Was there a global, world-wide Flood?

[Cuddles333]

Because it is recorded in the New Testament that Jesus referred to Noah, therefore he must have been a literal person who built a literal ark? Were the Genesis writers taking an ancient Sumerian story and putting their twist to it and Jesus was not aware of this? Or were the New Testament writers just trying to make the Noah story have more legitimacy? I think it is up to the person reading the Bible. It goes into a lot of detail (of course not every detail) of how this boat was constructed. There were scientific tests conducted on how the ark could not have been able to stop rocking so badly that it would have sank and how the seams would have come apart. Until a documentary revealed that were found some miles from the mountain, a good number of large boat weights that were used by some large boat craft to keep it from rocking, and some iron wedges found at the landing site used in keeping wooden boat seams from separating.

Whether one believes that the Genesis account of the flood occured or not, I do not think has any bearing on their salvation. The story does reveal that even if you are the only one trying to follow God, that He will deliver you and the rest will perish.

 

[2thePoint]

WorldwideFlood.com

 

[berachah]

So at the end of the day, Christians should believe the Biblical account of these actual events....

And if Christians don't have the faith, they should study and unearth the geological evidence that confirms the Bible rather than giving in to unbelief and accepting evolution based theories that can neither be observed, measured nor reproduced.

After all evolutionists show a remarkable resiliance in the face of scientific data that continually contradicts or disproves their ever changing theories. Only they respond "we dont know why yet..."

 

[2thePoint]

So at the end of the day, Christians should believe the Biblical account of these actual events....

And if Christians don't have the faith, they should study and unearth the geological evidence that confirms the Bible rather than giving in to unbelief and accepting evolution based theories that can neither be observed, measured nor reproduced.

After all evolutionists show a remarkable resiliance in the face of scientific data that continually contradicts or disproves their ever changing theories. Only they respond "we dont know why yet..."

Good point! Evolutionists stick to their faith in the theory no matter what science may ever discover, while we seem eager to abandon the foundation of our faith (why there is sin and pain, why we need a savior) as if the ever-changing "facts" of science are somehow more reliable. They show us by example what real faith is.

 

[oi_antz]

I suggest reading the Bible (Genesis 6-9, Matt 24:37-51, 1 Peter 3:18-22) and ignore the presumtuous and ignorant commentaries that suppose it was a local flood or a myth with "specific" meaning. Also google "evidence for Noah's flood" and you will find more than enough geological and scientific proof to satisfy any unbelief you may have.

There is no doubt this flood involved the destruction of all mankind.

Liberal and phony Christian's are the enemies of the Cross and can be spotted a mile off by their unwilllingness to rely on scriptures. They love to use terms such as "the Pope or Rabbi or St Augustus said", "this is a modern day teaching" (as if they know what happened last year , never mind a thousand years ago) "Its a myth", "no one can say for sure", "it doesnt agree with science", etc etc. And when they are unable to distort the truth with such corrupt reasoning, they attempt to creatively interpret the Word or rely on distortive analysis or give it an allegorical meaning or fictional explanation. Anything but being confronted with the truth will do.

Their whole purpose is to shed doubt on the Word of God and deny its power and with their deceiptful characters they do a pretty good job..

My advice is when you meet such "Christians" dont turn your back on them.......RUN FROM THEM!!!

Well said.

 

[benelchi]

Originally Posted by berachah

I suggest reading the Bible (Genesis 6-9, Matt 24:37-51, 1 Peter 3:18-22) and ignore the presumtuous and ignorant commentaries that suppose it was a local flood or a myth with "specific" meaning. Also google "evidence for Noah's flood" and you will find more than enough geological and scientific proof to satisfy any unbelief you may have.

There is no doubt this flood involved the destruction of all mankind.

Liberal and phony Christian's are the enemies of the Cross and can be spotted a mile off by their unwilllingness to rely on scriptures. They love to use terms such as "the Pope or Rabbi or St Augustus said", "this is a modern day teaching" (as if they know what happened last year , never mind a thousand years ago) "Its a myth", "no one can say for sure", "it doesnt agree with science", etc etc. And when they are unable to distort the truth with such corrupt reasoning, they attempt to creatively interpret the Word or rely on distortive analysis or give it an allegorical meaning or fictional explanation. Anything but being confronted with the truth will do.

Their whole purpose is to shed doubt on the Word of God and deny its power and with their deceiptful characters they do a pretty good job..

My advice is when you meet such "Christians" dont turn your back on them.......RUN FROM THEM!!!
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Well said.

About the only thing I can agree with in this post is "There is no doubt this flood involved the destruction of all mankind."

The rest of this post is truly sad because it demonstrates an unwillingness to find out why many very conservative, Evangelical, godly men and women believe the flood was localized, and while they believe it destroyed all of humanity, despite the fact that they do not believe the flood was global. Among those Christians who believe in a localized flood are many of the translators that translated the English bibles most read today.

It is one thing to look at the evidence these godly men present and choose to disagree with them, but it is entirely another to close your eyes and ears and refuse to look at the evidence they present and then demonize them and their faith because they disagree with you.

Note: acceptance of a localized flood does not require one to subscribe to liberal theology or to treat the biblical account of Noah's flood as an allegory.

 

[oi_antz]

About the only thing I can agree with in this post is "There is no doubt this flood involved the destruction of all mankind."

The rest of this post is truly sad because it demonstrates an unwillingness to find out why many very conservative, Evangelical, godly men and women believe the flood was localized, and while they believe it destroyed all of humanity, despite the fact that they do not believe the flood was global. Among those Christians who believe in a localized flood are many of the translators that translated the English bibles most read today.

It is one thing to look at the evidence these godly men present and choose to disagree with them, but it is entirely another to close your eyes and ears and refuse to look at the evidence they present and then demonize them and their faith because they disagree with you.

Note: acceptance of a localized flood does not require one to subscribe to liberal theology or to treat the biblical account of Noah's flood as an allegory.

What makes you believe that Genesis 7:19 describes a localized flood?

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered."

Is this just an attempt to reconcile scientific theory to biblical accounts?

 

[benelchi]

What makes you believe that Genesis 7:19 describes a localized flood?

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered."

Is this just an attempt to reconcile scientific theory to biblical accounts?

No, I am just attempting to understand the text itself. One of the difficulties is that the word ארץ translated as "earth" in the passage you quoted is far more frequently translated "land" than it is "earth". It is translated as "earth" a little over 600 times, but "land" a little over 2000 times. Similar issues exist with the translation of שמים as "heavens" or simply "sky". When we attempt to understand the text, we need to understand how the ancient Hebrew people would have understood it. And when they heard the word "ארץ" they understood its possible meanings much more broadly than we do when we hear the word "earth." Interestingly enough, we also think of the word "earth" in English as another word for "dirt" or "soil" but this was not the way this word is typically used in Hebrew. In Hebrew when one speaks of the ground or soil the word that is used is typically אדמה. We need to understand that this was a text that was written in Hebrew and addressed to the people of Israel 3000 years ago; we need to try, as best as we can, to apply their rules of interpretation to the text rather than ours.


Here is a list of verses where ארץ is translated as "land" in the KJV:

Gen. 2:11ff
Gen. 4:16
Gen. 10:10f
Gen. 11:2, 28, 31
Gen. 12:1, 5ff, 10
Gen. 13:6f, 9f, 12, 15, 17
Gen. 15:7, 13, 18
Gen. 16:3
Gen. 17:8
Gen. 19:28
Gen. 20:15
Gen. 21:21, 23, 32, 34
Gen. 22:2
Gen. 23:2, 7, 12f, 15, 19
Gen. 24:5, 7, 37
Gen. 26:1ff, 12, 22
Gen. 27:46
Gen. 28:4, 13
Gen. 29:1
Gen. 31:3, 13, 18
Gen. 32:4
Gen. 33:18
Gen. 34:1, 10, 21, 30
Gen. 35:6, 12, 22
Gen. 36:5ff, 16f, 20f, 30f, 34, 43
Gen. 37:1
Gen. 40:15
Gen. 41:19, 29ff, 33f, 36, 41, 43ff, 48, 52ff
Gen. 42:5ff, 9, 12f, 29f, 32, 34
Gen. 43:1, 11
Gen. 44:8
Gen. 45:6, 8, 10, 17ff, 25f
Gen. 46:6, 12, 20, 28, 31, 34
Gen. 47:1, 4, 6, 11, 13ff, 20, 27f
Gen. 48:3ff, 7, 21
Gen. 49:15, 30
Gen. 50:5, 7f, 11, 13, 24
Exod. 1:7, 10
Exod. 2:15, 22
Exod. 3:8, 17
Exod. 4:20
Exod. 5:5, 12
Exod. 6:1, 4, 8, 11, 13, 26, 28
Exod. 7:2ff, 19, 21
Exod. 8:1ff, 10, 12f, 18, 20f
Exod. 9:5, 9, 22ff
Exod. 10:12ff, 21f
Exod. 11:3, 5f, 9f
Exod. 12:1, 12f, 17, 19, 25, 29, 33, 41f, 48, 51
Exod. 13:5, 11, 15, 17f
Exod. 14:3
Exod. 16:1, 3, 6, 32, 35
Exod. 18:3, 27
Exod. 19:1
Exod. 20:2
Exod. 22:20
Exod. 23:9f, 26, 29ff, 33
Exod. 29:46
Exod. 32:1, 4, 7f, 11, 13, 23
Exod. 33:1, 3
Exod. 34:12, 15, 24
Lev. 11:45
Lev. 14:34
Lev. 16:22
Lev. 18:3, 25, 27f
Lev. 19:9, 23, 29, 33f, 36
Lev. 20:2, 4, 22, 24
Lev. 22:24, 33
Lev. 23:10, 22, 39, 43
Lev. 25:2, 4ff, 9f, 18f, 23f, 38, 42, 45, 55
Lev. 26:1, 4ff, 13, 20, 32ff, 38, 41ff
Lev. 27:24, 30
Num. 1:1
Num. 3:13
Num. 8:17
Num. 9:1, 14
Num. 10:9, 30
Num. 13:2, 16ff, 25ff, 32
Num. 14:2f, 6ff, 14, 16, 23f, 30f, 34, 36ff
Num. 15:2, 18f, 41
Num. 16:13f
Num. 18:13, 20
Num. 20:12, 23f
Num. 21:4, 22, 24, 26, 31, 34f
Num. 22:5f, 13
Num. 26:4, 19, 53, 55
Num. 27:12
Num. 32:1, 4f, 7ff, 17, 22, 29f, 32f
Num. 33:1, 37f, 40, 51ff
Num. 34:2, 12f, 17f, 29
Num. 35:10, 14, 28, 32ff
Num. 36:2
Deut. 1:5, 7f, 21f, 25, 27, 35f
Deut. 2:5, 9, 12, 19f, 24, 27, 29, 31, 37
Deut. 3:2, 8, 12f, 18, 20, 25, 28
Deut. 4:1, 5, 14, 21f, 25f, 38, 46f
Deut. 5:6, 15, 31, 33
Deut. 6:1, 3, 10, 12, 18, 23
Deut. 7:1
Deut. 8:1, 7ff, 14
Deut. 9:4ff, 23, 28
Deut. 10:7, 11, 19
Deut. 11:3, 8ff, 14, 17, 21, 25, 29ff
Deut. 12:1, 10, 29
Deut. 13:6, 11
Deut. 15:4, 7, 11, 15
Deut. 16:3, 20
Deut. 17:14
Deut. 18:9
Deut. 19:1ff, 8, 10, 14
Deut. 20:1
Deut. 23:8, 21
Deut. 24:4, 14, 22
Deut. 25:19
Deut. 26:1f, 9, 15
Deut. 27:2f
Deut. 28:8, 12, 24, 52, 69
Deut. 29:1, 7, 15, 21ff, 26f
Deut. 30:5, 16
Deut. 31:4, 7, 16, 21, 23
Deut. 32:10, 49, 52
Deut. 33:13, 28
Deut. 34:1f, 4ff, 11
Jos. 1:2, 4, 6, 11, 13ff
Jos. 2:1, 9, 14, 18, 24
Jos. 5:6, 11f
Jos. 7:9
Jos. 8:1
Jos. 9:24
Jos. 10:42
Jos. 11:3, 16, 22f
Jos. 12:1
Jos. 13:1f, 4f, 7, 25
Jos. 14:1, 4f, 7, 9, 15
Jos. 15:19
Jos. 17:5f, 8, 12, 15f
Jos. 18:1, 3f, 6, 8ff
Jos. 19:49
Jos. 21:2, 43
Jos. 22:4, 9ff, 13, 15, 19, 32f
Jos. 23:5, 16
Jos. 24:3, 8, 13, 15, 17f
Jdg. 1:2, 15, 26f, 32f
Jdg. 2:1f, 6, 12
Jdg. 3:11, 30
Jdg. 5:31
Jdg. 6:5, 9f
Jdg. 9:37
Jdg. 10:4, 8
Jdg. 11:3, 5, 12f, 15, 17ff, 21
Jdg. 12:15
Jdg. 18:2, 7, 9f, 17, 30
Jdg. 19:30
Jdg. 20:1
Jdg. 21:12, 21
Ruth 1:1, 7
Ruth 2:11
1 Sam. 6:5
1 Sam. 9:4f, 16
1 Sam. 12:6
1 Sam. 13:3, 7, 17, 19
1 Sam. 14:25, 29
1 Sam. 21:12
1 Sam. 22:5
1 Sam. 23:23, 27
1 Sam. 27:1, 8f
1 Sam. 28:3, 9
1 Sam. 29:11
1 Sam. 30:16
1 Sam. 31:9
2 Sam. 3:12
2 Sam. 5:6
2 Sam. 7:23
2 Sam. 10:2
2 Sam. 15:4
2 Sam. 17:26
2 Sam. 19:10
2 Sam. 21:14
2 Sam. 24:6, 8, 13, 25
1 Ki. 4:10, 19
1 Ki. 5:1
1 Ki. 6:1
1 Ki. 8:9, 21, 36f, 46ff
1 Ki. 9:8f, 11, 13, 18f, 21, 26
1 Ki. 10:6
1 Ki. 11:18
1 Ki. 12:28
1 Ki. 14:24
1 Ki. 15:12, 20
1 Ki. 17:7
1 Ki. 18:5f
1 Ki. 20:7
1 Ki. 22:47
2 Ki. 3:27
2 Ki. 4:38
2 Ki. 5:2, 4
2 Ki. 6:23
2 Ki. 8:1ff, 6
2 Ki. 10:33
2 Ki. 11:3, 14, 18ff
2 Ki. 13:20
2 Ki. 15:5, 19f, 29
2 Ki. 16:15
2 Ki. 17:5, 7, 26f, 36
2 Ki. 18:25, 32f
2 Ki. 19:7, 37
2 Ki. 21:24
2 Ki. 23:24, 30, 33, 35
2 Ki. 24:7, 14f
2 Ki. 25:3, 12, 19, 21f, 24
1 Chr. 1:43, 45
1 Chr. 2:22
1 Chr. 4:40
1 Chr. 5:9, 11, 23, 25
1 Chr. 6:40
1 Chr. 7:21
1 Chr. 10:9
1 Chr. 11:4
1 Chr. 13:2
1 Chr. 16:18
1 Chr. 19:2f
1 Chr. 21:12
1 Chr. 22:2, 18
1 Chr. 28:8
2 Chr. 2:16
2 Chr. 6:5, 27f, 36ff
2 Chr. 7:13f, 21f
2 Chr. 8:6, 8, 17
2 Chr. 9:5, 11f, 26
2 Chr. 13:23
2 Chr. 14:5f
2 Chr. 15:8
2 Chr. 17:2
2 Chr. 19:3, 5
2 Chr. 20:7, 10
2 Chr. 22:12
2 Chr. 23:13, 20f
2 Chr. 26:21
2 Chr. 30:9, 25
2 Chr. 32:4, 21, 31
2 Chr. 33:25
2 Chr. 34:7f
2 Chr. 36:1, 3, 21
Ezr. 4:4
Ezr. 6:21
Ezr. 9:11f
Ezr. 10:2, 11
Neh. 3:36
Neh. 5:14
Neh. 9:8, 10, 15, 22ff, 35f
Neh. 10:31f
Est. 8:17
Est. 10:1
Job 1:1, 10
Job 10:21f
Job 28:13
Job 37:13
Job 42:15
Ps. 10:16
Ps. 27:13
Ps. 35:20
Ps. 37:3, 29, 34
Ps. 42:7
Ps. 44:4
Ps. 52:7
Ps. 63:2
Ps. 74:8
Ps. 78:12
Ps. 80:10
Ps. 81:6, 11
Ps. 85:2, 10, 13
Ps. 88:13
Ps. 101:6, 8
Ps. 105:11, 16, 23, 27, 30, 32, 35f
Ps. 106:22, 24, 38
Ps. 107:34
Ps. 116:9
Ps. 135:12
Ps. 136:21
Ps. 142:6
Ps. 143:6, 10
Prov. 2:21
Prov. 28:2
Prov. 29:4
Prov. 31:23
Eccl. 10:16f
Cant. 2:12
Isa. 1:7, 19
Isa. 2:7f
Isa. 5:30
Isa. 6:12
Isa. 7:18, 22, 24
Isa. 8:8, 23
Isa. 9:1, 18
Isa. 10:23
Isa. 11:16
Isa. 13:5, 9, 14
Isa. 14:20f, 25
Isa. 16:1, 4
Isa. 18:1f, 7
Isa. 19:18ff, 24
Isa. 21:1, 14
Isa. 23:1, 10, 13
Isa. 24:3, 11, 13
Isa. 26:1, 10
Isa. 27:13
Isa. 30:6
Isa. 32:2
Isa. 33:17
Isa. 34:6f, 9
Isa. 36:10, 17f, 20
Isa. 37:7, 38
Isa. 38:11
Isa. 41:18
Isa. 49:12, 19
Isa. 53:8
Isa. 57:13
Isa. 60:18, 21
Isa. 61:7
Isa. 62:4
Jer. 1:1, 14, 18
Jer. 2:2, 6f, 15, 31
Jer. 3:1f, 9, 16, 18f
Jer. 4:5, 7, 20, 27
Jer. 5:19, 30
Jer. 6:8, 12
Jer. 7:7, 22, 25, 34
Jer. 8:16
Jer. 9:11, 18
Jer. 10:17f
Jer. 11:4f, 7, 19
Jer. 12:4f, 11f, 15
Jer. 13:13
Jer. 14:8, 15, 18
Jer. 15:7, 14
Jer. 16:3, 6, 13ff, 18
Jer. 17:4, 6, 26
Jer. 18:16
Jer. 22:12, 27f
Jer. 23:7f, 10, 15
Jer. 24:5f, 8
Jer. 25:9, 11ff, 20, 38
Jer. 26:17, 20
Jer. 27:7
Jer. 30:3, 10
Jer. 31:16, 23, 32
Jer. 32:15, 20ff, 41, 43f
Jer. 33:11, 13, 15
Jer. 34:13, 19
Jer. 35:11
Jer. 36:29
Jer. 37:1f, 7, 12, 19
Jer. 39:5, 10
Jer. 40:4, 6f, 9, 12
Jer. 41:2, 18
Jer. 42:10, 13f, 16
Jer. 43:4f, 7, 11ff
Jer. 44:1, 8f, 12ff, 21f, 24, 26ff
Jer. 45:4
Jer. 46:12f, 16, 27
Jer. 47:2
Jer. 48:24, 33
Jer. 50:1, 3, 8, 16, 18, 21f, 25, 28, 34, 38, 45
Jer. 51:2, 4f, 27ff, 43, 46f, 52, 54
Jer. 52:6, 9, 16, 25, 27
Lam. 4:21
Ezek. 1:3
Ezek. 6:14
Ezek. 7:2, 7, 23, 27
Ezek. 8:17
Ezek. 9:9
Ezek. 11:15, 17
Ezek. 12:13, 19f
Ezek. 14:13, 15ff, 19
Ezek. 15:8
Ezek. 16:3, 29
Ezek. 17:4f, 13
Ezek. 19:4, 7
Ezek. 20:5f, 8ff, 15, 28, 36, 38, 40, 42
Ezek. 21:24, 35, 37
Ezek. 22:24, 29f
Ezek. 23:15, 19, 27, 48
Ezek. 26:20
Ezek. 27:17, 29
Ezek. 29:9f, 12, 14, 19f
Ezek. 30:5, 11ff, 25
Ezek. 31:12
Ezek. 32:4, 6, 8, 15, 23ff, 32
Ezek. 33:2f, 24ff, 28f
Ezek. 34:13, 25, 27ff
Ezek. 36:5, 18, 20, 24, 28, 34f
Ezek. 37:22, 25
Ezek. 38:2, 8f, 11f, 16
Ezek. 39:12ff
Ezek. 40:2
Ezek. 45:1, 4, 8, 16, 22
Ezek. 46:3, 9
Ezek. 47:13ff, 18, 21
Ezek. 48:12, 14, 29
Dan. 1:2
Dan. 9:6, 15
Dan. 11:16, 19, 28, 41f
Hos. 1:2
Hos. 2:2, 5, 17
Hos. 4:1, 3
Hos. 7:16
Hos. 9:3
Hos. 10:1
Hos. 11:5, 11
Hos. 12:10
Hos. 13:4f
Joel 1:2, 6, 14
Joel 2:1, 3, 18, 20
Joel 4:2, 19
Amos 2:10
Amos 3:1, 9, 11
Amos 7:2, 10, 12
Amos 8:4, 8, 11
Amos 9:5, 7
Mic. 5:4f, 10
Mic. 6:4
Mic. 7:13, 15
Nah. 3:13
Hab. 1:6
Hab. 2:8, 17
Hab. 3:7, 12
Zeph. 1:18
Zeph. 2:5
Zeph. 3:19
Hag. 1:11
Hag. 2:4, 6
Zech. 2:4, 10
Zech. 3:9
Zech. 5:11
Zech. 7:5, 14
Zech. 9:1
Zech. 10:10
Zech. 11:6, 16
Zech. 12:12
Zech. 13:2, 8
Zech. 14:10
Mal. 3:12

 

[oi_antz]

No, I am just attempting to understand the text itself. One of the difficulties is that the word ארץ translated as "earth" in the passage you quoted is far more frequently translated "land" than it is "earth". It is translated as "earth" a little over 600 times, but "land" a little over 2000 times. Similar issues exist with the translation of שמים as "heavens" or simply "sky". When we attempt to understand the text, we need to understand how the ancient Hebrew people would have understood it. And when they heard the word "ארץ" they understood its possible meanings much more broadly than we do when we hear the word "earth." Interestingly enough, we also think of the word "earth" in English as another word for "dirt" or "soil" but this was not the way this word is typically used in Hebrew. In Hebrew when one speaks of the ground or soil the word that is used is typically אדמה. We need to understand that this was a text that was written in Hebrew and addressed to the people of Israel 3000 years ago; we need to try, as best as we can, to apply their rules of interpretation to the text rather than ours.


Here is a list of verses where ארץ is translated as "land" in the KJV:

Gen. 2:11ff
[.. long list of quotes ..]
Mal. 3:12

Ok, I get it, you're stuck on one word. Happens sometimes, often to the most observant of us. The issue I am stuck on, is the water covering all the mountains.

I am reading the Hebrew interlinear translation, this is what it says:

and the water they mastery exceedingly exceedingly on the earth and they are being covered all of the mountains the lofty ones which under all of the heavens

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen7.pdf (20110814)

I think even if the word did mean "dirt" rather than "earth", still the words "water covered [the] mountains ... under all of the heavens" is pretty plain. Do you think there is any other way to read these words?

 

[berachah]

Ehhhhh...have you not witnessed the evolution of man (biological) since Biblical times? How much more do we know now than we did 5,000 years ago? 1,000 years ago? 100 years ago?
Evolution (as a theory/concept) is as real as it gets.

Is Knowledge and information now also related to the theory of evolution? So I go to the library and read a book and have evolved....? Is a computer engineer more evolved than a plumber?

What I do know there is currently more suffering, more evil, more cruelty, more ways to kill each other than in any time in the past and I would hardly call that evolving to a higher level.

Apparently we still only use 15% of our brain, so either we have regressed / lost something along the way or evolution is a big lie. (why would brain capacity develop beyond the demands placed upon it??)

And last I heard, with all the 'evolvement' of modern man, we still cannot cut blocks of stone with the same precision and accuracy of the ancient Egyptians....

 

[berachah]

About the only thing I can agree with in this post is "There is no doubt this flood involved the destruction of all mankind."

The rest of this post is truly sad because it demonstrates an unwillingness to find out why many very conservative, Evangelical, godly men and women believe the flood was localized, and while they believe it destroyed all of humanity, despite the fact that they do not believe the flood was global. Among those Christians who believe in a localized flood are many of the translators that translated the English bibles most read today.

I know of many godly, righteous, evangelical conservatives from cults and even other faiths, so I dont agree that these could be considered as benchmarks for sound Biblical doctrine or interpretation. And as there has yet to be a truly meaningful revival in this modern era of new translations of the Bible, I would say the jury is still out on their contribution to the Kingdom.

It is one thing to look at the evidence these godly men present and choose to disagree with them, but it is entirely another to close your eyes and ears and refuse to look at the evidence they present and then demonize them and their faith because they disagree with you.

On the contrary I have looked at every possible theory in this regard and believe that not only is the Bible is quite clear as to what happened, but there is geological evidence to support as well as many ancient cultures from Eskimos, South American Indians, Chinese and others who tell of this event. I'm sure they would know if it was meant to be local or if it included their current habitat.

This discussion reminds me of one of my lecturers (a world renown authority on the Apostle Paul). At one stage and through much study, he came to believe that not all of Paul's letters were inspired by God. He soon found the scriptures in question offered him no value in his walk as a Christian and indeed caused him to be contrary in many ways. It was only after he repented of this transgression that God restored him and gave him greater understanding of these scriptures.

The point I am making is every belief we have of the scriptures has a root and a consequence; either it is faith which grows us or it is 'knowledge' / fear which erodes our faith and blinds us. Just because mankind's limited knowledge of science and geology currently does not agree with the Bible; this does not make it necessary to reinterpret the Bible, produce more agreeable versions of the Bible or discard the meaning of the Bible.

 

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In these cases, we would ask Christians to refrain from debating the matter here. You may point out that there is a differing viewpoint, but please do not use this forum to debate with other Christians. If Christians wish to discuss various doctrines with other Christians, they should do so in the Theology forums.


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