Weep Over Jerusalem?

[cygnusx1]

We also don't know how God was working in him.

Oh I am certain God was overruling Pilates will , what Pilate wished was to let Jesus go , his desire was based upon evidence of Jesus innocence , but his desire was overruled , for the salvation of the world , i.e. those saved.

 

[jdbear]

cygnusx1 said,
Not according to Romans 7

Poor God...adding the law for conscience sake and forgetting to give conscience.

cygnusx1 said,
Yeh . Many hostile have chosen faith , look again at the thief on the cross .

He had a 360 degree change of heart
And becoming one with the wood probably had nothing to do with it...

 

[jdbear]

griff said,
I honestly don't understand what you're asking me.

I'm asking as far as repentance goes, do you think God works in a way that isn't mysterious?
griff said,

Can you life a sinless life? Can anyone? No? Well how dare God judge anyone for sinning! Yep, that's your logic.

Why am I not surprised.

 

[jdbear]

Behe's Boy said,
I don't see the act of blotting in Rev 20:15...

Immaterial as the act of blotting has already been proven. The point here is judgment contrary to your previous assumption.

Behe's Boy said,
and Rev 22:19 is not applicable here...

Any instance where a name can be removed is applicable. Furthermore, just our Lord and the Apostles affirmation that a name could be stricken from the Book of Life destroys Calvinism.

 

[AndOne]

So are trying to now tell us that the book of life is the same as the book of prophecy? (See Rev 22:19)

 

[guuila]

I'm asking as far as repentance goes, do you think God works in a way that isn't mysterious?

Yes.

Why am I not surprised.

Good to know you're not surprised at your logic fail.

 

[cygnusx1]

Poor God...adding the law for conscience sake and forgetting to give conscience.
He had a 360 degree change of heart
And becoming one with the wood probably had nothing to do with it...

Why the mockery ?

 

[Jack Terrence]

Then why is he held accountable for his sins?

First, we are NOT held accountable for our sins. I thought you were Reformed?

Second, even if we were held accountable the law of God don't care that there is a law of sin in us.


Doesn't this make justification more precious to you?

 

[Hammster]

First, we are NOT held accountable for our sins. I thought you were Reformed?

Second, even if we were held accountable the law of God don't care that there is a law of sin in us.


Doesn't this make justification more precious to you?

Maybe we are talking past each other. First, the "I thought you were reformed" comments can stop. We won't always agree on everything since monergism isn't a closed system.

Second if we aren't held accountable for our sins (humanity) then what is there to justify?

 

[Jack Terrence]

Maybe we are talking past each other. First, the "I thought you were reformed" comments can stop. We won't always agree on everything since monergism isn't a closed system.

I cannot reconcile a Reformed person saying that we are "held accountable" for our sins.

Second if we aren't held accountable for our sins (humanity) then what is there to justify?

Reconcile your statement with your eternal justification doctrine?

Your brand of Calvinism is confusing to me. You are saying that we have a free will and that we are "held accountable" for our sins. Both ideas are un-Reformed. Furthermore, I believe that you under estimate the deceitfulness of sin when you suggest that when we sin it is always willful. You seem to be saying Paul had two wills battling for supremacy and that he ultimately did what he really wanted.

But Paul did NOT have two wills. He said, "For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not." Paul had one will which was to do good. He speaks of no conflicting will to sin at all. He clearly identified ignorance as the problem. This speaks to the deceitfulness of sin reality. Christ's work of atonement took care of our ignorance too. Therefore, we are NOT held accountable when we sin for Christ by His atonement is our wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption (1 Cor. 1:30).

Jesus said of those who beat Him and crucified Him, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Yet I am to believe that I am "held accountable" for my ignorance?

 

[Hammster]

I cannot reconcile a Reformed person saying that we are "held accountable" for our sins.


Reconcile your statement with your eternal justification doctrine?

Your brand of Calvinism is confusing to me. You are saying that we have a free will and that we are "held accountable" for our sins. Both ideas are un-Reformed. Furthermore, I believe that you under estimate the deceitfulness of sin when you suggest that when we sin it is always willful. You seem to be saying Paul had two wills battling for supremacy and that he ultimately did what he really wanted.

But Paul did NOT have two wills. He said, "For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not." Paul had one will which was to do good. He speaks of no conflicting will to sin at all. He clearly identified ignorance as the problem. This speaks to the deceitfulness of sin reality. Christ's work of atonement took care of our ignorance too. Therefore, we are NOT held accountable when we sin for Christ by His atonement is our wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption (1 Cor. 1:30).

Jesus said of those who beat Him and crucified Him, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Yet I am to believe that I am "held accountable" for my ignorance?

Let's try this again, maybe step by step. You seem pretty worked up over this.

Are we (people in general) sinners?

 

[Jack Terrence]

Let's try this again, maybe step by step. You seem pretty worked up over this.

Are we (people in general) sinners?

Are we (justified sinners) held accountable for our sins?

 

[Hammster]

Are we (justified sinners) held accountable for our sins?

Okay. Never mind I'm not doing this.

 

[guuila]

Are we (justified sinners) held accountable for our sins?

Condemned? No. Responsible? Yes. We have no one to blame but ourselves when we sin. In that sense, we are held accountable for them.

 

[cygnusx1]

Condemned? No. Responsible? Yes. We have no one to blame but ourselves when we sin. In that sense, we are held accountable for them.

Is there not Biblical support for sins of the will , ie , mortal sins , and sins of unwilling , venial sin ?

We are responsible for every sin we commit , even the sin of ignorance is blameworthy .

When Paul speaks of his problem with sin , Rom 7 , he does say "I yet not I " meaning he did sin but not intentionally , he explained sin as the guilty party for the very reason he willed to do only good .... Sin tricked him .

So who is responsible for sinning ? Always the sinner , yet Paul had no misgivings about pointing the finger at the prime suspect , sin itself.

 

[Arcoe]

Is there not Biblical support for sins of the will , ie , mortal sins , and sins of unwilling , venial sin ?

We are responsible for every sin we commit , even the sin of ignorance is blameworthy .

When Paul speaks of his problem with sin , Rom 7 , he does say "I yet not I " meaning he did sin but not intentionally , he explained sin as the guilty party for the very reason he willed to do only good .... Sin tricked him .

So who is responsible for sinning ? Always the sinner , yet Paul had no misgivings about pointing the finger at the prime suspect , sin itself.

Again, a very good reason to cast away your transgressions, to lay aside the sin which besets us, flee fornication, cast away our abominations, and to lay aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings.

Sin will only trick you if leave it within your heart. And to think you don't need to remove sin, is yet another trick by which it deceives you.

 

[cygnusx1]

Again, a very good reason to cast away your transgressions, to lay aside the sin which besets us, flee fornication, cast away our abominations, and to lay aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings.

Sin will only trick you if leave it within your heart. And to think you don't need to remove sin, is yet another trick by which it deceives you.

I agree , it's a revelation to see sin as a something far more than just a few mistakes humans make. It is a pernicious disease , in fact more like some tricky virus that needs killing.

 

[jdbear]

cygnusx1 said
Why the mockery ?

Because the idea that God desires damnation over salvation is absurd.

 

[guuila]

Because the idea that God desires damnation over salvation is absurd.

Who created hell?

 

[cygnusx1]

Because the idea that God desires damnation over salvation is absurd.

Could God save everybody if He wanted to ?