We could actually be this close..?

[guyver]

Charles Lawson gives an interesting plausible scenario of what could unfold from what is happening right now in the middle east.
If he's scenario does play out as he sees it , then we are indeed living in exciting times.

 

[MForbes]

End times scenario #10,453,973
Nothing to see here folks. Just another non-event.

 

[guyver]

End times scenario #10,453,973
Nothing to see here folks. Just another non-event.

Well we won't know that just yet , we'll have to wait and see how things pan out.

 

[guyver]

Exciting?! With so much deception, death, destruction, rampant diseases, man-made and otherwise multitudes of troubles unchecked, and certainly we are in the last hour.

Yep we are told to expect such things.

I don't know if I would call that exciting, or not, except of course
that we are that close to Jesus Returning.

And that 'IS' the exiting part.

Luke 21:25 - 25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[guyver]

Oh and I forgot to mention in my OP folks.
That Iran is scheduled to join BRICS on 1 January 2024

From Wikipedia :

New members​

A total of six countries are scheduled to join BRICS on 1 January 2024:

• Argentina (opposed by the two main opposition presidential candidates)
• Egypt
• Ethiopia
• Iran
• Saudi Arabia
• United Arab Emirates

And that's why I believe Charles Lawson's possible scenario may indeed play out.

 

[Yekcidmij]

End times scenario #10,453,973
Nothing to see here folks. Just another non-event.

Yea, recall the same hubbub in the 2006 Lebanon War. Every time, someone inevitably comes along to proclaim or suggest the end times. It's basically like clockwork. It's almost liturgy for some.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Oh and I forgot to mention in my OP folks.
That Iran is scheduled to join BRICS on 1 January 2024

From Wikipedia :

New members​

A total of six countries are scheduled to join BRICS on 1 January 2024:

• Argentina (opposed by the two main opposition presidential candidates)
• Egypt
• Ethiopia
• Iran
• Saudi Arabia
• United Arab Emirates

And that's why I believe Charles Lawson's possible scenario may indeed play out.

What does this have to do with anything at all?

 

[Douggg]

Charles Lawson gives an interesting plausible scenario of what could unfold from what is happening right now in the middle east.
If he's scenario does play out as he sees it , then we are indeed living in exciting times.

guyver, I watched the video. The pastor made several mistakes in his presentation. One mistake being he said after the Gog/Magog event it will be seven years to bury the dead - but in the text of Ezekiel 39, it says 7 months. The pastor appears to me to be schooled in the Dallas Theological Seminary train of thought on the end times.

In the video, his scenario is that the current events in Israel and the Hamas attack and reprisals could lead to the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38/39. Which it could. But he does not understand a lot of things - like he interjected the Antichrist will make a peace treaty with Israel - a classic mistake in understanding what the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is - but has been repeated by pastors and commentators like himself so much, that they don't realize that wrong, nor do they understand what the role of being the Antichrist is.

 

[3 Resurrections]

guyver, I watched the video. The pastor made several mistakes in his presentation.

Yeah, he did. The first mistake I heard was that John the Baptist was not Elijah who was to come. Christ tells us point blank that John the Baptist was that prophesied Elijah who was to come (Matthew 11:14). Why would anybody want to contradict Christ?

He is also mistaken on bringing Russia into the mix as Ezekiel 38's "chief Prince"; wrong about a supposed future Antichrist breaking a 7-year treaty, wrong about 7 years for burying the bodies and weapons of war after the battle of Gog, wrong about the modern nation of Iran being the fulfillment of some Persians among Gog's army, wrong about the location of the second temple...I'm losing track of the number of mistakes he made.

This generation which was steeped in Pre-trib Dispensational newspaper eisegesis will pass soon enough, and hopefully their mistaken theology will pass with them.

 

[Douggg]

Yeah, he did. The first mistake I heard was that John the Baptist was not Elijah who was to come. Christ tells us point blank that John the Baptist was that prophesied Elijah who was to come (Matthew 11:14). Why would anybody want to contradict Christ?

Agreed. The pastor acted like John the Baptist could have been Elijah had the Jews embraced Jesus and the Gospel of Salvation. But that would not have made him Elijah.

He is also mistaken on bringing Russia into the mix as Ezekiel 38's "chief Prince"; wrong about a supposed future Antichrist breaking a 7-year treaty, wrong about 7 years for burying the bodies and weapons of war after the battle of Gog, wrong about the modern nation of Iran being the fulfillment of some Persians among Gog's army, wrong about the location of the second temple...I'm losing track of the number of mistakes he made.

The pastor said that the Russians were interested in getting high tech missiles from Iran to help them in their war against Ukraine. Which just the opposite is the case, the Russians are more technology advanced in that area.

This generation which was steeped in Pre-trib Dispensational newspaper eisegesis will pass soon enough, and hopefully their mistaken theology will pass with them.

Well, I think his scenario is coming from the Dallas Theological Seminary thinking. He is pastor of a Baptist church, and I get the impression that they think along the same line as far as eschatology.

One of the things he got right is that Persia in Ezekiel 38:5 is Iran.

 

[3 Resurrections]

One of the things he got right is that Persia in Ezekiel 38:5 is Iran.

Naah, not even that is right. The LXX specifically says that Gog's army would have some "Persians" in it - not that the entire nation of Persia would be aligned with Gog.

 

[lanceleo]

Exciting?! With so much deception, death, destruction, rampant diseases, man-made and otherwise multitudes of troubles unchecked, and certainly we are in the last hour..... I don't know if I would call that exciting, or not, except of course
that we are that close to Jesus Returning.

This would also mean God's hand of mercy will be withdrawn soon from mankind. We ought to spread the gospels as quickly and as wide as we can.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Exciting?! With so much deception, death, destruction, rampant diseases, man-made and otherwise multitudes of troubles unchecked, and certainly we are in the last hour.....

No, John announced long ago that the "last hour" had come upon those he was writing to in 1 John 2:18. "Little children, it is the last hour..."

 

[Douggg]

Naah, not even that is right. The LXX specifically says that Gog's army would have some "Persians" in it - not that the entire nation of Persia would be aligned with Gog.

Could you please do a copy and paste of verse 5.

I checked with the online Tanach, English Translation, at Chabag.ord Jewish site - it it is pretty much the same at the kjv.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Could you please do a copy and paste of verse 5.

"Persians, and Ethiopians, and Libyans; all with helmets and shields." (Ezekiel 38:5 LXX). This doesn't necessarily state or even imply that Gog's army would have these entire nations aligned with his forces; only that there would be some members in Gog's army that originated from those particular nations, all wearing helmets and carrying shields.

YES!!! , that actually is what I was referring to. It is even more, for us, now, today, the last hour.... maybe simply the last ten seconds ? .... in the Creator's Timetable....

No, you misunderstand my point, and that of the scripture. Many texts in the NT state that those were the "last days" in their generation. Those "last DAYS" presented in the epistles had already progressed to the "last HOUR" by the time 1 John 2:18 was written. It goes against all common sense for that "last HOUR" to still be on hold for some 2,000 years and counting, especially when 1 Peter 4:7 announced "But the end of all things is AT HAND.." for that first-century generation. The words "at hand" mean presently in place for those hearing those words.

 

[guyver]

We start out dismantling Charles Lawson only to find we begin to dimantle each other , quite funny really.

 

[Douggg]

We start out dismantling Charles Lawson only to find we begin to dimantle each other , quite funny really.

Well, it doesn't change the events going on involving Israel right now. Everyone should try and focus on that.

 

[guyver]

Well, it doesn't change the events going on involving Israel right now. Everyone should try and focus on that.

Yes I totally agree with you Douggg. And I was surprised by the amount of pastors/preachers all saying the same thing as Charles Lawson.
Looks like hes not alone in his thinking.

 

[Douggg]

Yes I totally agree with you Douggg. And I was surprised by the amount of pastors/preachers all saying the same thing as Charles Lawson.
Looks like hes not alone in his thinking.

I agree, he is not alone in his thinking.

 

[3 Resurrections]

agree, he is not alone in his thinking.

That only means he is not alone in his error.