We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

[SummerMadness]

We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

If one of the perpetrators of this weekend's two mass shootings had adhered to the ideology of radical Islam, the resources of the American government and its international allies would mobilize without delay.

The awesome power of the state would work tirelessly to deny future terrorists access to weaponry, money and forums to spread their ideology. The movement would be infiltrated by spies and informants. Its financiers would face sanctions. Places of congregation would be surveilled. Those who gave aid or comfort to terrorists would be prosecuted. Programs would be established to de-radicalize former adherents.

 

[dogs4thewin]

We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

There will always be racism white and otherwise.

 

[SummerMadness]

There will always be racism white and otherwise.

And that is not what the topic is about. The topic is about white nationalist terrorists who have murdered people this past weekend. We have also seen a string of these terrorists attacks, yet some would rather us ignore that terrorism.

Imagine if this were an ISIL/Daesh attack? Would you flippantly say, there will always be religious extremism, Islamic or otherwise? No, we would look at what methods and behaviors contribute to that extremism and make adaptations to address the resultant terrorism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sadly we killed most of these 'terrorists' before we can interview them regarding their motivation. To solve a problem you must first know what it is.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

In my 6+ decades of life, I remember there has always been white terrorism against people of color. The motivation has always been hatred.

 

[ananda]

The topic is about white nationalist terrorists who have murdered people this past weekend.

How are you sure that the Dayton shooter was a "white nationalist"? It seems xe was a socialist:

Betts "he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.” The Greene County Board of Elections lists his party as “Dem.”​

Betts might've self-identified as non-white, and it would therefore be racist to assume xe was "white".

 

[dogs4thewin]

In my 6+ decades of life, I remember there has always been white terrorism against people of color. The motivation has always been hatred.

I have lived for less than half that, but in that time I have concluded that there always has been racism and until Christ comes back there always will be racism.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

we have a lot of problems and if you took the sum of all people shot over the same time span you would find many more killed than by mass shooters and this violence knows no racial boundaries. The fact is that lawlessness is abounding and moral values have collapsed and the imaginations of our hearts and the foundations of our lives have been corrupted. The vulgarity and inappropriate content culture of violence is in our music and entertainment with video games and all embracing dark themes. The collapse of our society and the poverty that is coming is a judgment from God. The gospel is repent and be converted and that comes with loving your enemies and turning from wickedness. This also promotes positive values of working hard and being honest and upright and pure. This message is for all races and all men and is the only solution.

this is June 2019 just for the city of Chicago

So far this year, there have been more than 1200 shootings citywide. Nearly 1600 people have been victims of gunshots. Despite this, police are calling this sustained progress in reducing violent crime.
In June 2019, there were 43 murders and a total of 282 murders so far this year.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

In my 6+ decades of life, I remember there has always been white terrorism against people of color. The motivation has always been hatred.

White supremacy and racism against minorities is deeply rooted into the very fabric of America. It was founded on white supremacy of the WASP and on racial violence and racism against minorities. There has been white terrorism against minorities in this country since its own inception and beforehand.

Martin Luther King, Jr. "Our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. Even before there were large numbers of Negroes on our shores, the scar of racial hatred had already disfigured colonial society. From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles of racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its Indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade. Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it."

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

The awesome power of the state would work tirelessly to deny future terrorists access to weaponry, money and forums to spread their ideology. The movement would be infiltrated by spies and informants. Its financiers would face sanctions. Places of congregation would be surveilled. Those who gave aid or comfort to terrorists would be prosecuted. Programs would be established to de-radicalize former adherents.

I hate to overstate the obvious, but all of those things were made possible by the fact that the terrorists come from without, and we grant ourselves the privilege to deny people outside of our country the same rights as those inside our country. White nationalism, however, is more of an internal problem. We can't do all of that to our own citizens without violating the Bill of Rights, which, if we did, would make the government a far bigger monster than the ones upon which we unleashed it in the first place.

 

[SummerMadness]

we have a lot of problems and if you took the sum of all people shot over the same time span you would find many more killed than by mass shooters and this violence knows no racial boundaries. The fact is that lawlessness is abounding and moral values have collapsed and the imaginations of our hearts and the foundations of our lives have been corrupted. The vulgarity and inappropriate content culture of violence is in our music and entertainment with video games and all embracing dark themes. The collapse of our society and the poverty that is coming is a judgment from God. The gospel is repent and be converted and that comes with loving your enemies and turning from wickedness. This also promotes positive values of working hard and being honest and upright and pure. This message is for all races and all men and is the only solution.

this is June 2019 just for the city of Chicago

So far this year, there have been more than 1200 shootings citywide. Nearly 1600 people have been victims of gunshots. Despite this, police are calling this sustained progress in reducing violent crime.
In June 2019, there were 43 murders and a total of 282 murders so far this year.

This topic is about terrorism committed by white nationalists, it is not a vehicle for an off-topic rant about Chicago (a city that is only brought when white supremacists start indiscriminately exterminating people). Please stay on-topic and if you have a concern about gun violence in Chicago (which only seems to be brought up when the topic involves white supremacy), then start that thread about a topic of great concern.

 

[dzheremi]

"Chicago's got good pizza."
"Yeah, well WHAT ABOUT ALL THE KILLINGS THERE?"

"Chicago is the largest city in Illinois, but not the state capital."
"Yeah, well WHAT ABOUT ALL THE KILLINGS THERE?"

"Chicago was originally supposed to perform at Woodstock, but promoter Bill Graham scheduled them to play at the Fillmore West on what would've been their Woodstock dates, substituting Santana in their place at the festival."
"Yeah, well WHAT ABOUT ALL THE KILLINGS THERE?"

It doesn't matter what you say...anything that can be tangentially pointed to the fact that a lot of people get murdered in Chicago will be, regardless of whether it has anything to do with the topic or not.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

No, instead they were leftists. But that's still not the issue. Dayton Shooter was a Bernie/Warren fan. El Paso shooter advocated Open Borders, UBI, and a bunch of other leftist ideas, assuming he did actually write that document.

And neither matters. What matters is that you have two nut jobs - and I'm still wondering what psychiatric drugs they were on - who thought killing is a good idea, the answer to a problem. Gun restrictions don't stop people who don't follow the law anyway. There is already a law against murder.

 

[SummerMadness]

No, instead they were leftists. But that's still not the issue. Dayton Shooter was a Bernie/Warren fan. El Paso shooter advocated Open Borders, UBI, and a bunch of other leftist ideas, assuming he did actually write that document.

And neither matters. What matters is that you have two nut jobs - and I'm still wondering what psychiatric drugs they were on - who thought killing is a good idea, the answer to a problem. Gun restrictions don't stop people who don't follow the law anyway. There is already a law against murder.

This is in line with the argument made for every shooter that is white, somehow it is always mental illness. Racism isn't a mental illness. Whenever the perpetrator is non-white, it is always a reflection of culture, community and racism, but not the case for these killers? White nationalism and its push for normalization is a factor in many of these cases. Most mental illnesses require, for a full diagnosis, that the person is having difficulty functioning in a major aspect of their life. If you can acquire weapons, plan an attack, and carry it out, that may be abnormal behavior, but it's not "mental illness."

We also see the president and his followers calling out violent video games... is it the 1980s again? I guess we'll start talking reefer madness soon...

 

[Chesterton]

We Have a White Nationalist Terrorist Problem

First, this is prejudice because #notallwhitenationalists.

Second, that's completely ridiculous. You're just regurgitating false propaganda which stirs up more suspicion, fear and hatred, which will ultimately lead to more violence.

I listened to the police interrogation of that kid who shot the people in the church in Charleston. (I don't like to use the names of mass murderers.) He lived on the internet reading about race stuff. At one point, after telling detectives how he feels about black people, they ask if he's a member of or affiliated with any like-minded groups. He says "no, there aren't any. There are no nazis, no skinheads. There's the KKK but they don't do anything."

 

[mkgal1]

Sadly we killed most of these 'terrorists' before we can interview them regarding their motivation. To solve a problem you must first know what it is.

Except for the El Paso shooter. He was arrested - not killed.

And, from what I understand, he's admitted to his motivation being the "Hispanic invasion of Texas" ~ El Paso Shooting Suspect’s Manifesto Echoes Trump’s Language

El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’

Shooter tells the world why he did it and GOP senator says: I guess we'll never know why

 

[SummerMadness]

Statement of APA President in Response to Mass Shootings in Texas, Ohio

That shooting is being investigated as a hate crime, as it should be. Psychological science has demonstrated the damage that racism can inflict on its targets. Racism has been shown to have negative cognitive and behavioral effects on both children and adults and to increase anxiety, depression, self-defeating thoughts and avoidance behaviors.

Routinely blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded and stigmatizing. Research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with, or in treatment for, mental illness. The rates of mental illness are roughly the same around the world, yet other countries are not experiencing these traumatic events as often as we face them. One critical factor is access to, and the lethality of, the weapons that are being used in these crimes. Adding racism, intolerance and bigotry to the mix is a recipe for disaster.

The issue is not mental illness of the shooters, if you want to focus on ensuring the psychological well-being of people, then provide support for the targets of racist violence.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Statement of APA President in Response to Mass Shootings in Texas, Ohio


The issue is not mental illness of the shooters, if you want to focus on ensuring the psychological well-being of people, then provide support for the targets of racist violence.

Too bad we can't have a legitimate 'conversation' about racism. It might be helpful.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

How are you sure that the Dayton shooter was a "white nationalist"? It seems xe was a socialist:

Betts "he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.” The Greene County Board of Elections lists his party as “Dem.”​

Betts might've self-identified as non-white, and it would therefore be racist to assume xe was "white".

What’s xe mean?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

This topic is about terrorism committed by white nationalists, it is not a vehicle for an off-topic rant about Chicago (a city that is only brought when white supremacists start indiscriminately exterminating people). Please stay on-topic and if you have a concern about gun violence in Chicago (which only seems to be brought up when the topic involves white supremacy), then start that thread about a topic of great concern.

The moral decline is a common denominator for both Chicago and white nationalist shooters too. The point I am making is that there was more violence in Chicago in a normal month than all these mass shootings combined. My solution addressed both situations too so it is not as off topic as you suppose. Finding common grounds and broad based ideas is a good thing and if the root cause of all our problems is sin perhaps that is what we should be calling people to do is turn from sin to God.