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I attended RCIA for the first time the other day. It was an interesting time, part of me wanted to stand up and debate, i didnt though (wrong time and place, would have been rude) and is a feeling that I natrually expected to feel.

I arrived pretty early so I went into the sactuary to pray and then I meandered and studied the "stations of the cross" that were carved into the wall as well as the altar area which a church member said I could approach to have a closer look. The tabernacle where the consecrated eucharist is stored is a beautiful glimmering gold box and the altar was draped in gorgeous purple cloth. At the doors to the chapel their were bowls of what I believe are holy water which is pretty neat.

If not doctrine, Catholics certainly have us beat when it comes to setting the mood visually.

After that I meandered to the back of the building to find a cradle catholic waiting at the door named Mary Ann, a wonderful lady I might add. We went in and talked for about 20 minutes awaiting for the rest of the class.

When the teacher showed up we exchanged pleasentries and told each other about ourselves and how I went to the seminary down the road and had no intentions to convert. She smiled and thought it was awesome that I was there. Then the class came and she introduced me and said If I keep coming that I may be able to explain what I believe and add to the discussions a different perspective which surprised me, but I would love and jump at the chance to do so.

The priest came and he was a really nice man, and he taught on the Eucharist. He opened up with "If you have faith," says Jesus, "this is my body, this is my blood..." and introduced to us the idea of "real presence" and the idea of "re-presenting." He said that what happens at the altar is an "unbloody sacrifice" and is not a "re-sacrifice" of Jesus which he did once for all.

Then he went into historical background into the passover meal itself. I didnt write down what he said about the bread, but concerning the wine he said "the wine at the passover meal symbolized the blood of the lamb" that the israelites put over their doors. I found that to be an interesting tidbit.

One thing I found especially interesting was the reason he gave for the repition of the Lord's Prayer before recieving communion. He contrasted this:

Mat 5:23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

with:

Mat 6:12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

One lady I talked to after the class didnt like me, she asked if I was converting, I said "no, I'm just here to learn." Then she asked me if I was going to be a baptist minister and when I said yes, her demeanor totally changed and she began to argue with me and implied I was there to take money some how. I told her I was confused and didnt know what she was talking about. She told me we'd "discuss it another day" and walked away.

My only beef with the priest was his use of "colorful language," the flippant use of "god" in his speech, and his brief refrence to liking the wine too much and disliking the wine they use for lent. Plus somehow we got into discussing nuclear weapons :p .

Mary Ann drove me home which was very nice and said she'd pick me up and drive me back next week. I am going to take her up on it.

Thats it.. thats my experiance. :)
 

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The Lord's Envoy,

I'm happy you had a good experience-except for that lady who got after you lol. I have been to several RCIA classes, and a have witnessed a few of their rites (Rite of Election, Rite of Acceptance, scrutnies, etc.) I already had great knowledge about the RC faith by studying it on and off for years, but had a lot of questions pertaining to why they believe this or that. I guess I asked one too many questions because the parish priest got really mad at me one time.

I really want to go experience Triduum-just to have the experience. I might go this year, but I'll probably put it off until next year.

Diane
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Diane_Windsor said:
The Lord's Envoy,

I'm happy you had a good experience-except for that lady who got after you lol. I have been to several RCIA classes, and a have witnessed a few of their rites (Rite of Election, Rite of Acceptance, scrutnies, etc.) I already had great knowledge about the RC faith by studying it on and off for years, but had a lot of questions pertaining to why they believe this or that. I guess I asked one too many questions because the parish priest got really mad at me one time.

I really want to go experience Triduum-just to have the experience. I might go this year, but I'll probably put it off until next year.

Diane
:)

:p It happens. :)

I've been invited to attend peoples confirmations which I am going to try and do, and also been invited to the saturday night mass before easter. I am going to go to that and observe. Fascinating stuff I think.
 
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The Lord's Envoy said:
Then he went into historical background into the passover meal itself. I didnt write down what he said about the bread, but concerning the wine he said "the wine at the passover meal symbolized the blood of the lamb" that the israelites put over their doors. I found that to be an interesting tidbit.

Hey, i could have told you that :p

One thing I found especially interesting was the reason he gave for the repition of the Lord's Prayer before recieving communion. He contrasted this:

Mat 5:23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

with:

Mat 6:12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

I can see a logic in saying the Lord's Prayer, but how is the Lord's Table associated with bringing OUR gift to the alter? (Jesus was the ultimate Sacrafice, so we do not have to use the blood of animals, or anything else. Soooo.........turning away from sin and giving ourselves to the Lord totally before we partake in the Lord's Table, is our sacrafice, i take it?)
 
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Iollain said:
I can see a logic in saying the Lord's Prayer, but how is the Lord's Table associated with bringing OUR gift to the alter? (Jesus was the ultimate Sacrafice, so we do not have to use the blood of animals, or anything else. Soooo.........turning away from sin and giving ourselves to the Lord totally before we partake in the Lord's Table, is our sacrafice, i take it?)

Have you been to a Catholic mass and noticed the offertory that precedes the Eucharist? At that time, they are not just taking a collection of money, but members of the congregation bring in bread and wine and present them to be used for the Eucharist. Of course, in Catholic churches, they use special wine and little wafers, which the church purchases, but they are purchased out of the money that is collected from the members. (In Orthodox churches, members of the congregation actually bake the bread and present it at this point in the liturgy.)

So in the Catholic mass, the congregation actually does bring their gifts to the altar to be used to re-present the sacrifice. It's not their sacrifice, but it is their gifts that are used to celebrate it.
 
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The Lord's Envoy said:
One lady I talked to after the class didnt like me, she asked if I was converting, I said "no, I'm just here to learn." Then she asked me if I was going to be a baptist minister and when I said yes, her demeanor totally changed and she began to argue with me and implied I was there to take money some how. I told her I was confused and didnt know what she was talking about. She told me we'd "discuss it another day" and walked away.
:D... At least you weren't chased out of the church by a dozen old mothers from Italy waving their purses and cursing in Italian. :D
 
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Crazy Liz said:
Have you been to a Catholic mass and noticed the offertory that precedes the Eucharist? At that time, they are not just taking a collection of money, but members of the congregation bring in bread and wine and present them to be used for the Eucharist. Of course, in Catholic churches, they use special wine and little wafers, which the church purchases, but they are purchased out of the money that is collected from the members. (In Orthodox churches, members of the congregation actually bake the bread and present it at this point in the liturgy.)

So in the Catholic mass, the congregation actually does bring their gifts to the altar to be used to re-present the sacrifice. It's not their sacrifice, but it is their gifts that are used to celebrate it.

Ohhh....i understand now. Thanks.
 
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Hey Mark, I am glad you enjoyed it! Sorry about that woman who took a disliking to you - we are a Church full of sinners, thats for sure. I am glad you found a friend in MaryAnn.
I don't know if you noticed this time, but next time check out the stained-glass windows, they're pretty interesting, and a guy with good biblical knowledge like yourself can figure out which Bible stories they are representing. :)
 
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Caedmon said:
:D... At least you weren't chased out of the church by a dozen old mothers from Italy waving their purses and cursing in Italian. :D

^_^ That would have been nuts and certainly would have made for a more exciting story.

ps139 said:
Hey Mark, I am glad you enjoyed it! Sorry about that woman who took a disliking to you - we are a Church full of sinners, thats for sure. I am glad you found a friend in MaryAnn.
I don't know if you noticed this time, but next time check out the stained-glass windows, they're pretty interesting, and a guy with good biblical knowledge like yourself can figure out which Bible stories they are representing. :)

There was one stained glass window I was going to ask you guys about but I forgot. On the way there I pass by a convent which has little purple flowers all over the lawn. When I got to the church and was having a look around one one side you have a stained glass window with one of those purple flowers in it. What does that flower represent do you know?

I will keep an eye out though.
 
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I'm glad you enjoyed the class Mark. :) I will pray that you will continue to enjoy the classes and that you will learn a great deal from going. I would honestly encourage anyone interested in learning about Catholicism to take a class like that. I have not taken the classes and will convert this Easter but I do plan on going to the classes when they start in the Fall. Of course, there is a lof of time between now and then and so I don't know for sure if I'll be able to attend but I hope I will be able to. :)

God Bless You All,
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The Lord's Envoy said:
There was one stained glass window I was going to ask you guys about but I forgot. On the way there I pass by a convent which has little purple flowers all over the lawn. When I got to the church and was having a look around one one side you have a stained glass window with one of those purple flowers in it. What does that flower represent do you know?

I will keep an eye out though.

I find iconography very interesting, too, so I'd be interested to hear if the purple flower represents anything. I will say, though, that I have noticed local elements in some iconography that don't seem to represent anything except associating whatever is depicted with the local area or church, or perhaps even to represent the donor. If the purpose is of this nature, the local or personal item is usually quite small and/or in the background, rather than, say, something a person is holding. Anything a person in religious art is holding is likely to be a symbol identifying the person, such as St. Catherine's wheel. St. Anthony of Padua looks just like St. Francis, except Francis usually holds a bird and Anthony holds a child.

So the significance of the flower may depend on whether it is the main subject of the window, is something a person is holding, or something in the background or frame.
 
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Holly3278 said:
I'm glad you enjoyed the class Mark. :) I will pray that you will continue to enjoy the classes and that you will learn a great deal from going. I would honestly encourage anyone interested in learning about Catholicism to take a class like that. I have not taken the classes and will convert this Easter but I do plan on going to the classes when they start in the Fall. Of course, there is a lof of time between now and then and so I don't know for sure if I'll be able to attend but I hope I will be able to. :)

God Bless You All,
Holly :wave:

Hi Holly! :wave: I was wondering where you'd end up.
 
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RCIA has helped me grow closer to God. I've been having some serious problems with doubt, but my teachers have helped me to believe. If I didn't have the Catholic Church, I'd probably be an agnostic right now. I pray that RCIA can be as much a blessing to you as it has been to me.
 
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too cool thanks for sharing. The Easter Vigil mass is super fantastic. I am sure you will really enjoy it. I hope they have told you that it lasts 2-3 hours. ours normally lasts 2 1/2 hours. Thursday before easter's mass is also special. i look forward to reading more of your experience. I also wonder about the purple flowers. i don't know anything about them.

all for JESUS!!
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The Lord's Envoy said:
and also been invited to the saturday night mass before easter. I am going to go to that and observe. Fascinating stuff I think.

If you're able to go to the Easter Vigil, do go! It is probably the most elaborate and beautiful Mass of the year. If you liked the asthetics of the church when it was empty, just wait for the Vigil! I don't know if you'd be able to make it on Good Friday, but if you are, that's a very solemn, but beautiful service (not a Mass) as well.
 
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The Lord's Envoy said:
^_^ That would have been nuts and certainly would have made for a more exciting story.



There was one stained glass window I was going to ask you guys about but I forgot. On the way there I pass by a convent which has little purple flowers all over the lawn. When I got to the church and was having a look around one one side you have a stained glass window with one of those purple flowers in it. What does that flower represent do you know?

I will keep an eye out though.

If the purple flower is a violet, it stands for faithfulness.
 
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If the purple flower is a violet, it stands for faithfulness.
Sounds good to me! :)
I've never seen purple flowers prominent on a stained glass window, it could be to represent faithfulness, it could also be a local thing like Liz said. I guess I'd have to see it to make an edicated guess.
 
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ps139 said:
Sounds good to me! :)
I've never seen purple flowers prominent on a stained glass window, it could be to represent faithfulness, it could also be a local thing like Liz said. I guess I'd have to see it to make an edicated guess.

an "edicated" guess huh :thumbsup::D
 
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