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Welfare recipeints to get drug testing!

Dewjunkie

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Originally posted by Brimshack
(The rationale for testing you is certainly not an effeort to see yhow you spend public monies; it is to make sure that you aren't stoned yourself when you chase me down U.S. 89 because you think my car has ilegally changed shape on a public highway. 


That is hilarious!! 

So, you're saying that ensuring that the athletic market is free of drug users is a more viable reason to compromise a right than is the attempt to protect widely used public monies from being abused?  

I didn't try to say that public safety would be enhanced by testing welfare applicants, if that idea came across in my post I worded something wrong.  I used the law enforcement referrence to illustrate that to get what I wanted I apparently surrendered my right, and that it would be justifiable to ask that people who want access to public money do the same.  After all, in the end welfare and my salary all come out of the same pot.       
 
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Yes, that's wht I am saying. And I realize that you are not arguing public safety is the issue. My point is that the public safety rationale is the only viable rationale that I find acceptable. Even that argument requires a hefty dose of judicial activism, but then again I don't purport to be a strict constructionist. What disturbs me is that the number of exceptions is multiplying, even to the point where it is no longer recognized that such a procedure constitutes a search in the first place.

Since it appears that we are both tireless responders, I am wondering if you wish to shift topics and go after affirmative action. I fear the alternative is post 567 'No!', post 568 'yes!'
 
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I don´t get, why so many people oppose welfare.
A fundamental drive of humanity is to want to live. No welfare means, that there is no possibility to legally get money to get by. Therefore switching to illegal means. Which would cause more troubles and cost the community much more money. It just doesn´t make sense to stop welfare programs and triple the expenditures of police and justice.

Mandatory Drug testing is not right. The welfare recipient has no choice but go on welfare program. The welfare recipient is not working in an area, in which he could get himself or others in danger when using drugs. Unlike government employees, which have the choice to work for the government or not. No one working for the government can tell me, that this was the only job available to him.
 
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Originally posted by Brimshack


Since it appears that we are both tireless responders, I am wondering if you wish to shift topics and go after affirmative action. I fear the alternative is post 567 'No!', post 568 'yes!'

 

I'd be more than happy to jion in a debate against affirmative action, if you want to start it!
 
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Mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients is an ineffectual way of dealing with a symptom of a problem. If anyone thinks that people on welfare have enough money to support a national drug habit then they don't understand the drug culture. The people who are putting the money into the black market drug economy are people with sufficient discretionary funds and people on welfare don't get that kind of money even if they have half a dozen children. The proponents of such laws as mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients are just looking for a scapegoat to hide their ineptness at dealing with the problem so that they can shift the attention away from the real problem.

The real money in illegal drugs is in cocaine, which is why you always see tons of that drug on the news when the police make a bust. A gram of cocaine will sell on the street for about $40.00, more or less, depending on the purity. That gram of cocaine will fit on a teaspoon and will last a user part of an evening if the user has a friend. No one on welfare can afford such a luxurious expenditure of cash for such a short period high so the main problem in the drug culture must be with the middle class and the well-to-do class. It is not politic to go after the very people who have the means to do cocaine, because they support the economy in other ways, so they go after the ones who are least in need of such regulation and who are the most defenceless.

The next biggest money maker in the drug culture is marijuana. This non-addictive smoking drug costs from sixty to a hundred dollar for a quarter ounce, depending on the high grade quality, and that will last a regular user about a week if the user smokes about 3 to 5 joints a day. The price for this drug for a regular user is also beyond the reach of someone on welfare. If the two most popular drugs on the market are beyond the fiscal means of welfare users, then why bother testing them at all? Instead of making ineffectual attempts at slowing down a symptom, why isn't the government dealing with the source of the problem?

Prohibition has been shown by history to not work if the rationale behind instituting it is flawed. The government is never going to eradicate drug use from among the populace as long as people want to do drugs, especially since the government is profiting off of the most lethal drug on the market, which is tobacco. The government's war on drugs is for the sole reason that they wish to protect their multi-billion dollar drug market for tobacco. Tobacco is the most carcinogenic product on the market and the government knows this, which is why they are forced to print the dangers of it on the packages. They know that tobacco kills or causes disease in every person who smokes, but still they sell it. The only way to eliminate the drug problem is to take the first step and that is to make addictive drugs illegal, and non-addictive drugs legal. The worst drug on the market is not cocaine, or heroin, or meth, or any of those other phony exscuses for a drug war, but it is tobacco.
 
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Originally posted by Brimshack
Since it appears that we are both tireless responders, I am wondering if you wish to shift topics and go after affirmative action. I fear the alternative is post 567 'No!', post 568 'yes!'

 

I agree we are moving quickly towards "because I said" as a valid response.  I will be more than happy to discuss AA whenever you're ready. 
 
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