We’ve been reading Charles Darwin all wrong

[public hermit]

Do you think that God isn't involved in every particle and force in the universe? Who do you think keeps it working? Are you perhaps a deist, who supposes that God created the world and walked away to let it work on its own?

You beat me to it. That's what I get for being long-winded.

 

[AV1611VET]

* Paging Warden of the Storm *

* Paging Warden of the Storm *

 

[Hans Blaster]

Atheists need a belief system, which effectively serves as a replacement for religion.

What use would I have for a "belief system". Religion was useless, I miss absolutely nothing about religion because it offered me nothing useful.

Their belief system is the theory of evolution.

Evolution is a science, not a belief system or the basis of one. It is certainly not the basis of "atheist belief".

When it comes to understanding what produced the history of life on earth, science and the theory of evolution are useless. Science can't so much as prove that that history is the result of a natural process.

This is entirely wrong about evolution. You can stop trying now as you have reached maximal wrongness on the topic.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do you think that God isn't involved in every particle and force in the universe? Who do you think keeps it working?

I find it odd that anyone believes that God is involved in every particle and interaction. I never even contemplated the possibility, nor did any one in my church imply that he was. The natural world was its own thing.

Are you perhaps a deist, who supposes that God created the world and walked away to let it work on its own?

I was in one of those churches with a theology, a liturgy, and a hierarchy.

 

[BCP1928]

A natural process is devoid of any supernatural influence. For example, you can boil water without God stepping in to help.

Where did you get the water?

 

[Ophiolite]

Really? Literally thousands of scientific papers, articles and books have been written by evolutionary biologists about that very thing ... stories about how they think prehistoric life evolved.

No stories. Detailed accounts, based upon observation and carefully validated, of how one or other aspect of the mechanics of the evolutionary process expresses themselves and what the results of that expression are. Their stories are not an act of creation on their part, but an act of observation and inference and explanation.

Ultimately, and I am surprised no one else has mentioned it, you appear to be falling victim to the Argument from Incredulity fallacy. The interesting thing to me is that you "skillfully" avoid dealing with any proposals that could remove the ignorance that sustains that incredulity. At any rate, it does establish that further discussion with you is pointless. You cannot hear any argument while wearing ear defenders.

 

[NxNW]

Easy to say but impossible to prove.

Why would you expect science to prove anything?

 

[AV1611VET]

No stories. Detailed accounts, based upon observation and carefully validated, of how one or other aspect of the mechanics of the evolutionary process expresses themselves and what the results of that expression are. Their stories are not an act of creation on their part, but an act of observation and inference and explanation.

It's what they don't see that pwns them.

 

[NxNW]

Atheists worship ToE for that very reason - it says life on earth is the result of a natural (Godless) process.

Atheists worship nothing.

 

[NxNW]

Nonsense. You can't to prove that mammals descended from fish via a natural process anymore than I can prove that a supernatural process was responsible.

Science does not claim to prove anything. A theory can never be proved; only disproved.

 

[AV1611VET]

Atheists worship nothing.

Au contraire.

The Bible says otherwise.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

The "creature" in this passage is a reference to God's creation.

Don't look at it as "cree-chur."

Look at it as "cree-ay-chur," and you should understand.

Maybe.

Atheist not only worship creation, they serve it.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes, atheists do need a belief system. Their belief system is that there is no Creator.

So I have a belief system that there is no god named Thor? You sure about that?

 

[The Barbarian]

I find it odd that anyone believes that God is involved in every particle and interaction. I never even contemplated the possibility, nor did any one in my church imply that he was. The natural world was its own thing.

Christians generally accept that creation only exists under God's continuing attention. Deists generally think God created the universe and left it to run on its own.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/deism-vs-theism-beliefs-differences-examples.html

Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

 

[The Barbarian]

Evolution is a science, not a belief system or the basis of one. It is certainly not the basis of "atheist belief"

Today's winner.

 

[Buzzard3]

Atheists worship nothing.

Exactly. Atheists worship nothingness and and meaninglessness ... which is what life amounts to if this life is all there is to existence.

 

[Buzzard3]

Science does not claim to prove anything. A theory can never be proved; only disproved.

Thank you for supporting my argument, that no one can prove that a natural process was responsible for producing the history of life on earth.

 

[Buzzard3]

So I have a belief system that there is no god named Thor? You sure about that?

Sorry, but that one's gone right over my head.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Exactly. Atheists worship nothingness and and meaninglessness ... which is what life amounts to if this life is all there is to existence.

Atheists DON'T WORSHIP.

 

[Buzzard3]

Au contraire.

The Bible says otherwise.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Atheist not only worship creation, they serve it.

Well said, brother.

Additionally, Romans 1 also says, "they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles."

Claiming to be wise about what produced the history of life on earth, atheists who attribute that history to a wholly natural process become fools, who in effect worship nature instead of giving glory to their Creator.

 

[Buzzard3]

No stories. Detailed accounts, based upon observation and carefully validated, of how one or other aspect of the mechanics of the evolutionary process expresses themselves and what the results of that expression are. Their stories are not an act of creation on their part, but an act of observation and inference and explanation.

"carefully validated" ... now that's funny!
Pray tell, how can an explanation of how mammals (allegedly) descended from fish, for example, be "validated"?

Anyone with a vivid imagination can dream up a story about how such a transition might have occurred according to the theory of evolution, but validating its truthfulness is another matter - in fact,validation is impossible.
So any such explanation amounts to nothing more than pseudo-scientific story-telling.

The truth is, a great many so-called scientific explanations of how prehistoric life-forms evolved are heavily laden with hypotheses that can't be tested, which means such explanations don't even qualify as science.