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We are not special

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A human being is like any other organism having a essence,instinct or inner nature comprising it's being and any other extras like that of pleasure is a constructed passion from man himself not that of nature in all reality.

Passion itself is not a extension of nature but instead is a extension of man but compassion however has it's roots in naturality.

Though I may be born in a receptive state on birth with a clean state through living and expirience my essence is formed making me what I am.

Although I will admit from creation itself there seems to be some essence that seems to be genetical or biological that predetermines some things but not all things. I stand by my statement though.

Human beings are unique in many ways. Self awareness, intelligence, ability to love and not love.
 
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Not in the way Jesus defines love in the parable of the good Samaritan.

That's not a definition, it's an example. Why do you think dolphins and monkeys can't love? I know they mourn their dead and can develop psychological issues from early childhood trauma. Despite what you may like to believe, christian, higher order mammals are not that different from us.
 
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I look at the size of the universe, 78 billion lightyears across (and thats just how far we can see. its actually bigger) and all the billions of galaxies within it. in our milky way alone there 500 million stars if not more.
i know that the probability of a planet having life on it is much smaller than a planet not having life but looking at the massiveness of our universe its absolutely impossible for me to think that we're alone, that we're special. if there is a God, I have difficulty believing He would waste so much time on an insignifcant group of self destructive organisms when there is an entire universe to take care of.
I look at the night sky and say to myself, there has to be soemthing more out there. This incredible existence of ours is beyond the simplistic view of one almighty being.
That is a pretty negative perspective on humanity you have there.

Anyways, regardless of the expansiveness of the universe, there are many different factors taht work against having life that is similar to our own. First you must think that life must develop...a small probability. Then that life must evolve into a higher functioning carbon based life form...a infinately small probablity. Stack on top of that that this lifeform must become intelligent and develop emotions and I'd have to say that the probability of their being beings similar to ourselves is so small that one that considers us to be unique or 'special' may not be so very far from the mark.

Think about it...having life in and of itself is a small chance...have life on another planet develop into beings similar to our own through such a unique evolutional series that we have would probably be more reason to believe in the presense of a higher power then anything else I have yet encountered in my lifetime.
 
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That is a pretty negative perspective on humanity you have there.

Anyways, regardless of the expansiveness of the universe, there are many different factors taht work against having life that is similar to our own. First you must think that life must develop...a small probability. Then that life must evolve into a higher functioning carbon based life form...a infinately small probablity. Stack on top of that that this lifeform must become intelligent and develop emotions and I'd have to say that the probability of their being beings similar to ourselves is so small that one that considers us to be unique or 'special' may not be so very far from the mark.

Think about it...having life in and of itself is a small chance...have life on another planet develop into beings similar to our own through such a unique evolutional series that we have would probably be more reason to believe in the presense of a higher power then anything else I have yet encountered in my lifetime.
Really now? You forget the fact that there are over 2 trillion galaxies in the universe, each containing about 100 billion stars, and nearly triple that in planets and asteroids. This gives an infinite capability for life to thrive and replicate just like us. The universe is expanding(physically) every second a size the entire area and volume of the milky way.
 
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That's not a definition, it's an example. Why do you think dolphins and monkeys can't love? I know they mourn their dead and can develop psychological issues from early childhood trauma. Despite what you may like to believe, christian, higher order mammals are not that different from us.

The parable of a the good Samaritan is a defintion of the love Jesus was talking about when He said we should love our neighbor. I never said dolphins could not love. I did say they have not built hospitals and learned to be supportive of injured sharks. Despite what you may like to believe humans are a lot different from all the other animals. One of the main differences is the human ability to be compassionate about all creatures and to help each other in times of trouble, not just mother instincts for a child but far deeper than that. Another huge difference is the human capacity to contemplate divine purpose.
 
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The parable of a the good Samaritan is a defintion of the love Jesus was talking about when He said we should love our neighbor. I never said dolphins could not love. I did say they have not built hospitals and learned to be supportive of injured sharks. Despite what you may like to believe humans are a lot different from all the other animals. One of the main differences is the human ability to be compassionate about all creatures and to help each other in times of trouble, not just mother instincts for a child but far deeper than that. Another huge difference is the human capacity to contemplate divine purpose.

Elman, do you know the difference between a definition and an example?
You're not speaking about love, you're speaking about pity. Pity is a disadvantage to a race, because it lets the sickly and the weak survive. To this extent, other animals are better suited to survive then are we. The same is true of the contemplation of divine purpose.
 
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Elman, do you know the difference between a definition and an example?
You're not speaking about love, you're speaking about pity. Pity is a disadvantage to a race, because it lets the sickly and the weak survive. To this extent, other animals are better suited to survive then are we. The same is true of the contemplation of divine purpose.

Jesus is the one that said love your neighbor and when asked who is my neighbor gave the parable of the Good Samaritan. That showed what was meant by love your neighbor. Pity if it is compassion for one in trouble that leads you to help the one in trouble, is love. Survival of the fittest is not the law that is at the core of Christianity. Compassion for the sick and weak is the core of Christianity and I am speaking of love which is the basis of the teachings of Jesus. Survival is the end all of other animals. It is not the end all of Humans.
 
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Really now? You forget the fact that there are over 2 trillion galaxies in the universe, each containing about 100 billion stars, and nearly triple that in planets and asteroids. This gives an infinite capability for life to thrive and replicate just like us. The universe is expanding(physically) every second a size the entire area and volume of the milky way.
The number of inhabitable planets are far less then your said number...and the unique path that we took evolutionary...was...well...unique. I'm not really saying that there are not higher end beings in the universe. I'm not saying there is not intelligent life (perhaps more intelligent then our own) in the universe.

I am saying that we are unique...or 'special'. The probability of there being beings or are even remotely similar to ourselves in functions...let alone shape, in a different galaxy is next to none...its also pretty arrogant and selfish to assume that any other beings would be similar to ourselves taking into consideration the fact that their environment and evolutionary path will be unique to theirselves and most likely lead to a different being altogether.

It is much more likely to say that while there is most likely life other then ourselves out there...even intelligent life or life more intelligent then our own, that that life will not be able to be accurately depicted by a human unless contact is made.

So, life other then us...most likely. Life that 'thrives and replicates just like us"...most likely not.
 
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No. An example is a particular case, while a definition is a general case. My definition, no particular case can simultaneously be the general case. An example can give an idea, but it can never be a definition. I am tired of arguing with you, because I'm not sure whether you're being obstinate or just don't know any better, and honestly, either one would be pretty miserable.
 
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