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Was Y-Chromosomal Adam a monkey?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by joinfree, Feb 12, 2019.

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  1. joinfree

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    Darwin and the Bible. If there were no people before the very first person in history, then Darwinism is not right in front of the Church. And if Adam's dad was a monkey, then Adam must be a monkey. And he is the first person. We have come to a contradiction, therefore Darwin is not right.

     
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    Darwin doesn't have to be right, or wrong or anything. Darwins theories don't disprove a creator, you know what I mean?
     
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  3. joinfree

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    But Bible? Where is Adam's monkey-dad in the Bible?
     
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    I'm going to be charitable and assume that the OP is rooted in ignorance of evolution and not a crude and poorly executed attempt to mock it.

    False dichotomy.

    There was no "very first person". No offspring is ever born so different from it's parents that it would be considered a different species. What actually happens is mutations occur in individuals and if they confer an advantage the spread through the population over time. When enough mutations have happened over enough time that the population no longer interbreeds with related populations, speciation has occurred. Think in terms of language. There never was a first Spanish speaker. That is no Latin speaking family one day gave birth to a child that spoke Spanish. What actually happened is over time Latin "mutated" and broke into individual languages of Italian, Spanish and French.

    The biggest problem here is your assumption that Adam existed. There's zero evidence that Adam was a literal first and only human. That said, you are on the cusp of understanding monophyly. Simply put, descendant populations never stop being what their ancestors were. As an example, whales are still terrestrial tetrapods despite no longer living on land or having four legs. Mammals are still amniotes despite no longer laying eggs (at least Therians don't). In that way, despite the changes to the Homo lineage and to sapiens in particular, humans are still simians.

    Bullet point version.
    • Y Adam lived in a population of other humans that evolved from earlier Homo species.
    • He just happened to be the last male from which every other male on earth is descended.
    • No offspring is so different from the population that it would be a different species.
    • You never stop being what your ancestors were so humans are, taxonomically, monkeys.
     
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  5. FatalFantasy

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    Depends on how you understand genesis.
     
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    Everything born is the same species as it's parents.

    Y Chromosome Adam is the most recent male line common ancestor of humanity, not the first human.

    There were many other humans alive at the same time as him.
     
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  7. joinfree

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    Tell me, "god", what does the Adam's monkey-dad said in the Bible?
     
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    Okay, joinfree, I'm leaving this thread.
     
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  10. joinfree

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    Tell me about the very first human. Suppose, his name was also Adam. Was this human a monkey?
     
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    But Darwin's theories do disprove Genesis and if you cant take the Bible as fact you might as say the God of Abraham is not true.
     
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  12. FatalFantasy

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    Okay I'm back! Fact you say? Literal or fact, because you can get truth from non literal sources.
     
  13. USincognito

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    Did you miss my post #4 above?
    Was Y-Chromosomal Adam a monkey?
     
  14. joinfree

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    Welcome, my love. I and Jesus Love You!
     
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    Tell me Do you believe in the Biblical Flood as stated in Genesis?
     
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  16. joinfree

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    I am sorry! Jesus Loves you! But facts are simple:
    1. There are humans on the planet, who are not apes. I am talking about 2019AC. Do you follow?

     
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    Humans are apes. I can explain to you why, but I want to make sure and clear up your abject confusion about Y Adam first. What in post #4 did you not understand that I can explain further for you?
     
  18. FatalFantasy

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    Yeah of course.
     
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    I believe that you're speaking the truth, true love can never be bad.
     
  20. joinfree

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    It is violation of Aristotle Law of Logic, isn't it?
     
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