah Chapters 11-19 are referring to the day of the LORD. Chapters 11 and 12 specifically. Where the lions and bears lay with the sheep and cattle, and a child leads them. This does not happen in nature today, but will be the norm during the 1000 years of CHRIST’S rule. Chapters 13-19, are referring to the judgments CHRIST is placing on different kingdoms, and defining their places in the 1000 kingdom. You should also notice when reading Isaiah 11-19, direct parallels to Revelation.

    The day of the LORD, is a day that last a 1000 years. During the first weeks of this day, CHRIST will be setting up the kingdom structure. I believe this is what we are reading here in Isaiah. Hope this helps. Peace, but not yet.
     
  17. MARANATHA2002

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    I would also like to suggest that you read all of Isaiah. When you see the phrase "in that day" I believe this is referring to the day of the LORD, CHRIST'S 1000 year kingdom. I believe this would also apply to Jeremiah. Peace, but not yet.
     
  18. BULWARK

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    I think you missed what I was saying THUNDER because I to don’t believe in evolution and I believe the bible it true as well.

    I wasn’t talking about these things THUNDER but rather I was just referring to the civilization of modern man.

    Our civilization since the times of the flood and Noah.

    Even if we miss out the history of Adam, Seth, Enoch and Noah, we still have civilization starting in the Mesopotamia around 6 to 7 thousand yrs BC. That makes our civilization alone, older than 8000 yrs old.

    I agree with a lot of DR Carl Baughs “theories” THUNDER and know them well. I do not agree with everything he says, maybe that would make an interesting discussion but maybe in another forum, actually, it is a very interesting subject, lets look at it’s now :D



    Even if most of the “theories “ about the flood and the changes in the earth are true and yes I would also subscribe to the “theory” that the world is younger than what science would have us believe but not as young as what DR Carl’s says, not in my opinion.

    Hear are a couple of reasons why;

    1. We have good evidence of two human species. The Neanderthal and the homo sapient around 30, 000 yrs ago thay both came out of a time of change were the Neanderthal was wiped out and the homo sapient survived.

    2. There is a well-proven way of dating things through our civilization as far back as this time, which was most likely, not an ice age but a flood. When we look at the early Egyptians, Babylonians and Sumerian we can tell those time periods easily and accurately and they alone go further than 8000 yrs


    THUNDER, look at what this scripture says about what these 7 days of creations are.

    Genesis 2
    4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    1. Notice it calls them the “generations” and not days.
    2. Also notice that is calls all 7 days one single day. “The day the lord made heaven and earth”.

    I get the impression that “a day” doesn't mean a literal day. It seems to suggest that the night and the day were created before the sun and the moon. Did you notice this THUNDER??

    So all said and done, I figure there is no room for a 6000 yr line through to the first man on earth, “Adam”. If we look at a clearly accurate time line, that would put Adam, the first man” in the times of the first Egyptian dynasties, so you can see how I find it hard to believe.

    Hear is a cut from the Encarta encyclopedia

    do you see why I have problems hear?? History has told a diffrent story.

    BULWARK
     
  19. BULWARK

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    Hi Manhattan,
    In reply to a few things you have said;



    Yea, I can see the 1000 in revelations but when I take the book of revelations away, I can’t see any shore evidence of it taught by other prophets and apostles.



    Yea, but this doesn't declare a thousand year peace though Manhattan.


    I have read Isaiah many times, he is my favorite prophet, I agree that he is the best messianic prophet but I disagree that with other interpretations like the judgment of nations you give hear.

    For a start, Babylon has been destroyed exactly as Isaiah said it would and it has never risen again as predicted.

    Secondly, Isaiah lived before the Assyrians came and destroyed Israel and spread them all over the world. A lot of these judgments have taken place most defiantly and some of these predictions are about the destruction of Isreal by the Assyrian armies.

    I disagree that these judgments are future wars or gods future judgment for the most part.

    I had a thread on a subject that went right into studying a couple of prophecies given by Isaiah between these chapters you have given. Not every thing you read in the bible is for the future brother.

    Hear is a link to that thread if your interested in some of the things we discovered while studying these chapters. (It is the discussion between me and Acts)

    http://www.christianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?S=&threadid=11617&perpage=10&display=&pagenumber=3


    A lot of people put that another way. I would say that bro THUNDER would say that the 7 days of creation are 6000 yrs till the return of Christ and the seventh day is the Sabbath day or the day of rest or the thousand yrs of peace or the kingdom of god.

    Most Christians that believe in a thousand year peace believe that don’t they thunder??? That is what I was taught and what I figure THUNDER is saying too.

    As for the day of the lord, I do believe there will coming a day, called the great and terrible day of the lord were he will return and over through the gentile powers.

    I do see that but the thing is, I don’t see a thousand year period after it??? Look at what peter says happens in the day of the lord’s judgment. He says that the earth will be dissolved and everything will evaporate.

    Take notice of what peter tells use to look forward to, as saints.
    . A new heaven and earth. Not a thousand year rein on earth???

    2 Peter 3
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelled righteousness.


    How can we look for a kingdom hears on earth??? Peter says to look forward to what every other prophet says to, “the resurrection and the judgment and the new heaven and earth.”

    That is the hope of the saints then and it should be our hope now. Paul tells a similar story in length in Corinthians.



    You make an interesting point with these terms “the lords day” and “in that day”; you could be right in these all referring to the time of the end.

    The question would still remain;

    1. Is the Lord’s Day a 1000 yrs long or the terrible judgment on mans sin and the consummation of the heaven and earth???
    2. Are all the promises of peace and prosperity given with these terms referring to 1000 yrs peace hear on earth with Christ or in the new heaven and earth???
     
  20. rollinTHUNDER

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    Now this is the same ole celtic that I remember. :D
    Still tripping over your history. Yeah, I can see where you still have some major issues to work out. To me, the word of God takes presidence over every other book. If something contradicts it, I throw it out, no matter what it is. I guess there are many different degrees of faith. Some are as small as a mustard seed. Let God's word be truth, and every man a liar. I put much faith in the word, but there are lots of people making a lot of claims, but not many that can prove it. I don't believe everything I read. But I do have one question for you.

    What came first, God's word or the History from mans point of view?? If you put more trust in the works of History, or any of mans teachings for that matter, then I can see why you have these problems to work out.
     
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