Weather during the Global Flood

[ebia]

In many, if not most, ways the weather would just be "business as usual".

But not many dust-storms.

 

[Rusticus]

But not many dust-storms.

Indeed. It seems every calamity has its own advantages...

 

[Rusticus]

Hello!

Doesen't anyone else want to play the game "What would the weather be like if the sea level were to rise by nearly 9000 meteres (nearly 30000 feet) in a matter of a couple of months"?

 

[shernren]

It's important to first figure out where all the water came from. There would be a lot of difference between, say, if all the rain fell on the land and then washed out into the sea, or all the rain fell on the sea and slowly inundated the land. And of course where all the water was before then, besides crushing Noah to a premature death.

 

[ebia]

Hello!

Doesen't anyone else want to play the game "What would the weather be like if the sea level were to rise by nearly 9000 meteres (nearly 30000 feet) in a matter of a couple of months"?

The trouble is, science isn't actually very good at long term weather predictions at the best of times - the maths behind weather patterns is horrendous.

If you suspend all the rules of physics (as you need to, or a global flood just can't happen) then you turn a task that is practically impossible into one that is completely impossible because there are no rules left to work from.

 

[Rusticus]

..... And of course where all the water was before then, besides crushing Noah to a premature death.

If one reads the Bible literally Noah was 600 years old at the time: hardly a PREMATURE death, I would have thought.

(Although I have the feeling that the counting of years might have been a bit off, at the time.)

 

[immortalavefenix]

WHERE DID THE WATER COME FROM?
WHERE DID IT GO?

 

[The Lady Kate]

WHERE DID THE WATER COME FROM?
WHERE DID IT GO?

Anyone else thinking of "Cotton-Eye Joe" after this post?

 

[shernren]

WHERE DID THE WATER COME FROM?
WHERE DID IT GO?

Yeah, nobody has that one down yet. If we can't even figure where the water came from it's going to be difficult to figure what it actually did.

Rusticus you should try surviving under a few thousand feet of water vapor atmospheric pressure. You can't. Noah couldn't have either. That's why I said that if all that water had been in the atmosphere he'd be dead long before cutting the first plank out for the ark.

 

[Rusticus]

.....Rusticus you should try surviving under a few thousand feet of water vapor atmospheric pressure. You can't. Noah couldn't have either. That's why I said that if all that water had been in the atmosphere he'd be dead long before cutting the first plank out for the ark.

Oh, absolutely .

That's one of the reasons why I don't believe in a global flood.

(But we are playing this game to stop "floodnut" from getting angry again... The game is called "What would the weather be like if the sea level were to rise by nearly 9000 meteres (nearly 30000 feet) in a matter of a couple of months"?)

 

[shernren]

Oh right! *slaps self* well I've been caught out not being 100% sure what everybody here believes. My humblest apologies Rusticus.

And I don't know much climatology. Oops.

 

[Floodnut]

Hello!

Doesen't anyone else want to play the game "What would the weather be like if the sea level were to rise by nearly 9000 meteres (nearly 30000 feet) in a matter of a couple of months"?

Or perhaps the game would rather be if earth levels were reduced to sea level. I don't know of anyone who believes in a literal flood who would assert that the sea levels went up to 30,000 feet. Have you ever run into that anywhere in your careful research of Flood Proponents? Do you have a reference for it?

Of course you don't. You are only interested in attacking the concept of the global flood. It is a powerful urge I know. You come to this website for that very purpose, to feed that irressistible addiction.

But the game you suggest is not the interest or topic of this thread. Rather, think in terms of waters covering mountains of 10,000 feet, perhaps even eroding them to lower levels before finally covering the entire surface of the planet with water. I don't care about the mechanism of the Flood at this point. My interest is what the weather might have been like as the flood waters rose and finally prevailed.

 

[Floodnut]

It's important to first figure out where all the water came from. There would be a lot of difference between, say, if all the rain fell on the land and then washed out into the sea, or all the rain fell on the sea and slowly inundated the land. And of course where all the water was before then, besides crushing Noah to a premature death.

Of course here you go again, helpless against the urge to attack the mechanism of the Flood, and the idea of the flood. You really are incapable of staying on topic. Do you know of any flood proponents who suggest that the waters of the flood were held in the clouds, or in the atmosphere as water vapor? Do you know of any who suggest that the main source of the water was rain? Noah was not crushed by the weight of the water laden atmosphere. He was 600 years old when the flood came, and then lived on to be 930.

It is not important to the topic of this thread to "figure out where all the water came from." This thread is on what the weather might have been like during a global flood which featured a great wind (Genesis 8:1) and water that gradually covered all the high hills. Most of us who believe in the global flood also feel that there was extensive tectonic activity. How might volcanoes and lava flows meeting flood waters have affected the weather? It might have produced rain, but what else?

 

[Floodnut]

WHERE DID THE WATER COME FROM?
WHERE DID IT GO?

That would be a good question to discuss. Maybe you could go start a thread on that topic. Meanwhile the topic here is the weather during an assumed (if you please) global flood.

 

[Rusticus]

Do you have a reference for it?

Talking about reference. A person on the surface of the earth would have no reference point to determine which would apply: Rising of sea levels or shrinking of the earth's crust.

 

[Rusticus]

Or perhaps the game would rather be if earth levels were reduced to sea level. I don't know of anyone who believes in a literal flood who would assert that the sea levels went up to 30,000 feet. Have you ever run into that anywhere in your careful research of Flood Proponents? Do you have a reference for it?

Of course you don't. You are only interested in attacking the concept of the global flood. It is a powerful urge I know. You come to this website for that very purpose, to feed that irressistible addiction.

But the game you suggest is not the interest or topic of this thread. Rather, think in terms of waters covering mountains of 10,000 feet, perhaps even eroding them to lower levels before finally covering the entire surface of the planet with water. I don't care about the mechanism of the Flood at this point. My interest is what the weather might have been like as the flood waters rose and finally prevailed.

There is the reference you are looking for. Floodnut says that the flood waters rose.

 

[ebia]

It is not important to the topic of this thread to "figure out where all the water came from." This thread is on what the weather might have been like during a global flood which featured a great wind (Genesis 8:1) and water that gradually covered all the high hills.

But you can't divorce one from the other. How the water got there would have a huge impact on the weather.

Most of us who believe in the global flood also feel that there was extensive tectonic activity. How might volcanoes and lava flows meeting flood waters have affected the weather? It might have produced rain, but what else?

You even acknowledge it here.

The kind of volcanic activity you are implying would fill the atmosphere with so much rubbish that sunlight would be blocked out and it would be dark for an extended period. Which, of course would them impact on other aspects of the weather. Funnily enough the accounts don't mention that though.

 

[shernren]

Or perhaps the game would rather be if earth levels were reduced to sea level. I don't know of anyone who believes in a literal flood who would assert that the sea levels went up to 30,000 feet. Have you ever run into that anywhere in your careful research of Flood Proponents? Do you have a reference for it?

Wow. So now instead of miraculously dumping water into the atmosphere, God removes solid rock from the earth. This flood is getting more and more unscientific as we go on.

Of course here you go again, helpless against the urge to attack the mechanism of the Flood, and the idea of the flood. You really are incapable of staying on topic. Do you know of any flood proponents who suggest that the waters of the flood were held in the clouds, or in the atmosphere as water vapor? Do you know of any who suggest that the main source of the water was rain? Noah was not crushed by the weight of the water laden atmosphere. He was 600 years old when the flood came, and then lived on to be 930.

Canopy theorists. They were the main proponents of flood theory before Humphreys pointed out that the "firmament" of Genesis 1 in a literal interpretation would have to be outer space and therefore the waters above the firmament must've been interstellar, not atmospheric.

Anyway - it's important to grasp what we do know scientifically about the Flood before trying to predict the weather. We need a scientifically plausible mechanism for a global flood, then we can look at the water circulation patterns and the effects of higher albedo and all that. Otherwise asking the question of flood weather is like asking what would happen if a giant asteroid the size of Jupiter made out of cheese hit the Earth. What's the point?

 

[ebia]

Otherwise asking the question of flood weather is like asking what would happen if a giant asteroid the size of Jupiter made out of cheese hit the Earth. What's the point?

It's worse than that - at least you could have a go at answering that question. This question is closer to, "what sort of bacteria would be on the cheese"

 

[Saucy]

I'm sorry, but last time I checked, God is outside the laws of physics and science. He does a lot of things that science will never be able to explain. Stop hanging on to a man-made procedure that makes more mistakes than it ever gets right. Secondly, there has never been an instance in the entire bible of it ever have rained before the flood. The bible describes that the water fell from heaven and came up out of the ground. Not all of the water came out of the sky. There might not have been that much water in the atmosphere after all. Where did all the water go after? I don't know, but I have a hunch. There's a ton of water packed in ice. Remember when I said that the entire planet was tropical before the flood? There was no iceburgs and such. A lot of the water could've frozen. Haven't you seen Waterworld? What would happen if all the ice caps melted? There's also a lot of water underground.