We Need Public Representation for Low and Medium Wage Workers If This Great Reset Takes Place

[Hvizsgyak]

If the economic system can't handle two people, that's not my fault.

Your right... I have no idea what you are talking about though. Peace be with you, my friend. Someday I'll understand.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

If you don't understand that pay increases are relative to purchasing power and they don't see steak tartar in your future....figure out why before blaming others.

Okay, let's say I'm stupid. Please explain your response so I can make sense of it. To help though, I do know that corporations either raise their prices, give less of a product than before, or make their workers work more for the increase in pay they received. Corporations do this to cut their costs to make up for the pay increase (of course this really doesn't have to happen but corporations (being greedy) feel they need to do this.

Now, you take it from there and explain yourself, thank you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Okay, let's say I'm stupid. Please explain your response so I can make sense of it. To help though, I do know that corporations either raise their prices, give less of a product than before, or make their workers work more for the increase in pay they received. Corporations do this to cut their costs to make up for the pay increase (of course this really doesn't have to happen but corporations (being greedy) feel they need to do this.

Now, you take it from there and explain yourself, thank you.

Your original post was about negotiating for, what I imagine is a higher standard of living in your mind.

Right? Ultimately, it's not a pay increase you want....it won't do anything for you should the price of everything also raise.

Ultimately, you want the assurance of goods and services that you need....the opportunity of those goods and services which allow you to pursue that which you value....and the expectation of help from your community should some unexpected tragedy befall you....

Right?

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Your original post was about negotiating for, what I imagine is a higher standard of living in your mind.

Right? Ultimately, it's not a pay increase you want....it won't do anything for you should the price of everything also raise.

Ultimately, you want the assurance of goods and services that you need....the opportunity of those goods and services which allow you to pursue that which you value....and the expectation of help from your community should some unexpected tragedy befall you....

Right?

Sorry it always takes me so long to reply to your responses. During the Advent Season, I was staying away from social media and youtube except on Sundays (our day of rest). Also, with all this snow falling on this website, I am constantly trying to shovel out an area where I can respond . Now to remember what I was going to say. Oh yes, this is why we need a new economic system too. Not Capitalist, or Socialist and definitely not Communist. I have proposed a couple of times a rough version of an ideal economic system here on this forum and on the old Catholic Answers Forum. With this economic system, what a worker gets paid will not effect the profit of the company hence when a worker gets a pay raise, the company doesn't have to raise prices to cover it. Now this is where I lose support from people on the economic plan. The company generates their own money to pay their workers but the amount of pay the workers receive will be determined by a third party (who will look at the complexity, difficulty, and other features) to determine the worker's pay. All money made from the companies will be invested back into the company for improvements and upgrades for the company (and some of that money may be taxed by the government). Now you see why I lose support from people. Others say they don't want a third party determining their wages. The US government does it all the time with their workers and the system works great (you have step increases and cost of living increases). What this does is make the worker's playing field a little bit leveler. The lower paying jobs get a better amount and the upper paying jobs get a good amount (but nothing too crazy). I know what you are thinking, this sounds like communist. No, this is called FAIRNESS. Companies don't run on one person (the owner). The worker's are the driving force. Treat them right and a company will be successful. Treat them poorly... you get today's workers - hating their work, not putting their heart into their work, people quitting constantly and so on.


I can go on and on about this. Oh, and by the way, the beginning prices for a product will be determined by a third party along with the owner of the company. Subsequent price hikes (or reductions) will be done the same way. This will prevent companies (and I should say corporations, large conglomerates and consumer goods giants) from raising prices whenever they feel the need hence repelling inflation.


And to anyone out there in the community who reads this, if it sounds good, give a . Thank you

Sounds like you could get all those things and more by moving to a different country.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sorry it always takes me so long to reply to your responses. During the Advent Season, I was staying away from social media and youtube except on Sundays (our day of rest). Also, with all this snow falling on this website, I am constantly trying to shovel out an area where I can respond . Now to remember what I was going to say. Oh yes, this is why we need a new economic system too. Not Capitalist, or Socialist and definitely not Communist. I have proposed a couple of times a rough version of an ideal economic system here on this forum and on the old Catholic Answers Forum. With this economic system, what a worker gets paid will not effect the profit of the company hence when a worker gets a pay raise, the company doesn't have to raise prices to cover it.

How does this work?

You didn't explain this part....

How does worker wages not affect profit?

Let's imagine that two companies can tuna fish. They can it, ship it, and sell it. They each have the same number of employees (it doesn't matter how many employees)....but one company pays its employees 10$ an hour and the other pays 20$ an hour.

At the end of the year....the 1st company has paid employees 5 million in wages. The second company which operates under the exact same model and has the same number of employees working the same number of hours....paid 10 million in wages.

This means that the first company can pocket either 5 million more in profit....or lower the cost of their canned tuna fish to undercut their competitor and drive them out of business.

What you're telling me is that neither of those things will happen....why?

Now this is where I lose support from people on the economic plan. The company generates their own money to pay their workers but the amount of pay the workers receive will be determined by a third partho will look at the complexity, difficulty, and other features) to determine the worker's pay. All money made from the companies will be invested back into the company for improvements and upgrades for the company (and some of that money may be taxed by the government). Now you see why I lose support from people. Others say they don't want a third party determining their wages. The US government does it all the time with their workers and the system works great (you have step increases and cost of living increases). What this does is make the worker's playing field a little bit leveler. The lower paying jobs get a better amount and the upper paying jobs get a good amount (but nothing too crazy). I know what you are thinking, this sounds like communist. No, this is called FAIRNESS. Companies don't run on one person (the owner). The worker's are the driving force. Treat them right and a company will be successful. Treat them poorly... you get today's workers - hating their work, not putting their heart into their work, people quitting constantly and so on.


I can go on and on about this. Oh, and by the way, the beginning prices for a product will be determined by a third party along with the owner of the company. Subsequent price hikes (or reductions) will be done the same way. This will prevent companies (and I should say corporations, large conglomerates and consumer goods giants) from raising prices whenever they feel the need hence repelling inflation.


And to anyone out there in the community who reads this, if it sounds good, give a . Thank you

Let's say you instituted this change....canned tuna fish keeps a very long time and I can move all those jobs overseas where workers get paid next to nothing, allowing me to increase my profits and lower prices....driving my competitors out of business.

Why wouldn't I just do this to avoid your government control over my business?

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Let's imagine that two companies can tuna fish. They can it, ship it, and sell it. They each have the same number of employees (it doesn't matter how many employees)....but one company pays its employees 10$ an hour and the other pays 20$ an hour.

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If you are an inspector at the one tuna plant you are getting paid the same as the inspector in the other tuna plant. If you are an CEO at the one tuna plant you are getting paid the same as the CEO at the other tuna plant. If you are a machine operator at the one tuna plant then you will be getting paid the same as the machine operator in the other tuna plant and so on and so on. That is what I mean when I said a job position's pay will be determined by a third party (and they will consider the difficulty of the work, how much fatigue is involved, how much work is there and other factors)(and the some of the people who determine the wages will be actual people who have done that kind of work for years). By the way, the pay is a pay scale like they have in the government. The longer you have been there the more you can go up the scale.

Let's say you instituted this change....canned tuna fish keeps a very long time and I can move all those jobs overseas where workers get paid next to nothing, allowing me to increase my profits and lower prices....driving my competitors out of business.

Why wouldn't I just do this to avoid your government control over my business?

First, this wage determining is not done by the government (it will be strictly enforced by the government though). It will be independent companies that will determine the wages and these companies will have experts from all types of jobs as contractors who help with the job. And I would hope the world would follow suit with a similar setup so companies won't go outside there own countries for labor.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

How does this work?

You didn't explain this part....

How does worker wages not affect profit?

Let's imagine that two companies can tuna fish. They can it, ship it, and sell it. They each have the same number of employees (it doesn't matter how many employees)....but one company pays its employees 10$ an hour and the other pays 20$ an hour.

At the end of the year....the 1st company has paid employees 5 million in wages. The second company which operates under the exact same model and has the same number of employees working the same number of hours....paid 10 million in wages.

This means that the first company can pocket either 5 million more in profit....or lower the cost of their canned tuna fish to undercut their competitor and drive them out of business.

What you're telling me is that neither of those things will happen....why?



Let's say you instituted this change....canned tuna fish keeps a very long time and I can move all those jobs overseas where workers get paid next to nothing, allowing me to increase my profits and lower prices....driving my competitors out of business.

Why wouldn't I just do this to avoid your government control over my business?

Sorry, I also want to point out that this new economic system is something I thought up to improve pay for workers and to help companies not have to be concern about their worker's payment. All money (or most of it) will go back into the company for better their equipment, training and facilities. This economic system has nothing to do with the WEF.

I wasn't sure if you were aware of that (because of the way you responded in your last post) so I wanted to reiterate that point. But it's funny the way you responded because it's the typical response that I get from alot of people when I pass it by them. People are so stuck on the economic system we have here that they can't even think of any other form. The funny part is that pretty much everybody comes out ahead in the economic system I'm proposing. It's not a "survival of the fittest" system like our capitalist system. Everybody at least lives a decent life at the worse.

Anyway, hopefully some day, society will deem every person valuable.