We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

[Go Braves]

We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

And there's been warnings about that for a while that folks have just plugged their ears up to.

 

[Go Braves]

The moral decline is a common denominator for both Chicago and white nationalist shooters too. The point I am making is that there was more violence in Chicago in a normal month than all these mass shootings combined. My solution addressed both situations too so it is not as off topic as you suppose. Finding common grounds and broad based ideas is a good thing and if the root cause of all our problems is sin perhaps that is what we should be calling people to do is turn from sin to God.

Well do you think the United States is in a far more severe moral decline than other countries around the world?

 

[Ana the Ist]

What’s xe mean?

It's a made up personal pronoun.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

I believe the shooter in Ohio was a radical leftist who hated Trump.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I believe the shooter in Ohio was a radical leftist who hated Trump.

Clearly this problem isn't limited to one side but it does seem to be an exclusively American phenomenon.

 

[Go Braves]

Clearly this problem isn't limited to one side but it does seem to be an exclusively American phenomenon.

Well I wouldn't say exclusively American seeing as how the white nationalist in NZ murdered all those folks in the mosque, but the "thoughts & prayers" do nothing attitude is pretty American. NZ took swift action. They didn't need 20 years of shootings to kick them into gear.

 

[Go Braves]

I believe the shooter in Ohio was a radical leftist who hated Trump.

A fellow here made that claim in another thread earlier, using a blog post on a white nationalist, anti-immigration site as his source. In looking it up, I saw a tabloid piece based on old Tweets from years back. He'd also wanted Joe Biden to die & wanted gun control. So. Idk. He murdered his own sister. We'll have to wait & see if a profile emerges since he didn't leave a manifesto (that we know of yet) like the white nationalist in El Paso did. They're both homegrown terrorists.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Statement of APA President in Response to Mass Shootings in Texas, Ohio


The issue is not mental illness of the shooters, if you want to focus on ensuring the psychological well-being of people, then provide support for the targets of racist violence.

I absolutely believe white supremacists are mentally ill, just as I do cops that target blacks.

The cops, screen them and don't hire them. The supremacists, not much we can do to stop private parties, well, not legally anyway.

 

[ananda]

What’s xe mean?

It is supposedly one of many progressive third-person nominative pronouns, used since we can't be totally sure zhe was actually a "he"!

By xyr's own words, thon doesn't seem to be a "nationalist". Nor do we know that hou actually self-identified as "white", at the moment of peh's action. And "terrorist" is too toxic of a label. Therefore, the OP is fake news - in relationship to the Dayton being who handled the gun that killed others - according to these progressive standards.

 

[SummerMadness]

I absolutely believe white supremacists are mentally ill, just as I do cops that target blacks.

The cops, screen them and don't hire them. The supremacists, not much we can do to stop private parties, well, not legally anyway.

They are not mentally ill. A mental Illness would include trouble coping with everyday activities, trouble interacting with people, severe mood changes, and often paired with physical ailments. Racism is not a mental illness; while I'm sure there are people that are racist with mental illness, their racist attitudes are not the cause of the mental illness.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Tag it as whatever you like but that's what I believe...anyone with that much hate in them, has an illness.

Is yours the official meaning of mental illness, and it goes no further than that? I mean those we speak of have to be narcissist, and here is a bit on that:

"Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder with a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy."

Symptoms Exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, lack of understanding of others' feelings[2][3]
Usual onset Early adulthood[3]
Duration Long term[3]
Causes Unknown[4]

But either way, official or not, I think they're batty, but I also believe the condition should not be coddled, and only given help if they seek it, because it's more or less their choice. Once diagnosed it's up to them to fix it.

 

[jayem]

The moral decline is a common denominator for both Chicago and white nationalist shooters too. The point I am making is that there was more violence in Chicago in a normal month than all these mass shootings combined.

Chicago gets such a bad rap. Statistically, it's not in the top 20 American cities for homicide rates. It's #24. Memphis; Orlando; Petersburg, VA.; N. Charleston, SC; and St. Louis (I live in the suburbs) all have higher murder rates. And even then, in all of these cities, the vast majority of homicides occur in certain neighborhoods. It's not like the entire urban area is a killing field.

The 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the US

Finding common grounds and broad based ideas is a good thing and if the root cause of all our problems is sin perhaps that is what we should be calling people to do is turn from sin to God.

But some of these murderous bottom-feeders believe they are doing God's will. They think God never intended the races to live together.

 

[SummerMadness]

Tag it as whatever you like but that's what I believe...anyone with that much hate in them, has an illness.

Is yours the official meaning of mental illness, and it goes no further than that? I mean those we speak of have to be narcissist, and here is a bit on that:

"Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder with a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy."

Symptoms Exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, lack of understanding of others' feelings[2][3]
Usual onset Early adulthood[3]
Duration Long term[3]
Causes Unknown[4]

But either way, official or not, I think they're batty, but I also believe the condition should not be coddled, and only given help if they seek it, because it's more or less their choice. Once diagnosed it's up to them to fix it.

Segregation and slavery were products of racism, we did not live in a country where most people had a mental illness. Arguing that is a mental illness makes no sense. You mention narcissistic personality disorder and that is a mental illness, racism is not.

There are people on here that talk about the superiority of certain "cultures" over others (usually they're using the sleight of hand to turn skin color into culture). Their attitudes are clearly racist, they do not have a mental illness. We have people who deny services to others based on skin color, like renting an apartment, those people are clearly racist, they do not have a mental illness. Everyone that takes a life is not mentally ill, we can see that by their planning and execution.

 

[Ana the Ist]

There are people on here that talk about the superiority of certain "cultures" over others (usually they're using the sleight of hand to turn skin color into culture). Their attitudes are clearly racist, they do not have a mental illness.

All those liberals railing against western culture/civilization are racist? Glad we agree for a change.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Segregation and slavery were products of racism, we did not live in a country where most people had a mental illness. Arguing that is a mental illness makes no sense. You mention narcissistic personality disorder and that is a mental illness, racism is not.

There are people on here that talk about the superiority of certain "cultures" over others (usually they're using the sleight of hand to turn skin color into culture). Their attitudes are clearly racist,

No racism is good, but now you've moved the bar to everyday racism when we were talking about white supremacists and nut job cops before...those are the ones I'm seeing as mentally ill, mentally way off balance, or however one might term them.

Are they officially clinically mentally ill, not positive but wouldn't surprise me, however, I can say for certain, I can easily see some from both those groups, needing and going through therapy for their very serious problems.

Mental illness - Symptoms and causes

Mental illness, also called mental health disorders, refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.

Many people have mental health concerns from time to time. But a mental health concern becomes a mental illness when ongoing signs and symptoms cause frequent stress and affect your ability to function.

A mental illness can make you miserable and can cause problems in your daily life, such as at school or work or in relationships. In most cases, symptoms can be managed with a combination of medications and talk therapy (psychotherapy).

 

[Helmut-WK]

Clearly this problem isn't limited to one side but it does seem to be an exclusively American phenomenon.

No, this problem is also seen in other countries.

As to the split in society, the USA are often compared to the UK (as a result of the Brexit campaign, which used as many lies as Trump does), or Poland, or Hungary. The number of shootings is different, but ...

... but thanks to the NRA, radicals have far more opportunities to put their hatred into action than in other countries. In my country, Islamists mostly used trucks and knives, right wing radicals used fire (arson), baseball bats and the like to kill other people. Compared to what an automatic gun can achieve, there were certainly more lives saved by restrictions on firearm possession than endangered by lack of the good guy who shoots down the attacker.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And there's been warnings about that for a while that folks have just plugged their ears up to.

Sorta like we've plugged up our ears regarding black drug gang problems. As far as body counts go they make white nationalists look like choir boys.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Segregation and slavery were products of racism, we did not live in a country where most people had a mental illness. Arguing that is a mental illness makes no sense. You mention narcissistic personality disorder and that is a mental illness, racism is not.

There are people on here that talk about the superiority of certain "cultures" over others (usually they're using the sleight of hand to turn skin color into culture). Their attitudes are clearly racist, they do not have a mental illness. We have people who deny services to others based on skin color, like renting an apartment, those people are clearly racist, they do not have a mental illness. Everyone that takes a life is not mentally ill, we can see that by their planning and execution.

Culture and skin color are very closely associated in certain demographics. Regarding "renting an apartment", I just denied a black woman rental. Not because she was black but because she couldn't afford the rent. We are also evicting a black woman who in addition to not paying the rent has violated a half dozen rules, all in the space of a couple of months. Her tenancy has been a nightmare for us.

We are also evicting a white woman from another building. She has been equally troublesome.

 

[KCfromNC]

Culture and skin color are very closely associated in certain demographics.

I'm pretty sure many posters would object strongly if that kind of thinking was applied to white people, as is the topic of this thread.

 

[INeedGrace]

And that is not what the topic is about. The topic is about white nationalist terrorists who have murdered people this past weekend. We have also seen a string of these terrorists attacks, yet some would rather us ignore that terrorism.

Imagine if this were an ISIL/Daesh attack? Would you flippantly say, there will always be religious extremism, Islamic or otherwise? No, we would look at what methods and behaviors contribute to that extremism and make adaptations to address the resultant terrorism.

Not necessarily. After Omar Mateen shot up a nightclub, the media went all out to tell us that Islam had nothing to do with it, even though Mateen had pledged allegiance to ISIS.

White person commits a mass shooting: blame white people.

Muslim commits a mass shooting: blame white people.

It's all about the Narrative.