We send ourselves to hell?

[Lukaris]

The comment you've noted is given in order to free god of blame because their system could not manage that reality. It's said flippantly. It is a tactic, not a belief. The point of it, is merely that the sinner is to blame, the tortured must be blamed or the goodness of the torturer could not remain.

No, it is a matter of justice to those who do right or wrong in life. As Christians we put out trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to convict our flawed conscience in its sin to repent & strive to do what actually is right. We do not judge our neighbor who might be living according to the will of God (Romans 2:11-16, Matthew 7:1-12) who will judge everyone fairly (John 5:26-29).

 

[EnemyOfReason]

The comment you've noted is given in order to free god of blame because their system could not manage that reality. It's said flippantly. It is a tactic, not a belief. The point of it, is merely that the sinner is to blame, the tortured must be blamed or the goodness of the torturer could not remain.

So because the torturer is god he is never to blame? This sounds mighty illogical yet again.

Because I am human I believe that I should not be held accountable for my actions. I guess that makes it fair.

 

[Lukaris]

The error you've noted is called the "tautological templar" fallacy. It's very common but I would have some compassion. These people did not choose to be convinced of this, it isn't as if they desired to believe their lives and their loved ones lives were in mortal danger from a god who seems confused in his love and justice. That there is an innocent god trying to save them from it redeems this situation.

God is their standard of morality, even if that isn't a very good argument. If they were to agree with you their lives would be uprooted. I doubt you plan on sowing that sort of grief and pain and they are innocent for defending their selves from it.

I do not know what the disconnect is but we can either be virtuous or non virtuous in behaving right or wrong. We have free will to do so making us acountable for our behavior. As Christians we believe that we fall short of this standard & that Christ's redemption makes it possble for us to be forgiven of our wrongdoing. This does not rule out that any given individual may be accounted righteous by God for having lived virtuously (as in the Beatitudes in Matthew 5:1-12). We do believe that all are in peril & hence the imperative to live & pray for, & or preach the Gospel to others.

 

[Lukaris]

maybe you are the one with the disconnect?

I don't understand why you are even addressing me, I'm not the OP I'm not a non believer and your posts seem compulsive. I'm not sure what your actually trying to say to me at this point.

If you are denying that Christians find god good by default with no weighing at all then youre at best naive.

I am replying to you since you have told someone, already inquiring with much skepticism, that Christians do not believe in the capacity for free will. You have basically said we believe in a "confused" God, that if we agreed with the skeptical inquirer who says that we believe in a "blameless torture" of a god our fragile & simplistic faith would implode.

Do not condescend that I am being "compulsive" or "naive"; I am sharply disageeing with your statements in honest discourse with no hostile intent.