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Have we come so far as a nation, that we no longer need rules? It would appear that most young people today think so. Without respect for absolutes or moral integrity what place do they have in society?

This may explain the blatant disregard for authority that is so pervasive in our culture.

I'm not speaking of adolescence. That can be expected...planned for, we've all been there. I'm talking about the staggering number of "leftover kids" from all of the broken homes that don't have a sense of morals at all because their parents haven't instilled core values. They cherish the relationship with them more than their commitment to helping that young person develop into an adult that knows how to properly think critically about himself or herself and the world that they live in.


Most adults today think that it would be unfair to try and "control" their kids. They're afraid to tackle the tough issues because they themselves don't have the answers. All the so-called experts are advising them not to "upset the child" and cause them to runaway or make foolish decisions, so they back off and leave it to people like Jerry Springer, Ricki Lake, Jenny Jones or our public school system (which is already so overburdened). Or they have shame issues of their own and don't feel qualified or, worthy, to promulgate ethics in the home. Many times it's due to manipulation from the child.

All it would take is a quick look around to see that there is something terribly disconcerting going on. Something that is slowly veering out of control with young minds that are too immature to interpret reality.

If you lived in a large apartment building with a balcony fifty stories up but the railing was missing, your security would be greatly compromised and you wouldn't feel safe enough to venture out. You would have to disregard safety and common sense to be out there. However if you grew up without the railing or any warning about the laws of gravity you would most certainly walk the edge, snickering at those who would vehemently decline the offer thinking yourself to be, smarter, more courageous and daring. Conversely if the railing was in the dining room or at the kitchen table you may end up vulnerable to attack due to a lack of assertiveness.

Of course these are oversimplified illustrations but I'm sure you get the point.

Todays culture, has built into it, mechanisms that protect our kids from following rules that we lay down for them by teaching them quick responses to maneuver through and around our arguments. Disrespecting our position as parent and the vital role that we must play.

It is true that we need to cultivate a connection between parent and child but we must parent effectively! We can then enjoy the fruits of camaraderie found exclusively in meaningful relationships. When they attack us with hurtful words and crude behavior, they'll know that when they're all done with their exaggerated displays of passion, the Standard that you have set will not be moved and upon remembering your love and the "good times", provided there are those memories (and hopefully there are many) they will eventually rescind until the next butting of heads.

We must remain the Parent(s) and preserve our headship.
Even if we don't feel like the adult, we have a responsibility to our children to find our place as one.

I know that with my own three kids I've had to forego their acceptance of me on many occasions. It is not necessarily pleasant either. I hate being on the outside of my childs frame of reference, it's scary! But they eventually come back around, knowing that no matter what happens, their mother and I will be there for them, to help them through the process, speaking the truth in love. They see God in their parents, taking care of them as only He can. Ready to heal the brokenhearted with tenderness, patience and forgiveness through the comfort found in the maintained relationship and the Sacrifices made.

Your child will buck and the more room you allow them, the more they'll buck, this is normal. There's a delicate balance between punishment and discipline, consequences and thoughtful creative ways of teaching them to respect you, discipleship is a process. May we all find our place, before a whole generation of mothers is brought to shame because of the uncertainty of our roles. What a tragedy it would be indeed, if we lost who we were in a whirlpool of Law & Politics. Our children would most certainly suffer , simply because we were too spiritually lazy to get the facts.
 

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They sky in your world must be dark indeed. I don't know parent--single or not--who raises thier children in the manner that you are accusing most parents.

I agree. Obviously there are some out there. You see it on the news. But I've come to believe that the news has always reported what is the minority in our world. Murder, rape and abuse. It's around, but it is not abundant. I don't think so anyway. Maybe my world is just cherries. But when we go to the park or the library, the kids are behaved and when ever they do start to get rambunctious, I see the parents taking hold of the situations. I don't believe our world is going to hell in a hand basket, because I see for myself what IS NOT reported every day on the stinking television. LOVE!
 
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I will grant to the poster that if you believe what you see on most internet chat boards is "normal", it appears that children today have no sense of right or wrong, and no moral values.

However, working with young people, daily, face to face, I find they do have moral values, and a strong sense of right and wrong.

A wise man once told me, "Remember, the internet was, for the most part, the place where people who did not fit in well with real society went to gather. They set up the attitude and format, and hide behind screens. It is not a real indicator of the majority of people."

I think the Internet is becoming more "normal", but for a long time it really was the last resort of the misfits.
 
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I do agree that a lot of people have no respect for authority or for life for that matter. I actually heard someone on the phone before telling someone he would "pop a cap in him for $50".

I don't think it is the majority of people though.
 
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Unique outlook!
I do not pretend that all people have the same values. We are a product of our enviornment. You can choose how raise your children, but other families are entitled on how to raise theres.
I think you are talking about control of situations you have no control over. I trust that God will point my child in the right direction we only have our children for a short time how we choose to raise them. If you are a christain you will raise them up with those values.
You cannot control all situations all the time if you try you will worn out while doing so.
Someone told me a long time ago. God interviens were we cannot. What that means you can pray for people and change because you have no control over it only God does. God gives people chioces.
Example: Adam and Eve in the garden with the apple.
 
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May we all find our place, before a whole generation of mothers is brought to shame because of the uncertainty of our roles. What a tragedy it would be indeed, if we lost who we were in a whirlpool of Law & Politics. Our children would most certainly suffer , simply because we were too spiritually lazy to get the facts.

you had me until this...do you think that is what is happening? that mothers are uncertain of their roles? Spiritually lazy? What "facts" are you talking about?

My mother and father were never lazy or uncertain of their roles. But still my sister had difficulty in her life...i won't go into detail. But sometimes it's NOT the parent's fault. Children eventually think for themselves regardless how well their foundation is laid!
 
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All the so-called experts are advising them not to "upset the child" and cause them to runaway or make foolish decisions, so they back off and leave it to people like Jerry Springer, Ricki Lake, Jenny Jones or our public school system (which is already so overburdened).


ricki lake and jenni jones? they were talk show hosts like 10 yrs ago! this OP has got to be a cut and paste article from YEARS ago..weirdness
 
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...this is so cool. First, let me say that i am NOT speaking of Christian mothers, nor their unfeigning love for their children.

What i am talking about are the kids that have no direction. This generation is growing up in a culture of death. Divorce and carnage everywhere. We need to hold up the Standard, not compromise to be their friend. Let them buck it's cool, they'll respect you in the morning. :wink: We need to guard against what comes into our homes, what they're listening to, who their friends are etc We need to take on a very definite role as parent. Even Dr Spock says he was wrong. If we can keep our houses clean then our kids will be salt and light to the rest.

They WANT boundries, they WANT rules, don't let them kid you. LOVE :)

...by the way i did write it.
 
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...are you ladies still with me?

i meant no disrespect; but i am attempting to clarify are you game? i'm happily married with three great kids, there's no ill here on my part i'm just trying to communicate effectively.

When i wrote of mothers being brought to shame, that's a biblical way of speaking to the larger issue of "kids" today not mothers. A mother who has been brought to shame by her children...because of a, b and c not "shameful mothers" (the fathers role in the home is critical and men also desperately need to be involved with the proccess by the way or at the very least a close male friend of the family, Christian counselor, Pastor etc).

i would agree that many of our young people are doing well, i have three that are making very good choices and i'm proud of them (and humbled before God). However unfortunately that's not the case for most and we need to be talking about this.
 
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:) I'm still with you...
and I agree with your last two posts.
When my DH chooses to be our boys' "friend" and not "father," they act out.
When he disciplines in a loving way, they grow closer to him. Does that make sense?
In service today, the pastor talked briefly about being "co-dependent" on our children: our lives being based around our children--not God.
If we "live for God" as we are told to in scripture ("do everything whole-heartedly as if unto the Lord") as well as preach the gospel to our children, perhaps they will see God in our actions and choose the narrow path.
But we still cannot "force" our children down that path.
It is a path of truth that they must choose for themselves.
The pastor also said "we live with a sense of guilt over things we cannot control."
I believe this to be true, at least for me.
what we can control is, as you said, what we expose our children to. However, eventually they will have to venture out into "the big bad world." but hopefully armed with the Grace of God.
 
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...wow co dependent on our kids, that's deep. That's exactly what i'm saying though, thank you for chiming in i thought i'd lost you guys. i'm not trying to pick a fight that's for sure but we do need to be talking about this and there are a lot of single moms that feel really helpless in regard to this topic of discipline...my mom was in that situation in the 70s. It wasn't nearly as easy as it is in modern times but there are "new challenges" that come along with being a single parent today that weren't there then.

...bottom line? You can't have rules without a relationship...and you can't have a relationship without rules. i forget who said that; but boy it sure stuck with me. We're not here to be their friend, yet. That comes later if we've done our job. We're supposed to be their cheerleader and coach. That means discipleship, which you mentioned...training for adulthood, period.
 
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that's so true about relationships and rules. Our children need us to be parents first. most definitely.
We need to be true roll models and teach them to respect authority. Wether you are Christian or not.
And of course being Christian, I want my boys to know Jesus. So i try to take them to church so they are around that type of model behavior.
I'm not saying that all Christians exhibit "model" behavior, but the odds are definitley for it.
 
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