Welfare payments to support those in need

[Hawisher]

When the government is wasting money and our debt is HUGE.

Our debt is a non-issue. What money is the government wasting, and how does that compare to its overall income?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Our debt is a non-issue. What money is the government wasting, and how does that compare to its overall income?

How can debt be a non-issue?

 

[Hawisher]

How can debt be a non-issue?

What problems is our debt causing us?

 

[dogs4thewin]

What problems is our debt causing us?

high taxes poor economy.

 

[Hawisher]

high taxes poor economy.

Can you provide evidence of this? Because our taxes are way lower than they were at times when we had lower national debt, and I don't really see a link between the national debt and the poor economy.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Can you provide evidence of this? Because our taxes are way lower than they were at times when we had lower national debt, and I don't really see a link between the national debt and the poor economy.

If they cut spending they can actually bring the debt down, that is across the board including entitlement programs. I am in disability myself and it would suit me for them to just drop it entirely.

 

[Hawisher]

If they cut spending they can actually bring the debt down, that is across the board including entitlement programs. I am in disability myself and it would suit me for them to just drop it entirely.

That's great, but you ignored my question asking you to demonstrate that the national debt was problematic.

 

[rturner76]

If they cut spending they can actually bring the debt down, that is across the board including entitlement programs. I am in disability myself and it would suit me for them to just drop it entirely.

That would be noble for you to send your check back but for the people that need their disability checks, it would leave many people literally with no way to have a means to have shelter over their heads.

Dropping the program entirely would be catastrophic. We would have third world conditions for droves of people. People laying in their own feces and unable to get food for themselves.

I work with disabled people and without the staff and shelter their checks pay for they would have no personal care and be completely at the mercy of the elements. Some have no family to care for them.

You would favor this human condition in order to remove this expanse from the government?

 

[Neenie]

If they cut spending they can actually bring the debt down, that is across the board including entitlement programs. I am in disability myself and it would suit me for them to just drop it entirely.

I've never liked christians and the church, not many people do. But I am blown away....

 

[Hawisher]

I've never liked christians and the church, not many people do.

Er... what? That's a phenomenally bold claim.

 

[Neenie]

Yeah it is, but so is saying disability support entitlements should be dropped ENTIRELY. Look, I apologize for the bold claim, it wasn’t directed at you sorry for offending all Christians. But was directed at politically conservative Christians.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yeah it is, but so is saying disability support entitlements should be dropped ENTIRELY. Look, I apologize for the bold claim, it wasn’t directed at you sorry for offending all Christians. But was directed at politically conservative Christians.

Look, let me asks you this from a STRICTLY bottom line stand point, if you take all the people who will retire and use social security ( regular) and you take the people of any age that are disabled which percentage is greater. Well the first one, so if you MUST cut spending which we must get our spending under control. Would it not make more sense to cut the entitlement program from which fewer people benefit (entirely or in part) for example, maybe knocking people like myself off that have NEVER worked before and keeping those who have paid in and earned it? It is cold but the bottom line is the bottom line and taxes can only go so far.

 

[rturner76]

Look, let me asks you this from a STRICTLY bottom line stand point, if you take all the people who will retire and use social security ( regular) and you take the people of any age that are disabled which percentage is greater. Well the first one, so if you MUST cut spending which we must get our spending under control. Would it not make more sense to cut the entitlement program from which fewer people benefit (entirely or in part) for example, maybe knocking people like myself off that have NEVER worked before and keeping those who have paid in and earned it? It is cold but the bottom line is the bottom line and taxes can only go so far.

People like you should be cut off perhaps. You have a family that can take care of you. You seem to think all people have this luxury.

 

[dogs4thewin]

People like you should be cut off perhaps. You have a family that can take care of you. You seem to think all people have this luxury.

I understand that and I am thankful for my family, however the government simply cannot support everyone who needs it with abusers. Which the ONLY way to completely I said COMPLETELY get rid of the abusers is pull the rug out from EVERYONE. I DO support and help people who I KNOW need it ( when I can).

 

[rturner76]

Abuse is a small percentage of waste. Where do you suggest the people in nursing homes and group homes go when the check stops? People that can't walk or make decisions for themselves. Where will they go and who will care for them? Do you realize they will have no way to survive?

It seems like you think more people abuse the system than use the system for good. Have you researched how much is wasted compared to used for the right reasons? I fear may would be destitute in your quest to find the few cheaters. It is not easy to get social security. My feeling is there isn't as much fraud as you think.

Do you care about finding fraud more than you care about disabled Americans being able to have food and shelter?

 

[rturner76]

Imagine in your situation you don't have a family or church support. How would you pay rent and feed yourself? Can you imagine others are in that situation?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Imagine in your situation you don't have a family or church support. How would you pay rent and feed yourself? Can you imagine others are in that situation?

Well, you see that is not enough to live on any now 700 dollars a month is not enough. They could go to prison and get more allotted to them than that, even if you try to say that prison is tough. It does not change the fact that such people can get 1000s more allotted to their care in a state pen than they can free.

 

[Hawisher]

Look, let me asks you this from a STRICTLY bottom line stand point, if you take all the people who will retire and use social security ( regular) and you take the people of any age that are disabled which percentage is greater. Well the first one, so if you MUST cut spending which we must get our spending under control. Would it not make more sense to cut the entitlement program from which fewer people benefit (entirely or in part) for example, maybe knocking people like myself off that have NEVER worked before and keeping those who have paid in and earned it? It is cold but the bottom line is the bottom line and taxes can only go so far.

That's great, but you ignored my question asking you to demonstrate that the national debt was problematic.

 

[Belk]

I feel that many of the people want to be on it. This is why I support a LOCAL and/or free will welfare system as opposed to federal and state run taxes.

The issue I have with this is that the model has not worked well in the past. That is why we went to a decentralized federal model. To many people fall through the cracks in a local only decentralized charity and things are currently pretty bad. It would be even worse if we did away with federal programs.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The issue I have with this is that the model has not worked well in the past. That is why we went to a decentralized federal model. To many people fall through the cracks in a local only decentralized charity and things are currently pretty bad. It would be even worse if we did away with federal programs.

It would be less likely to be conrupt as well.