@Spiritual Jew @TimtoflyYes, I believe it is. Just look at the things that will occur at the 7th trumpet as recorded in Revelation 11:15-18. Seems quite climactic to me.
I have a saying: Jumping to conclusions, can lead to contusions.So, your understanding of "to make an end of sins" is that it will occur "at the commencement of the Millennium". Or after the short time which follows that. Which would mean that you must believe that the 70th week will occur around that time since it says that there would be 70 weeks given to finish the transgression, make an end of sins, and so on and you believe those things are not yet fulfilled.
Is that what you believe then, that the 70th week occurs at the end of the Millennium?
Spread across the second half.Why would you have God destroying those that are destroying the earth, at the beginning of the GT rather than at the end of it?
Yet it is ridiculous to claim sin extends into the Millennium, after the 7th Trumpet.Yes, I believe it is. Just look at the things that will occur at the 7th trumpet as recorded in Revelation 11:15-18. Seems quite climactic to me.
Daniel 9:27:@Spiritual Jew @Timtofly
In the "days of" the voice of the 7th angel.
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11:15-18 is the second half of the 7 years.
Tim, I don't think the 7th trumpet blast itself is spread across the the second half of the 7years. The 7th angels' trumpet sounding is a musical alert accompanied by the voice of the 7th angel saying (paraphased)) "Attention! The days of God's plan to at last take the kingdoms of he world out from under Satan's influence have arrived!" The reaction in heaven will be rejoicing over God taking up his His great power to end what has been a 6000 year ordeal in both heaven and upon the earth.Daniel 9:27 can only be a week of days that gets split by the Desolation of Satan's 42 months. The 7th Trumpet has to keep sounding until all is accomplished, even Satan's 42 months, and the battle of Armageddon.
In the army, back in WWII days, the bugler would blow on his bugle in the morning the reveilee, to wake the troops, to call them to duty, and to start the day. It did not sound the entire day.Are the days of the sound coming from the 7th Trumpet 7 days, or 7 years? If you claim the Trumpet sounds continuously from the Arrival of Jesus Christ and last for 7 years, what are the other Trumpets? Is there 3.5 years after Satan's 42 months, and the 7th Trumpet sounds for 10.5 years? Does the 7th Trumpet stop mid week during the desolation, and then start back for another 3.5 years?
Spread across the second half.
It begins with the war in the second heaven which Satan and his angels are cast down to earth, shortly after the two witnesses are killed, come back to life, and ascend to heaven.That asks more questions than it provides answers for.
Can you provide a few quick examples what that might look like? I for one tend to take the last 7 vials of wrath beginning at the 7th trumpet.
So the only time Satan is allowed full access, 42 months, is the same time God is working to dismantle Satan?So, over the second half of the 7 years, God starts dismantling Satan and his angels kingdom of Babylon the Great to never rise again.
Precedence for God's angels does not come from WWII. How about Joshua 6:3-5Tim, I don't think the 7th trumpet blast itself is spread across the the second half of the 7years. The 7th angels' trumpet sounding is a musical alert accompanied by the voice of the 7th angel saying (paraphased)) "Attention! The days of God's plan to at last take the kingdoms of he world out from under Satan's influence have arrived!" The reaction in heaven will be rejoicing over God taking up his His great power to end what has been a 6000 year ordeal in both heaven and upon the earth.
So, over the second half of the 7 years, God starts dismantling Satan and his angels kingdom of Babylon the Great to never rise again.
In the army, back in WWII days, the bugler would blow on his bugle in the morning the reveilee, to wake the troops, to call them to duty, and to start the day. It did not sound the entire day.
In similitude, the seventh angel is going to blow his trumpet in heaven for maybe 15-30 seconds, and verbally announce the days of God's judgment plan to close out the age are now begun.
How can the 6th Seal be relevant to events that happen 7 Trumpets and 7 Thunders later?That is when God apparently begins destroying those which are destroying the earth. The trib of those days are meaning the 42 month reign of the beast, and that nothing I have underlined happens during the trib of those days, but happens immediately after it.
Tim, it is in the days of the voice of the 7th angel. Do you expect him to be speaking uninterrupted for half of the 7 years straight?Precedence for God's angels does not come from WWII. How about Joshua 6:3-5
3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.
Now of course humans would not be able to constantly sound Trumpets for 7 days. At the Second Coming we are not talking about humans, but angels. The 7th Trumpet is surely not any less time than the week it took to settle Jericho. The week of the Cross started with a Triumphant entry and was almost 8 days in length. Started on a Sunday and ended on a Sunday. We already have precedent of two weeks in history that changed the world. Why would you relegate the 7th Trumpet to 7 seconds? It is an angel. Angels designed to shine as stars for 8 thousand years. This 7th Angel is up for a task to sound the most Triumphant Daniel 9 fulfillment in history. Even when this week of days in Daniel 9:27 is split by the future desolation of abomination for 42 months. The 7th Trumpet is the week in Daniel 9:27. The 7th Trumpet is the last week of the 490 years. If there is 42 months that split this week, then Armageddon is the last hour of the 490 years. If no 42 months, then the last hour is the wine press of Revelation 14. The last hour of the 7th Trumpet is still the wrath of God. Then the Millennium starts, with Daniel's 6 items in full force.
That we enjoy in part any of those 6 items now, is because of the Grace of God. Nineveh was healed in a day, even if it only lasted for 1 hour.
Are you saying no sound from the Trumpet, but an angel shouts? That is why so many get Paul confused with John's 7 Trumpets. The voice of the archangel is heard with a shout and proclamation of the arrival at the 6th Seal. The 7th Trumpet is first and foremost. There are 6 other angels also with Trumpets of less importance. After the silence of the 7th Seal opened, the other 6 Trumpets are going to start to sound. It will be weeks, months, perhaps a year leading up to the 7th and final Trumpet. This is the time of unprecedented trouble and the Lamb will be separating the sheep and the goats. The wheat and tares also along with the 7 Thunders.Tim, it is in the days of the voice of the 7th angel. Do you expect him to be speaking uninterrupted for half of the 7 years straight?
Also, it says when he begins to sound. That is an indication of him blowing his trumpet.
What it is indicating is that the 7th angel will blow his trumpet for 15-30 seconds , or less, and then announce with his voice the time has come for God to judge the earth and put an end to Satan's and his angels' rule.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
There is no shouting.Are you saying no sound from the Trumpet, but an angel shouts?
None of the events of the seals have begun yet. The seal events are a different issue than the 7 angels having the trumpets.That is why so many get Paul confused with John's 7 Trumpets. The voice of the archangel is heard with a shout and proclamation of the arrival at the 6th Seal. The 7th Trumpet is first and foremost. There are 6 other angels also with Trumpets of less importance. After the silence of the 7th Seal opened, the other 6 Trumpets are going to start to sound. It will be weeks, months, perhaps a year leading up to the 7th and final Trumpet. This is the time of unprecedented trouble and the Lamb will be separating the sheep and the goats. The wheat and tares also along with the 7 Thunders.
Their intention is to destroy "the camp of the saints". Having such an intention in one's heart is sin. Those people hate the saints (followers of Christ). Jesus equated hate to murder (1 John 3:15), so they are clearly sinning by hating "the camp of the saints" and having the intention to destroy them.Yet it is ridiculous to claim sin extends into the Millennium, after the 7th Trumpet.
At what point does a march against the camp of the saints turn into a sin, if sin does not exist?
Was their march a sin 5 seconds before Satan was released from the pit?
You should be able to respond to challenges to your view. If you can't back up your beliefs, then why should anyone take your views seriously?I have a saying: Jumping to conclusions, can lead to contusions.
Be it known that I do not post here to argue with the likes of you, who are set in their beliefs, but to those who genuinely want to know the truths of the Prophetic Word.
The 70th 'week', will start 7 years before Jesus Returns. The first half will be peaceful, as the peace treaty holds. Daniel 9:27
The second half will be the Great Tribulation and those faithful to God will be kept safe; on earth. Revelation 12:14
There will be no sin during the Millennium, only at the end; in the final test for mankind, will people again have the choice; God or Satan.
Revelation 11:15There is no shouting.
What it is indicating is that the 7th angel will blow his trumpet for 15-30 seconds , or less, and then announces with his voice the time has come for God to judge the earth and put an end to Satan's and his angels' rule.
None of the events of the seals have begun yet. The seal events are a different issue than the 7 angels having the trumpets.
There is no angel recorded in the 6th seal event in Revelation 6:12-17.
Does not mean they had that in their hearts, 5 seconds before Satan was released from the pit.Their intention is to destroy "the camp of the saints". Having such an intention in one's heart is sin. Those people hate the saints (followers of Christ). Jesus equated hate to murder (1 John 3:15), so they are clearly sinning by hating "the camp of the saints" and having the intention to destroy them.
I don't know what you're talking about. It would obviously be a sin for them to intend to destroy "the camp of the saints". This isn't even worth debating.Does not mean they had that in their hearts, 5 seconds before Satan was released from the pit.
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