We are all being deceived.

[fated]

I agree

In India, where the law has some religious protections, there are still wide spread and difficult to enforce or unfettered human rights violations, especially regarding "conversions."

I'm discussing how to get "around to" actual justice, while alleviating the suffering of the poor (of which there is no shortage).

 

[Carey]

2:190Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena

2:191And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you and refuse to become faithful to Allah, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena

2:192But if they cease and become faithful to Allah, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun

2:193And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease,
and become faithful to Allah, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena

 

[fated]

2:190Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena

2:191And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you and refuse to become faithful to Allah, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena

2:192But if they cease and become faithful to Allah, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun

2:193And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease,
and become faithful to Allah, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena

I don't know what you're trying to say, but on the surface, your understanding of Islamic theology seems pretty bad, and based on a poor interpretation heuristic. It might make sense if you were a terrorist, I suppose.

 

[Carey]

I think this makes them all terrorists even if they don't like it!!

If you cannot get this by reading it your are blind.

2:216Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwakurhun lakum waAAasa an takrahoo shay-an wahuwa khayrunlakum waAAasa an tuhibboo shay-an wahuwa sharrunlakum waAllahu yaAAlamu waantum lataAAlamoona

8:38Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). Qul lillatheena kafaroo in yantahooyughfar lahum ma qad salafa wa-in yaAAoodoo faqad madatsunnatu al-awwaleena

8:39And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun

9:14Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers, Qatiloohum yuAAaththibhumu Allahubi-aydeekum wayukhzihim wayansurkum AAalayhim wayashfi sudooraqawmin mu/mineena

9:15And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Wayuthhib ghaythaquloobihim wayatoobu Allahu AAala man yashaowaAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun

9:16Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Apostle, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. Am hasibtum an tutrakoo walammayaAAlami Allahu allatheena jahadoo minkumwalam yattakhithoo min dooni Allahi walarasoolihi wala almu/mineena waleejatan waAllahukhabeerun bima taAAmaloona

 

[fated]

I think this makes them all terrorists even if they don't like it!!

If you cannot get this by reading it your are blind.

2:216Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwakurhun lakum waAAasa an takrahoo shay-an wahuwa khayrunlakum waAAasa an tuhibboo shay-an wahuwa sharrunlakum waAllahu yaAAlamu waantum lataAAlamoona

8:38Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). Qul lillatheena kafaroo in yantahooyughfar lahum ma qad salafa wa-in yaAAoodoo faqad madatsunnatu al-awwaleena

8:39And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun

9:14Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers, Qatiloohum yuAAaththibhumu Allahubi-aydeekum wayukhzihim wayansurkum AAalayhim wayashfi sudooraqawmin mu/mineena

9:15And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Wayuthhib ghaythaquloobihim wayatoobu Allahu AAala man yashaowaAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun

9:16Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Apostle, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. Am hasibtum an tutrakoo walammayaAAlami Allahu allatheena jahadoo minkumwalam yattakhithoo min dooni Allahi walarasoolihi wala almu/mineena waleejatan waAllahukhabeerun bima taAAmaloona

There is massive opportunity in Judaism for abuses as well.

Again, your theology is a butchery of what you want to paint Islam as.

 

[Carey]

There is massive opportunity in Judaism for abuses as well.

Again, your theology is a butchery of what you want to paint Islam as.

Trying to compare Judaism and Islam is ridiculous.

I have seen many lies from muslims state that.

But the fact is Judaism never says slay ALL unbelievers unless they turn Jew especially outside of your own land. Jews don't want to convert anyone to Jew. Jews don't want the whole world they only want their land of Canaan that GOd gave them. That is not much to ask . It is a tiny piece of dirt.

You read for yourself The Quran says slay them where you can find them and even persue them outside Islamic lands unless they turn Muslim and that is because it is Islams goal to make the whole world Islamic.

 

[Micah68]

In India, where the law has some religious protections, there are still wide spread and difficult to enforce or unfettered human rights violations, especially regarding "conversions."

I'm discussing how to get "around to" actual justice, while alleviating the suffering of the poor (of which there is no shortage).

For justice to work it must be evenly applied to all sides. All life must be treat equal or peace will never be. As Christians, our responsibility is to love one another, even our enemy; this is tough work, enough for a life time. This should be our only concern loving/caring for one another as ourself.

 

[fated]

Trying to compare Judaism and Islam is ridiculous.

I have seen many lies from muslims state that.

But the fact is Judaism never says slay ALL unbelievers unless they turn Jew especially outside of your own land. Jews don't want to convert anyone to Jew. Jews don't want the whole world they only want their land of Canaan that GOd gave them. That is not much to ask . It is a tiny piece of dirt.

You read for yourself The Quran says slay them where you can find them and even persue them outside Islamic lands unless they turn Muslim and that is because it is Islams goal to make the whole world Islamic.

You should consider Islam as it is taught and accepted. Non-Muslims are (generally) to be "destroyed" ideologically. You should study human rights according to Islam. There are many things that yield murder as a most grave offense and that chew away at the word "infidel" and universalize the idea of being under Islam.

It is difficult, to be sure, to even out differences that may be caused by bias alone.

In parts of the Middle East and even Europe, Muslims are very childish, touchy, and sensitive about insults (real or assumed) to Islam and this often leads them to be erratic and senseless, which is a reflection on their spiritual leadership and maturity, culture, and governments. Their law often does not reflect their supposed human rights beliefs and so forth, BUT, it isn't nearly as bad as you tell it.

 

[Micah68]

Trying to compare Judaism and Islam is ridiculous.

I have seen many lies from muslims state that.

But the fact is Judaism never says slay ALL unbelievers unless they turn Jew especially outside of your own land. Jews don't want to convert anyone to Jew. Jews don't want the whole world they only want their land of Canaan that GOd gave them. That is not much to ask . It is a tiny piece of dirt.

You read for yourself The Quran says slay them where you can find them and even persue them outside Islamic lands unless they turn Muslim and that is because it is Islams goal to make the whole world Islamic.

....and Carey how do you justify your belief, are not your feelings a kin to 'slay them' with regard to Islam/Muslims?

If only, as Christians, we could focus on our own weaknesses and imperfections. If only we could, truly, live as Christ taught.

 

[Micah68]

2:190Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena

002.190

YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

PICKTHAL: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

2:191And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you and refuse to become faithful to Allah, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena

2:192But

002.191
YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight youthere; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

if they cease and become faithful to Allah, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun

2:193And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease,
and become faithful to Allah, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena

002.193

YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Carey how about going to some new web sites, for education, that does not spread hate and incitement?

Mission Relations: Friends and Neighbors

Karen Armstrong (a christian) is a true historian and scholar of Islam.

Karen Armstrong: The curse of the infidel
2002-06-24 07:31:44​

A century ago Muslim intellectuals admired the west. Why did we lose their goodwill? Karen Armstrong (The Guardian) Thursday June 20, 2002 On July 15 1099, the crusaders from western Europe conquered Jerusalem, falling upon its Jewish and Muslim inhabitants like the avenging angels from the Apocalypse. In a massacre that makes September 11 look puny in comparison, some 40,000 people were slaughtered in two days. A thriving, populous city had been transformed into a stinking charnel house. Yet in Europe scholar monks hailed this crime against humanity as the greatest event in world history since the crucifixion of Christ.
The crusades destabilised the Near East, but made little impression on the Islamic world as a whole. In the west, however, they were crucial and formative. This was the period when western Christendom was beginning to recover from the long period of barbarism known as the Dark Ages, and the crusades were the first cooperative act of the new Europe as she struggled back on to the international scene. We continue to talk about "crusades" for justice and peace, and praise a "crusading journalist" who is bravely uncovering some salutary truth, showing that at some unexamined level, crusading is still acceptable to the western soul. One of its most enduring legacies is a profound hatred of Islam. (Continued)

 

[Carey]

Carey how about going to some new web sites, for education, that does not spread hate and incitement?

Mission Relations: Friends and Neighbors

Karen Armstrong (a christian) is a true historian and scholar of Islam.

Karen Armstrong: The curse of the infidel
2002-06-24 07:31:44​

A century ago Muslim intellectuals admired the west. Why did we lose their goodwill? Karen Armstrong (The Guardian) Thursday June 20, 2002 On July 15 1099, the crusaders from western Europe conquered Jerusalem, falling upon its Jewish and Muslim inhabitants like the avenging angels from the Apocalypse. In a massacre that makes September 11 look puny in comparison, some 40,000 people were slaughtered in two days. A thriving, populous city had been transformed into a stinking charnel house. Yet in Europe scholar monks hailed this crime against humanity as the greatest event in world history since the crucifixion of Christ.
The crusades destabilised the Near East, but made little impression on the Islamic world as a whole. In the west, however, they were crucial and formative. This was the period when western Christendom was beginning to recover from the long period of barbarism known as the Dark Ages, and the crusades were the first cooperative act of the new Europe as she struggled back on to the international scene. We continue to talk about "crusades" for justice and peace, and praise a "crusading journalist" who is bravely uncovering some salutary truth, showing that at some unexamined level, crusading is still acceptable to the western soul. One of its most enduring legacies is a profound hatred of Islam. (Continued)

I did not go to a hate site.

I simply copy and pasted Surahs from the Quran

Read them for yourself. They are very clear in their context.

I say treat muslims as I would treat myself.

If my eye makes me sin I should pluck it out. If my hand ..cut it off.

I say cut off and Pluck out Islam from the world because it causes sin.

 

[Carey]

You should consider Islam as it is taught and accepted. Non-Muslims are (generally) to be "destroyed" ideologically. You should study human rights according to Islam. There are many things that yield murder as a most grave offense and that chew away at the word "infidel" and universalize the idea of being under Islam.

It is difficult, to be sure, to even out differences that may be caused by bias alone.

In parts of the Middle East and even Europe, Muslims are very childish, touchy, and sensitive about insults (real or assumed) to Islam and this often leads them to be erratic and senseless, which is a reflection on their spiritual leadership and maturity, culture, and governments. Their law often does not reflect their supposed human rights beliefs and so forth, BUT, it isn't nearly as bad as you tell it.

I am not telling it the quran is plain I am somply copy and pasting directly from the quran and it is also in Arabic in my post

If you cannot get this by reading it your are blind.

2:216Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwakurhun lakum waAAasa an takrahoo shay-an wahuwa khayrunlakum waAAasa an tuhibboo shay-an wahuwa sharrunlakum waAllahu yaAAlamu waantum lataAAlamoona

8:38Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). Qul lillatheena kafaroo in yantahooyughfar lahum ma qad salafa wa-in yaAAoodoo faqad madatsunnatu al-awwaleena

8:39And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun

9:14Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers, Qatiloohum yuAAaththibhumu Allahubi-aydeekum wayukhzihim wayansurkum AAalayhim wayashfi sudooraqawmin mu/mineena

9:15And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Wayuthhib ghaythaquloobihim wayatoobu Allahu AAala man yashaowaAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun

9:16Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Apostle, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. Am hasibtum an tutrakoo walammayaAAlami Allahu allatheena jahadoo minkumwalam yattakhithoo min dooni Allahi walarasoolihi wala almu/mineena waleejatan waAllahukhabeerun bima taAAmaloona

I have read the Qur'an. Every word of it, cover to cover. And I recommend you do, too. There are a lot of things in the book but if you excerpted the parts on jihad, you would get a short how-to book. That is what follows. The article below might be called, How To Wage Jihad in a Nutshell, taken from the pages of Islam's most holy book, the Qur'an.

As it says in the Qur'an, if you're a believer, it is your duty to spend your time and money getting the whole world to submit to Islamic law, no matter how long it takes and even if you have other things you'd rather be doing. It is your duty. Allah expects it of you, and there are serious consequences in the afterlife if you don't. If you choose to accept Allah's mission, here's how to do it:

1. As a formality, always invite infidels to convert to Islam before you make war on them. They just might choose conversion rather than hostilities, and if they do, you've saved yourself a lot of time and money.

2. Probably they won't take you up on your offer, so if you already have your own Islamic state, find a way to provoke a hostile response from an infidel country. Keep provoking until you get a hostile response. Don't start outright war. Just provoke.

4. When you get a hostile response, use it as an excuse to escalate hostilities with that country. But make sure you call it "defending Islam." Never think of it (or portray it as) an aggressive war, either to your own people or to the infidels. Only do this when you are sure you will not be wiped out by the enemy's aggressive response.

5. When you aren't in a position to defeat the infidel country militarily, make peace treaties with it, without actually intending to keep the treaties. Use a treaty as a way to prevent the country from attacking you while you gain enough strength to defeat it later. Pour any extra money you have into building up the power of your Islamic state and military prowess.

5. Use deception against the infidels. Lie to them. Pretend to be their friend, but never actually allow yourself any friendly feeling toward an infidel. Portray yourself in such a way that prevents them from trying to suppress you while you gain strength. Always remember, every Muslim in the world, wherever he is, is your brother. Every infidel is your enemy.

6. Do whatever you can to increase the ratio of Muslims to non-Muslims. For example, have lots of children. Try your best to convert infidels peacefully to your religion. Men can marry up to four wives. Try to marry widows and convert infidel women to Islam and marry them. Gain a Muslim numerical advantage.

7. Undermine the infidels in any way you can without weakening your position. This is your most important activity when not actually in battle. In modern days, this might mean using the press to your advantage, trying to capitalize on any division you might perceive within the infidel country, immigrating to the country and trying to undermine their laws and pressing for Islamic concessions, strongly suppressing any criticism of Islam, giving money to organizations that will lobby for Muslim rights and organizations that will use the laws to put legal pressure on anyone who might slow down your jihad from within, using the internet to your advantage, infiltrating and invading into every place you can use to your advantage, taking full advantage of any freedoms and rights available in that country to eventually use them to undermine those freedoms and rights (by establishing Shari'a law) once you gain the reins of power. All of this is jihad. Jihad is not only fighting on the battlefield and killing. Jihad is total war.

8. Make jihad your overarching mission in life, but keep it a secret from the infidels, because revealing it would weaken Islam. In fact, try to convince the infidels that you only want peace. Devote your life to jihad, and use all the time and money you can spare to forward the cause. Nothing is more important than jihad. It is the supreme act of religious devotion, it proves your faith, and it is Allah's favorite act of worship, and that's why the only way a man can guarantee himself a place in heaven is if he dies while fighting in jihad.

9. If you cannot fight on the battlefield, fight in anyway you can, including giving money, or giving support to jihad in whatever way you can. In modern days, it might include going on web sites that criticize Islam to make comments that persuade the infidels it's not true, or at least confuse them enough they won't be motivated to do anything about it, going into the streets and protesting loudly whenever anyone criticizes Islam, even for something minor like a cartoon, etc.

10. Find any infidel allies, even unwitting ones, and use them to advance the cause of Allah. Later, when the country has become an Islamic state, you can hang the infidels who helped you. But for now, use them. For a modern example, if there is a prevailing notion in infidel lands that all belief systems must be respected, then use that to try to get Islamic propaganda into infidel schools, on their public television programs, etc. If there are groups who are actively working against your jihad, find out who is working against those people, and ally with them. For a modern example, in the U.S. conservatives tend to be more likely to try to stop jihadists than liberals, and liberals are against the conservatives, so try to side with liberals as much as possible, helping to get liberal leaders elected, supporting liberal newspapers, etc.

11. Do not try to convert people to Islam by force. Your goal is to convert governments to Islamic governments. Once a government becomes an Islamic state, if the population converts to Islam, fine. If not, then the new Islamic government will make a lot of money on the "infidelity tax" (the jizya — a tax on dhimmis, the subjugated non-Muslims). This is a good source of revenue you can then use to fund further Islamic expansion. The goal is universal Shari'a law rather than trying to force every person to be a Muslim.

 

[Micah68]

I did not go to a hate site.

I simply copy and pasted Surahs from the Quran

Read them for yourself. They are very clear in their context.

I say treat muslims as I would treat myself.

If my eye makes me sin I should pluck it out. If my hand ..cut it off.

I say cut off and Pluck out Islam from the world because it causes sin.

Carey,

You are the perfect example of how religion gets taken to the extreme by reading religious text out of the context with which they were written or intended. Your way of interpretation is no different than the extremist that high-jack (any) religion. As I said anything that promotes hatred or exclusion must be questioned, i.e. Jihad Watch, the title alone incites.

 

[Carey]

Carey,

You are the perfect example of how religion gets taken to the extreme by reading religious text out of the context with which they were written or intended. Your way of interpretation is no different than the extremist that high-jack (any) religion. As I said anything that promotes hatred or exclusion must be questioned, i.e. Jihad Watch, the title alone incites.

Anyone with the least bit of Common sense knows the Surahs I posted in post # 72 are perfectly in context.

And yas the latter part of that post was from an anti islamic site but the surahs I posted were directly from the quran and are in context .

Only a liar or someone who is decieved by Islam could not see and admit that.

 

[Micah68]

Anyone with the least bit of Common sense knows the Surahs I posted in post # 72 are perfectly in context.

And yas the latter part of that post was from an anti islamic site but the surahs I posted were directly from the quran and are in context .

Only a liar or someone who is decieved by Islam could not see and admit that.

Once again my point proven, you literally see, read and hear what you have been conditioned or programed to hear.

 

[Carey]

Once again my point proven, you literally see, read and hear what you have been conditioned or programed to hear.

No Micah thats you .

I would say more than 90 % of the readers of your posts know that and
don't bother esponding to your non sense because they follow the advice from Timothy that I also have in my signature.

I just keep praying their is hope for you and the lies from satan will stop poisoning your mind and blinding you to the common sense that I am sure any 4th grader could grasp if they had not been indoctrinated with false doctrine as you have.

I think you mus not really read what I post mainly for you and the readers who have had a similar indoctrination.

 

[Micah68]

No Micah thats you .

I would say more than 90 % of the readers of your posts know that and
don't bother esponding to your non sense because they follow the advice from Timothy that I also have in my signature.

I just keep praying their is hope for you and the lies from satan will stop poisoning your mind and blinding you to the common sense that I am sure any 4th grader could grasp if they had not been indoctrinated with false doctrine as you have.

I think you mus not really read what I post mainly for you and the readers who have had a similar indoctrination.

Thank you, one can always use prayer. I am curious what lies you, specifically, think I am spreading? Is it the one that God loves each one of us equally, yes even Muslims? or the one that all people deserve peace and justice? What lies Carey?

 

[Carey]

Thank you, one can always use prayer. I am curious what lies you, specifically, think I am spreading? Is it the one that God loves each one of us equally, yes even Muslims? or the one that all people deserve peace and justice? What lies Carey?

Yes God does love even Muslims. But God loves Jews , luke warm Christians, murderers, Atheist and Satan worshippers too enough to forgive them if they will repent of their likewise evil ways. But if they do not repent he will tell them at judgement day I never knew you.

Here are a few lies you have been fead and have spread.

1. Islam is a religion of peace.

2. Islam is not a religion bent on world domination

3. The Israeli Government is to blame for the Palestinians suffering

4. Israel does not have a right to exist and its people do not have a right to rule the land of Canaan they now rule.

 

[Micah68]

Yes God does love even Muslims. But God loves Jews , luke warm Christians, murderers, Atheist and Satan worshippers too enough to forgive them if they will repent of their likewise evil ways. But if they do not repent he will tell them at judgement day I never knew you.

Here are a few lies you have been fead and have spread.

1. Islam is a religion of peace.

2. Islam is not a religion bent on world domination

3. The Israeli Government is to blame for the Palestinians suffering

4. Israel does not have a right to exist and its people do not have a right to rule the land of Canaan they now rule.

Carey, 1,2 and 3 are the truth, just because YOU refuse to believe them do not make them lies, I stand by my (scholarly, i.e. University, Dr.s,Ph D's) links provided. Your # 4 is a lie, I NEVER EVER said that Israel does not have the right to exist. What I may have said is that they have the same right to live in peace and security the same as the Palestinian. Many of the links I have provided come from actual Israelis themselves. I will say again that modern day Israel is NOT historical Israel and does NOT have the right to steal, kill or cheat another out of their home or land, much less deny one the lively hood with which to provide for ones self and family. I will repeat again that until all life is treated as equal (each one of us born in the image of God), as God so loved "THE WORLD" that he sent his only Son, no one will see or realize peace. As followers of Christ we should be doing all we can to reconcile the differences between Jew, Muslim and Christian instead of trying to tear them apart. The very fact that you do not see my, only, desire is for peace for ALL those, (Jew, Muslim, Christian be they Israeli or Palestinian) in GOD'S Holy land speaks louder than any word.

I am curious when you stand before the Almighty what you will say when he asks you what you did to help your fellow brothers, neighbors, the Palestinians? What did you do to promote peace and understanding? What did you do to reveal Christ's love to all man kind?

 

[Carey]

Carey, 1,2 and 3 are the truth, just because YOU refuse to believe them do not make them lies, I stand by my (scholarly, i.e. University, Dr.s,Ph D's) links provided. Your # 4 is a lie, I NEVER EVER said that Israel does not have the right to exist. What I may have said is that they have the same right to live in peace and security the same as the Palestinian. Many of the links I have provided come from actual Israelis themselves. I will say again that modern day Israel is NOT historical Israel and does NOT have the right to steal, kill or cheat another out of their home or land, much less deny one the lively hood with which to provide for ones self and family. I will repeat again that until all life is treated as equal (each one of us born in the image of God), as God so loved "THE WORLD" that he sent his only Son, no one will see or realize peace. As followers of Christ we should be doing all we can to reconcile the differences between Jew, Muslim and Christian instead of trying to tear them apart. The very fact that you do not see my, only, desire is for peace for ALL those, (Jew, Muslim, Christian be they Israeli or Palestinian) in GOD'S Holy land speaks louder than any word.

I am curious when you stand before the Almighty what you will say when he asks you what you did to help your fellow brothers, neighbors, the Palestinians? What did you do to promote peace and understanding? What did you do to reveal Christ's love to all man kind?

OK thats your story and your sticking to it...hahahah

I will tell God if he asks me that I will say I used common sense and stood with the Israeli Government against the Evil Islamic world and as long as Israel has rule of the land of canaan I no it is better for all mankind until Christ returns than any Islamic rule.

I will praise his name for giving me enough common sense to discern this.