We are all being deceived.

[youdahman]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=peace,+propaganda,+and+the+promised+land&hl=en&sitesearch=#

Christians are being deceived. There is nothing Godly going on in the Jewish State. There is an illegal occupation and millions of people are under a foreign miliatary dictatorship.

The United States supports it, and many "Christian" groups stand by Israel.

Mark 12:31 (Whole Chapter)
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

I'm going to call it like I see it. < Staff Edit > You've become like the Jewish Leaders back in Christ day. You believe in a religion that is not like the ONe Christ preached. HE PREACHED LOVE.

If it is true when Christ said "By thier fruits ye shall know them" Please tell me, what fruits have Israel shown?

You base your beliefs off obscure bible texts and therefore you support israel, by whatever means necessary. Even if it means occupation, murder, opression, and poverty.

Now that i'm a little older, a little wiser, i finally start to see what my homer shaded glasses was covering.

These people in sandals who are hurling rocks aren't terrorists. Thier victims of an illegal occupation who are demonized to think thier evil.

For what? To fullfil prophecy? That isn't Godliness, but satanic.

Watch the video and tell me that we aren't being deceived about Israel, the palestinians, and ultimately, the false doctrine of dispensationalism. The idea that magically, the Jews, as a state, will accept Christ.

Its an insult to God, and an insult to our common sense.

 

[beckysoup61]

So, you are saying Jews are evil....?

What a load of crock.

 

[youdahman]

the fact that you responded two minutes after i made the thread means you didn't even watch the video.

Obviously, you already decided without putting any thought into it on "what side you're on"

It took me heartful prayer, agonization, and persecution to get where I am today.

It is ironic isn't it? The State of Israel is trying to pull the same stunt that Hitler did. But none dare call it evil.

And for the record, if you actually saw the video, its amazing how people will play the "anti-semitism" card, which i no doubt will see in this thread just because i'm speaking about the "ACTS" of the jewish leadership.

Isn't it the same way Martin Luther is a "bigot" because he stated that the Vatican, the catholic heirarchy, was antichrist?

Since when is calling the Jewish leaders, a government, of equal footing as ordinary jewish people?

 

[cCensor]

I have seen more and more of your type of post with out any thing showing where you are from. Now you are putting down the Jews.
Careful Sir: you do not have to defend God and How He feels about His people is between Himself and them.
The Jewish nation should be loved, because Our God loves them.

Censor

 

[youdahman]

And what about the muslim people? Should they be persecuted for the sake of the Jews?

You should be careful to elevate a people who openly rejects Christ and persecute christian missionaries and then condemn the muslims for doing the same.

 

[youdahman]

I have seen more and more of your type of post with out any thing showing where you are from. Now you are putting down the Jews.
Careful Sir: you do not have to defend God and How He feels about His people is between Himself and them.
The Jewish nation should be loved, because Our God loves them.

Censor

So theoretically, by this reasoning, no one should do anything pertaining to scripture because whatever God feels is between Himself and each individual.

Would you tell Jesus to becareful when he was telling the Jewish Nation of their evils and transgressions if you were to have lived during his time? To the extent of calling them a generation of Vipers?

 

[Rick Otto]

Try stating your case without the sensationalism of emotion.

Was there a people group known as Palestinians before Israel reappeared?
Were they the same people there when Israel first arrived?

And as you've pointed out, we shouldn't forget:
Ro 9:6 - Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

[Rick Otto]

Were the Palestinians the people group in that area that Israel displaced 2000yrs ago?

 

[youdahman]

Again I ask, why are there double standards pertaining to Israel? Why do they get a pass? Why are Christians subverting the Word of God when the subject of the Jewish State comes up?

If another foreign military occupied a nation, most people who condemn them. But not Israel!

1 John 2:22 (Whole Chapter)
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The Jewish State is the very definition of antichrist, and they have shown the fruits of antichrist. Oppression, deceit, murder, and persecution.

 

[youdahman]

Were the Palestinians the people group in that area that Israel displaced 2000yrs ago?

Strawman. Thats like me saying we should condemn catholics for something the Church did during the middle ages.

Your post has no relevancy for anything about this thread discussion. Perhaps you should watch the video and tell me how you feel instead.

 

[youdahman]

Here's a question, is the Jewish state antichrist? If yes, why do we support them?

Here is the fundamental concept of this thread. The fact that Christians have come to accept what is antichrist as godliness.

It's quite amazing actually. What God has eschewed as evil is painted in a beautiful light.

Kinda reminds me of Lucifer saying to Eve that if she eats the fruit she shall not surely die.

Now, even though the whole bible speaks volumes of the truth about the Current Jewish State, it falls on deaf ears. The belief that Israel should be protected by secular authorities because of thier past goes against the fundamentals of Christianity and biblical truth.

 

[fwiwwl]

And what about the muslim people? Should they be persecuted for the sake of the Jews?

You should be careful to elevate a people who openly rejects Christ and persecute christian missionaries and then condemn the muslims for doing the same.

[FONT=&quot]In my opinion, we are all evil! To single out the Jew as more evil than the Muslim is evil! To single out the Muslim as being more evil than the Jew is evil! We are all in the same boat and God’s will is for all mankind. I didn’t watch the video. I already know that we all need a savior! we all need love! ...fwiw.....W.L.[/FONT]

 

[Rick Otto]

Strawman. Thats like me saying we should condemn catholics for something the Church did during the middle ages.

Your post has no relevancy for anything about this thread discussion. Perhaps you should watch the video and tell me how you feel instead.

Ok, I will.

 

[Hentenza]

Deuteronomy 7:6-8
6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. 8 But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.



And,



Isaiah 27
1 In that day,
the LORD will punish with his sword,
his fierce, great and powerful sword,
Leviathan the gliding serpent,
Leviathan the coiling serpent;
he will slay the monster of the sea.
2 In that day—
"Sing about a fruitful vineyard:
3 I, the LORD, watch over it;
I water it continually.
I guard it day and night
so that no one may harm it.
4 I am not angry.
If only there were briers and thorns confronting me!
I would march against them in battle;
I would set them all on fire.
5 Or else let them come to me for refuge;
let them make peace with me,
yes, let them make peace with me."
6 In days to come Jacob will take root,
Israel will bud and blossom
and fill all the world with fruit.
7 Has the LORD struck her
as he struck down those who struck her?
Has she been killed
as those were killed who killed her?
8 By warfare and exile you contend with her—
with his fierce blast he drives her out,
as on a day the east wind blows.
9 By this, then, will Jacob's guilt be atoned for,
and this will be the full fruitage of the removal of his sin:
When he makes all the altar stones
to be like chalk stones crushed to pieces,
no Asherah poles or incense altars
will be left standing.
10 The fortified city stands desolate,
an abandoned settlement, forsaken like the desert;
there the calves graze,
there they lie down;
they strip its branches bare.
11 When its twigs are dry, they are broken off
and women come and make fires with them.
For this is a people without understanding;
so their Maker has no compassion on them,
and their Creator shows them no favor.
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered up one by one. 13 And in that day a great trumpet will sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.

 

[youdahman]

Deuteronomy 7:6-8
6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. 8 But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Galatians 3:29 (Whole Chapter)
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



And,

Isaiah 27
1 In that day,
the LORD will punish with his sword,
his fierce, great and powerful sword,
Leviathan the gliding serpent,
Leviathan the coiling serpent;
he will slay the monster of the sea.
2 In that day—
"Sing about a fruitful vineyard:
3 I, the LORD, watch over it;
I water it continually.
I guard it day and night
so that no one may harm it.
4 I am not angry.
If only there were briers and thorns confronting me!
I would march against them in battle;
I would set them all on fire.
5 Or else let them come to me for refuge;
let them make peace with me,
yes, let them make peace with me."
6 In days to come Jacob will take root,
Israel will bud and blossom
and fill all the world with fruit.
7 Has the LORD struck her
as he struck down those who struck her?
Has she been killed
as those were killed who killed her?
8 By warfare and exile you contend with her—
with his fierce blast he drives her out,
as on a day the east wind blows.
9 By this, then, will Jacob's guilt be atoned for,
and this will be the full fruitage of the removal of his sin:
When he makes all the altar stones
to be like chalk stones crushed to pieces,
no Asherah poles or incense altars
will be left standing.
10 The fortified city stands desolate,
an abandoned settlement, forsaken like the desert;
there the calves graze,
there they lie down;
they strip its branches bare.
11 When its twigs are dry, they are broken off
and women come and make fires with them.
For this is a people without understanding;
so their Maker has no compassion on them,
and their Creator shows them no favor.
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered up one by one. 13 And in that day a great trumpet will sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.

Huh?

 

[youdahman]

[FONT=&quot]In my opinion, we are all evil! To single out the Jew as more evil than the Muslim is evil! To single out the Muslim as being more evil than the Jew is evil! We are all in the same boat and God’s will is for all mankind. I didn’t watch the video. I already know that we all need a savior! we all need love! ...fwiw.....W.L.[/FONT]

I absolutely agree.

 

[Rick Otto]

Ok. I watched it. Most of it I already knew, and there's reams of stuff it didn't mention, none of which I take issue with, so I don't feel any different than before I watched it.
To me, it is only a small part of the bigger picture, which isn't any prettier.
Arabs & Persians take advantage of the Palestinians as well.

So what?
What are you going to do about it besides bringing it up in forum conversation?

As for myself, I'm a delegate for Ron Paul. It's the best I can do.
How 'bout you?

Is this thread the best you can do?

 

[youdahman]

Ok. I watched it. Most of it I already knew, and there's reams of stuff it didn't mention, none of which I take issue with, so I don't feel any different than before I watched it.
To me, it is only a small part of the bigger picture, which isn't any prettier.
Arabs & Persians take advantage of the Palestinians as well.

So what?
What are you going to do about it besides bringing it up in forum conversation?

As for myself, I'm a delegate for Ron Paul. It's the best I can do.
How 'bout you?

Is this thread the best you can do?

Being a delegate for Ron Paul means what to me? Considering he has no chance of winning the nomination, why even bring it up? Are you trying to show me up as if your works are greater than mine or something? I mean seriously.

Did you even consider what you posted. YOu said yourself most of the stuff you saw you ALREADY KNEW. Well guess what! A lot of people don't know this. Did you take that into consideration. Because if you did, then maybe you would be able to see the seriousness of this thread.

You really think i brought this up so I can have "forum conversation". You think I brought this up so I can change the political climate or the U.S. foreign policy?

Read my posts again.


edit: not that i'm trying to downplay Ron Paul's candidacy, whom I am a strong supporter of.

Besides, what exactly is wrong with forum conversation? What's wrong with sharing ideas with a community of Christians?

 

[Carey]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=peace,+propaganda,+and+the+promised+land&hl=en&sitesearch=#

Christians are being deceived. There is nothing Godly going on in the Jewish State. There is an illegal occupation and millions of people are under a foreign miliatary dictatorship.

The United States supports it, and many "Christian" groups stand by Israel.

Mark 12:31 (Whole Chapter)
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

I'm going to call it like I see it. < Staff Edit > You've become like the Jewish Leaders back in Christ day. You believe in a religion that is not like the ONe Christ preached. HE PREACHED LOVE.

If it is true when Christ said "By thier fruits ye shall know them" Please tell me, what fruits have Israel shown?

You base your beliefs off obscure bible texts and therefore you support israel, by whatever means necessary. Even if it means occupation, murder, opression, and poverty.

Now that i'm a little older, a little wiser, i finally start to see what my homer shaded glasses was covering.

These people in sandals who are hurling rocks aren't terrorists. Thier victims of an illegal occupation who are demonized to think thier evil.

For what? To fullfil prophecy? That isn't Godliness, but satanic.

Watch the video and tell me that we aren't being deceived about Israel, the palestinians, and ultimately, the false doctrine of dispensationalism. The idea that magically, the Jews, as a state, will accept Christ.

Its an insult to God, and an insult to our common sense.

You have no common sense in your post here. It is all emotion.

The fact is when the Jews did away with Pagansim they were promised their land back.

Their Government policies are not perfect and they certainly are a brrod of vipers. And they will be punished for them when Jesus returns. But the land is theirs and has been since they entered it after they were lead to it.

God Started fulfilling these prophecies in 1948 and is not finished fulfilling them All yet today.

Isaiah 60

Read and learn.

god bless you

 

[youdahman]

You have no common sense in your post here. It is all emotion.

The fact is when the Jews did away with Pagansim they were promised their land back.

Their Government policies are not perfect and they certainly are a brrod of vipers. And they will be punished for them when Jesus returns. But the land is theirs and has been since they entered it after they were lead to it.

God Started fulfilling these prophecies in 1948 and is not finished fulfilling them All yet today.

Isaiah 60

Read and learn.

god bless you

How about we go with neither common sense or emotions and stick with the bible

Galatians 3:29 (Whole Chapter)
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

What promise is he talking about?

Romans 4:16 (Whole Chapter)
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

NOTICE, it was the faith of ABRAHAM, not his blood lineage, that was important to God concerning his promise.

Acts 3:25 (Whole Chapter)
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

again, correlating with Galatians 3:29 about Abraham's seed who includes Spiritual Israel.

HOW? THROUGH THE FAITH OF Abraham, not his blood. That faith points directly to Jesus Christ.

So while you look at the physical and genetic things the truth is we should be looking at what the bible emphasizes, the fruits of the spirit.