Well, duh...

[The Barbarian]

Because it's possible to lose genetic information.

Mostly, we gain genetic information. Adam and Eve, between the two of them, could have had at most, four alleles for each gene locus. Yet modern human populations have hundreds of them for most gene loci. All the rest evolved, and each one increased information in the population. Would you like me to show you the numbers for a simple case? You could follow the calculations with nothing more than high school math.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

New? Ive been a Christian for about 22 years and my pastor was preaching this when I first got saved. Along the lines of scientists have never found evidence of any mutation providing beneficial changes, additional information or new DNA. Mutations have only ever resulted in simpler or faulty changes.

What I think this should say is scientific evidence accepted by Christian scientists decades ago has found its way into slightly more mainstream acceptance. there is nothing new about it.

 

[-57]

There is no "de-evolution." That's common superstition. There is just evolution. (change in allele frequency in a population over time)

Blind cave fish.

 

[-57]

That's a supersition, too. God never said Adam was perfect.

I think you know what I meant. Then again you really don't believe in Adam. Of course you'll have to change who Adam is and force it to meet some nonbiblical conclusion.

 

[-57]

Mostly, we gain genetic information. Adam and Eve, between the two of them, could have had at most, four alleles for each gene locus. Yet modern human populations have hundreds of them for most gene loci. All the rest evolved, and each one increased information in the population. Would you like me to show you the numbers for a simple case? You could follow the calculations with nothing more than high school math.

Heterozygosity

 

[The Barbarian]

Mostly, we gain genetic information. Adam and Eve, between the two of them, could have had at most, four alleles for each gene locus. Yet modern human populations have hundreds of them for most gene loci. All the rest evolved, and each one increased information in the population. Would you like me to show you the numbers for a simple case? You could follow the calculations with nothing more than high school math.

Heterozygosity

Heterozygosity would account for 4 of them. The remaining hundred or so for each gene evolved. You see, we only get 2 sets of genes, which means we can have only 2 alleles at most for each gene. Two people could have at most, 4 of them.

Capice?

 

[The Barbarian]

I think you know what I meant. Then again you really don't believe in Adam.

If you don't believe in Adam, then one of us doesn't. Is that the problem here?

Of course you'll have to change who Adam is

What it it turns out, that it's not Adam, but someone with the same name? (WFTH-I)

and force it to meet some nonbiblical conclusion.

That would be (for example) claiming, with no Biblical support, that Adam was "perfect."

 

[The Barbarian]

Blind cave fish.

Which are evolved to be more fit than fish with functional eyes. Would you like to learn how?

 

[-57]

Mostly, we gain genetic information. Adam and Eve, between the two of them, could have had at most, four alleles for each gene locus. Yet modern human populations have hundreds of them for most gene loci. All the rest evolved, and each one increased information in the population. Would you like me to show you the numbers for a simple case? You could follow the calculations with nothing more than high school math.


Heterozygosity would account for 4 of them. The remaining hundred or so for each gene evolved. You see, we only get 2 sets of genes, which means we can have only 2 alleles at most for each gene. Two people could have at most, 4 of them.

Capice?

Adam and Eve didn't evolve...They were created...Capice??????

 

[-57]

Which are evolved to be more fit than fish with functional eyes. Would you like to learn how?

No, the genes used to create eyes...the coding...was lost. But being in a dark cave it really didn't matter. But, then again you already knew that.

 

[-57]

That would be (for example) claiming, with no Biblical support, that Adam was "perfect."

Adam and Eve being made very good...and their long life spans...despite the fall is pretty much biblical support.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Mostly, we gain genetic information. Adam and Eve, between the two of them, could have had at most, four alleles for each gene locus. Yet modern human populations have hundreds of them for most gene loci. All the rest evolved, and each one increased information in the population. Would you like me to show you the numbers for a simple case? You could follow the calculations with nothing more than high school math.

Adam and Eve were the first people, not the only people. If you think they were the only people created who did Cain marry?

 

[The Barbarian]

Adam and Eve were the first people, not the only people.

If they were the first, then all of us are descended from them. So again only 4 alleles from them. If you want to argue that their offspring interbred with other people not descended from them, I 'd be open to your reasons you believe that.

 

[The Barbarian]

Adam and Eve being made very good...

Not perfect. O.K.

 

[The Barbarian]

No, the genes used to create eyes...the coding...was lost.

No. The genes are still there, just not expressed.
The cavefish genome reveals candidate genes for eye loss

But being in a dark cave it really didn't matter.

It matters a lot. Eyes take a lot of resources and energy, not only to make, but to operate. So by only producing rudimentary eyes that don't function, the fish gains an advantage over fish that do have eyes.

But, then if you don't know much about biology, you wouldn't know that.

 

[The Barbarian]

Adam and Eve didn't evolve...

Actually, you're right, for all the wrong reasons. Individuals don't evolve. Populations do.

They were created...

They were. You just don't approve of the way God did it. The important thing to remember is that they could have only had 4 alleles for each gene locus. The other hundred or so for each gene evolved since then.

 

[-57]

Adam and Eve were the first people, not the only people. If you think they were the only people created who did Cain marry?

His sister.

 

[-57]

Actually, you're right, for all the wrong reasons. Individuals don't evolve. Populations do.



They were. You just don't approve of the way God did it. The important thing to remember is that they could have only had 4 alleles for each gene locus. The other hundred or so for each gene evolved since then.

Bible say Eve was formed from Adams rib....furthest thing from evolutionism.

Bible says Eve was the mother of all. Once again rules out evolutionism.

 

[The Barbarian]

Bible say Eve was formed from Adams rib....furthest thing from evolutionism.

This is one of many reasons the text of Genesis 1 and 2 tells you that it's not a literal history.

Bible says Eve was the mother of all. Once again rules out evolutionism.

It rules out the creationist invention of "evolutionism", but of course, it's completely consistent with the fact of evolution.

 

[-57]

This is one of many reasons the text of Genesis 1 and 2 tells you that it's not a literal history.

You never really explained it, but that's OK...you never do.

You do understand Paul presented Genesis as literal and historical...you can find it in Timothy. Would you like me to show you the verse?

It rules out the creationist invention of "evolutionism", but of course, it's completely consistent with the fact of evolution.

Once again..typical of you....no explanation.