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[Aseyesee]

so many questions in this ...

so one has to first lay out on the table\slab\cross what is ... so yes the way back was open before Christ blood was sprinklered on the mercy seat taking into account Enoch and Elijah ... which we know is a picture of something ... and we also know Christ came in or is the witness of God as in what God did past present future in a day ... His day ... as in all encompassing Jesus was in picture as the pattern son who came to show us the way back by being it so this is when we get to a point of what about the rest of us and by the rest of us i mean everyone for those thinking by calling themselves Christians somehow separates them into something godly apart and special to others ....

so where are those who have died in body\sin prior and after the resurrection of our brother who died in his sin having become sin ... where did he go for three days and where are the rest of the dead now ... not that time has hold over things but are the dead alive\in heaven at this moment or still separate from God by perception ...

so the question is with regard to entering ... is it open or is it closed is kind of an unanswerable question there being no scriptural answer ... or is there a place in-between those who are entering go ( before they fully enter ... like where was Jesus in mind when he rose from his grave and ascended to his\our Father ... and where is he now ...

i don't think heaven is obtainable until all flesh is dead and until then do not see it as something to be gained or something to be lost but rather something revealed in me i have no say in ...

It all comes down to relationship and this within … even as Moses tabernacle (among the great many other things in scripture (and those things without/pasture) teaches this path that is found within every individual … bar none …

 

[David Lamb]

Jhn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

But that isn't saying that nobody can ascend to heaven unless they descended from heaven to start with. Rather, He was saying that nobody except Him had the power to ascend to heaven. Elijah and Enoch had been taken to heaven, but not by their own power. Praise God, when we know the Saviour, we know that He has gone to heaven to prepare a place for us there.

 

[honey badger]

It all comes down to relationship and this within … even as Moses tabernacle (among the great many other things in scripture (and those things without/pasture) teaches this path that is found within every individual … bar none …

Blessed is the man who endures trial, because, having been approved, he will receive the crown of life that He has promised to those loving Him.

 

[honey badger]

It all comes down to relationship and this within … even as Moses tabernacle (among the great many other things in scripture (and those things without/pasture) teaches this path that is found within every individual … bar none …

i believe or rather i know that there is nothing which does not teach me and lead me in ... and all of which relates to identity there being the Truth and its anti ... for example the crown of thorns as apposed to the crown of Life being no different than a crooked path and a straight path and this no different in meaning to reasoning with man or reasoning with God ... and these two not separate or divided but work together ... after all Adam started out naked as in divided\separated by perception from the truth he was, and then went about establishing his own image\identity and in this case that of a serpent\beast ... and why the two Adams

trying to approve oneself is no different than trying to build a stairway to heaven which in picture is trying to come up some other way, as in trying to come to God in your own name .... like trying to get somewhere you are already and why the Truth\our Father is not gained but revealed in us as us ...

i know which tree you speak from, because i can hear/see that you have come out from between them

 

[Aseyesee]

But that isn't saying that nobody can ascend to heaven unless they descended from heaven to start with. Rather, He was saying that nobody except Him had the power to ascend to heaven. Elijah and Enoch had been taken to heaven, but not by their own power. Praise God, when we know the Saviour, we know that He has gone to heaven to prepare a place for us there.

(As a back drop/and things I’m sure you know) The kingdom of God starts out as a single word/seed in us … sown by the son of man (who has always been the son of God (from before the world was) … and that (good) seed which is sown is himself/Word/God …

The born again dialogue Jesus had with Nicodemus was considered by him as earthly things …

That which is born of (comes out of) the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of (comes out of) the Spirit is spirit.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



I see this as (like in Adam/all that came out of him) what the Hebrew writer had said about Levi (being in the loins of Abraham), aa conceptual truth of who you are born of therefore came out of, and even where you are presently, (whether we are aware of this or not), and only found in the moment or that which is in the midst).

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

“In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;” “… which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began”

(3) Jesus knew fully where he came from, where he was going, and where he was presently …

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” (which is not boastful truth/flesh, and tantamount to robbing God if one does let this mind (mind of Christ), which Paul tells the carnal minded believers in Corinth they have, even though this concept was (for/because of the moment) still elusive to them.

The Bible is a book whose complexities have no end but all in the confines of the simplicity or singleness of one word.

 

[Aseyesee]

i believe or rather i know that there is nothing which does not teach me and lead me in ... and all of which relates to identity there being the Truth and its anti ... for example the crown of thorns as apposed to the crown of Life being no different than a crooked path and a straight path and this no different in meaning to reasoning with man or reasoning with God ... and these two not separate or divided but work together ... after all Adam started out naked as in divided\separated by perception from the truth he was, and then went about establishing his own image\identity and in this case that of a serpent\beast ... and why the two Adams

trying to approve oneself is no different than trying to build a stairway to heaven which in picture is trying to come up some other way, as in trying to come to God in your own name .... like trying to get somewhere you are already and why the Truth\our Father is not gained but revealed in us as us ...

i know which tree you speak from, because i can hear/see that you have come out from between them

Oh that we would all embrace the truth of the reality of a ladder without steps ... truly in nothing, there is not found a path back ... and truly who the Son sets free is free indeed ...

 

[honey badger]

Oh that we would all embrace the truth of the reality of a ladder without steps ... truly in nothing, there is not found a path back ... and truly who the Son sets free is free indeed ...

'The Bible is a book whose complexities have no end but all in the confines of the simplicity or singleness of one word.'

and only of measure if you bring measure to it ...

 

[Aseyesee]

'The Bible is a book whose complexities have no end but all in the confines of the simplicity or singleness of one word.'

and only of measure if you bring measure to it ...

and to this end our flesh does serve us.

 

[honey badger]

and to this end our flesh does serve us.

an elder that serves the younger or first the natural and then the spiritual ...