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Was polygamy a sin?

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A man could have more than one wife in the OT, Deuteronomy 21:

15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,
Deuteronomy 25:

5 If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.
The brother of the dead man could already have a wife of his own and take on one more wife.

2 Samuel 12:

8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
God permitted David to have multiple wives and gave him wives.

What about in the NT?

English Standard Version 1 Timothy 3:

2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach.
1 Corinthians 7:

2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
Polygamy was permitted in the OT but discouraged in the New. Matthew 19:

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
 

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A man could have more than one wife in the OT, Deuteronomy 21:


Deuteronomy 25:


The brother of the dead man could already have a wife of his own and take on one more wife.
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2 Samuel 12:


God permitted David to have multiple wives and gave him wives.

What about in the NT?

English Standard Version 1 Timothy 3:


1 Corinthians 7:


Polygamy was permitted in the OT but discouraged in the New. Matthew 19:
Attempt at humorous Exegesis.

I believe that Solomon was a wise man, as scripture says... but honestly... having more than one wife or a woman having more than one husband seems like a really bad gamble.

It's no secret that Bad comes with Good in any Bundle of Love and Joy that we find in Marital Bliss. It's no wonder that Solomon wrote this verse!

Proverbs 25:24 It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, Than with a contentious woman in a wide house.​


Oh, you think,, Solomon? I mean... out of however many umpteen Wives and Concubines that you married, you didn't foresee with wisdom that at least half of them at any given time would be giving you the "Dagger Eye"?!? Oh, sure they "looked" good when you just had to make them yours...

But... Solomon, as you dwelled on the very Corner of your Castles Roof, hoping that you wouldn't be found... did you acknowledge possible regrets?

Ecclesiastes 1:1 The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”

Uh, huh... I suspected so, good Sir!
 
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Attempt at humorous Exegesis.

I believe that Solomon was a wise man, as scripture says... but honestly... having more than one wife or a woman having more than one husband seems like a really bad gamble.

It's no secret that Bad comes with Good in any Bundle of Love and Joy that we find in Marital Bliss. It's no wonder that Solomon wrote this verse!

Proverbs 25:24 It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, Than with a contentious woman in a wide house.​


Oh, you think,, Solomon? I mean... out of however many umpteen Wives and Concubines that you married, you didn't foresee with wisdom that at least half of them at any given time would be giving you the "Dagger Eye"?!? Oh, sure they "looked" good when you just had to make them yours...

But... Solomon, as you dwelled on the very Corner of your Castles Roof, hoping that you wouldn't be found... did you acknowledge possible regrets?

Ecclesiastes 1:1 The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”

Uh, huh... I suspected so, good Sir!
Polygamy was lawful and regulated by law. Divorce (which we prefer) is what God hates.
This affinity to So called monogamy (one wife at a time) results in abandoning one family for another, Is so preferable we assume Abraham and Sarah sinned in giving Hagar to Abraham.
Divorce was allowed by Moses because of their hard hearts. IN THE BEGINING IT WAS NOT SO...
 
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Polygamy was lawful and regulated by law. Divorce (which we prefer) is what God hates.
This affinity to So called monogamy (one wife at a time) results in abandoning one family for another, Is so preferable we assume Abraham and Sarah sinned in giving Hagar to Abraham.
Divorce was allowed by Moses because of their hard hearts, IN THE BEGINING IT WAS NOT SO...
My above post was simply an attempt at humorous exegesis.

However, I will say this. Divorce is a painful thing. Abuse from a person that someone is married to is FAR WORSE. Jesus was talking to ISRAEL in a spiritual sense, when He spoke of "Divorce". Now, you have every right to say that I'm nuts for saying that, but remember, Jesus talked to Israel as His cherished bride. I have to tread lightly, but.. not by His choice.... well... that's a bible study you can do or not do.

Now, do I believe that Israel is forgotten? Nope. But, that's also a bible study you can do or not do.

Divorce stinks, for sure, but God knows the hearts of mankind, while mankind tends to look at the FLESH.

That's my personal opinion on the matter.
 
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My above post was simply an attempt at humorous exegesis.
Ok. I was just giving my view.
However, I will say this. Divorce is a painful thing. Abuse from a person that someone is married to is FAR WORSE.
It is far more common people get divorced for another relationship.
Jesus was talking to ISRAEL in a spiritual sense, when He spoke of "Divorce".
No, He was speaking of Adam and EVE, male and female.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Now, you have every right to say that I'm nuts for saying that, but remember, Jesus talked to Israel as His cherished bride. I have to tread lightly, but.. not by His choice.... well... that's a bible study you can do or not do.
LOL, I know the feeling about "say Im nuts". I think most reading our exchange would far prefer your position to mine.
Now, do I believe that Israel is forgotten? Nope. But, that's also a bible study you can do or not do.

Divorce stinks, for sure, but God knows the hearts of mankind, while mankind tends to look at the FLESH.

That's my personal opinion on the matter.
God's law, neither To Abraham, nor Moses condemned polygamy. And Levirate marriage often commanded it.

Not only do men today have many wives, they just have them one at a time. Women the same, Many Husbands just not at the same time. Each one, often another family comes from them. Not good.
 
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Ok. I was just giving my view.
Which I am glad that you gave, because look at us, we are having a wonderful discussion on scripture.
It is far more common people get divorced for another relationship.
By Jesus' own words, except for the cause of one being unfaithful.... but, I assure you, Jesus didn't come across the Sea of Infinity that separates Heaven from our Created Universe to teach about human precepts of marriage. Look at the context... and who he is speaking to. You could say that Jesus' "First Wife" had a tendency to be quite the Harlot. I can't use the other word, because it would be censored. Now, I could... I digress. What I'm saying is, By the very standards of all of us... we are all an individual BODY of Christ (WIFE), or Brick that builds on the Cornerstone that the BUILDERS rejected (The BRIDEGROOM), to make up the TRUE KINGDOM, (Jesus is our Head ... HUSBAND and we are his BODY (WIFE) that is founded upon GOD's TRUE Tabernacle (Jesus). :)

That said, no finger pointing allowed, because Israel was a type for ALL humanity. In relation to God and his Love, we are all a bunch of RAHABS.
No, He was speaking of Adam and EVE, male and female.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
It was going so well until you had to use the word "n-o". :p

I will give you the first round of verses that show I'm not talking out of my toe. I assure you, I can back this up with All scripture in Pain Staking Exegetical fashion that is Iron Clad.

Matthew 19:3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
Look at the Context of what is about to come... The TORAH experts are trying to entrap Jesus, who is the Literal Face of His Father, before them and the TRUE Expert of Torah... yet here we are, with the Pharisees trying to ENTRAP GOD. We will just politely say that they were a bit ignorant.​
Matthew 19:7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

See, the Pharisees are too "ignorant" to realize that they are talking to this "guy".​
Deuteronomy 18:17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. <- And look... Right there, smack dab within Deuteronomy.

You could even say that Jesus was the "BRIDE GROOM"
Mark 2:19 And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Matthew 25:1 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.



LOL, I know the feeling about "say Im nuts". I think most reading our exchange would far prefer your position to mine.
I disagree. Even the world judges people who get a divorce. Divorce occurs in and out of the church and people love to point fingers. I do think marriage is sacred... but I also believe that people should be taught to shop around before they put a ring on someone's finger. It's a balance of wisdom and undying commitment... until death.
God's law, neither To Abraham, nor Moses condemned polygamy. And Levirate marriage often commanded it.
Why should it? God has MANY INDIVIDUAL BRIDES, that make up ONE collective BRIDE that "He, the SON, left his Father to become joined to". John 5:39
Not only do men today have many wives, they just have them one at a time. Women the same, Many Husbands just not at the same time. Each one, often another family comes from them. Not good.
Good old serial monogamy! Well, lets get to the matter of honesty. As soon as a man and woman become carnal 1 flesh, that's marriage in the eyes of God. All of the Government hoopla has NO-Thing to do with the kingdom of God. Government and Brick and Mortar Marriage is to protect the monetary and property rights of people that live together... IE, Common Law Marriage is a thing of the Government, also.

God has been cheated on quite a few times by ALL of us. That's how God speaks throughout all scripture. This is my overarching point of discussion, while I well respect your points.
 
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Which I am glad that you gave, because look at us, we are having a wonderful discussion on scripture.

By Jesus' own words, except for the cause of one being unfaithful.... but, I assure you, Jesus didn't come across the Sea of Infinity that separates Heaven from our Created Universe to teach about human precepts of marriage. Look at the context... and who he is speaking to. You could say that Jesus' "First Wife" had a tendency to be quite the Harlot. I can't use the other word, because it would be censored. Now, I could... I digress. What I'm saying is, By the very standards of all of us... we are all an individual BODY of Christ (WIFE), or Brick that builds on the Cornerstone that the BUILDERS rejected (The BRIDEGROOM), to make up the TRUE KINGDOM, (Jesus is our Head ... HUSBAND and we are his BODY (WIFE) that is founded upon GOD's TRUE Tabernacle (Jesus). :)

That said, no finger pointing allowed, because Israel was a type for ALL humanity. In relation to God and his Love, we are all a bunch of RAHABS.

It was going so well until you had to use the word "n-o". :p

I will give you the first round of verses that show I'm not talking out of my toe. I assure you, I can back this up with All scripture in Pain Staking Exegetical fashion that is Iron Clad.

Matthew 19:3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
Look at the Context of what is about to come... The TORAH experts are trying to entrap Jesus, who is the Literal Face of His Father, before them and the TRUE Expert of Torah... yet here we are, with the Pharisees trying to ENTRAP GOD. We will just politely say that they were a bit ignorant.​
Matthew 19:7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

See, the Pharisees are too "ignorant" to realize that they are talking to this "guy".​
Deuteronomy 18:17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. <- And look... Right there, smack dab within Deuteronomy.

You could even say that Jesus was the "BRIDE GROOM"
Mark 2:19 And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Matthew 25:1 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.




I disagree. Even the world judges people who get a divorce. Divorce occurs in and out of the church and people love to point fingers. I do think marriage is sacred... but I also believe that people should be taught to shop around before they put a ring on someone's finger. It's a balance of wisdom and undying commitment... until death.

Why should it? God has MANY INDIVIDUAL BRIDES, that make up ONE collective BRIDE that "He, the SON, left his Father to become joined to". John 5:39

Good old serial monogamy! Well, lets get to the matter of honesty. As soon as a man and woman become carnal 1 flesh, that's marriage in the eyes of God. All of the Government hoopla has NO-Thing to do with the kingdom of God. Government and Brick and Mortar Marriage is to protect the monetary and property rights of people that live together... IE, Common Law Marriage is a thing of the Government, also.

God has been cheated on quite a few times by ALL of us. That's how God speaks throughout all scripture. This is my overarching point of discussion, while I well respect your points.
Well the governments concern was/is the responsibility to the Children produced as a result of the relationship
Back to Israel and polygamy, I disagree with you. :p
 
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Well the governments concern was/is the responsibility to the Children produced as a result of the relationship
Back to Israel and polygamy, I disagree with you. :p
I do believe that we are joyfully agreeing to disagree!

Sibling in Jesus, it is always an honor to be bound as siblings in Jesus by the very Love within our hearts that constrains us, even in difference of scriptural opinions.
 
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I do believe that we are joyfully agreeing to disagree!

Sibling in Jesus, it is always an honor to be bound as siblings in Jesus by the very Love within our hearts that constrains us, even in difference of scriptural opinions.
Have you ever heard of or seen the movie "Loving Leah"? It is really a cute movie about a modern day Levirate marriage. The brother of a secular Jewish doctor dies suddenly. The doctor is living away from the orthodox community, his brother an Orthodox Rabbi dies with a widow, named Leah. They both "fake" a Levirate marriage , each for their own reasons. It is just a good movie. If you have a chance to see it I recommend watching it.
 
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Have you ever heard of or seen the movie "Loving Leah"? It is really a cute movie about a modern day Levirate marriage. The brother of a secular Jewish doctor dies suddenly. The doctor is living away from the orthodox community, his brother an Orthodox Rabbi dies with a widow, named Leah. They both "fake" a Levirate marriage , each for their own reasons. It is just a good movie. If you have a chance to see it I recommend watching it.
I will watch it within the next 4 days and report back! Thank you!
 
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I will watch it within the next 4 days and report back! Thank you!
Oh so good. I am curious what you think. I have tried to look it up on various livestream to watch it again but I cannot seem to find it. I personally enjoyed it that much.
 
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Oh so good. I am curious what you think. I have tried to look it up on various livestream to watch it again but I cannot seem to find it. I personally enjoyed it that much.
It’s a Hallmark CBS Production. I’ll do some digging.

@ralliann Okay…. Pluto TV free with commercials has it.
 
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It’s a Hallmark CBS Production. I’ll do some digging.
Thank you :). It was years ago now since I watched it. Of course being of the female type I would like a Hallmark movie. LOL
 
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Thank you :). It was years ago now since I watched it. Of course being of the female type I would like a Hallmark movie. LOL
My wife and I frequently like to watch Romances together… ahem… lol… because I’m a sappy sucker! My two favorites are “You’ve got Mail” and a second movie that is super stupid, crude, funny and yet Romantic.
 
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My wife and I frequently like to watch Romances together… ahem… lol… because I’m a sappy sucker! My two favorites are “You’ve got Mail” and a second movie that is super stupid, crude, funny and yet Romantic.
Oh good your wife can also watch. She will like it. My husband and me would watch some of thos movies and joke about when the fight would happen (always some sort of misunderstanding) Then we would say, do you think these two might get together? He would say I don't know maybe? LOL
 
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Oh good your wife can also watch. She will like it. My husband and me would watch some of those movies and joke about when the fight would happen (always some sort of misunderstanding) Then we would say, do you think these two might get together? He would say I don't know maybe? LOL
Self disclosure and honesty... Romances and Horror movies have one thing in common... If you are a fan, you end up learning the actual writing formula so devoutly that you rarely run across one that wows you! :tearsofjoy: So... like all things... one can sift through 1,000's of trash films to find that one good one! :D

"Crazy Stupid Love" threw a curve ball, was far from "kid friendly" and was very unexpected. Oh no, I looked it up and realized that I haven't seen the notebook yet! Well, that'll be after "Loving Leah". :tearsofjoy:
 
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Self disclosure and honesty... Romances and Horror movies have one thing in common... If you are a fan, you end up learning the actual writing formula so devoutly that you rarely run across one that wows you! :tearsofjoy: So... like all things... one can sift through 1,000's of trash films to find that one good one! :D

"Crazy Stupid Love" threw a curve ball, was far from "kid friendly" and was very unexpected. Oh no, I looked it up and realized that I haven't seen the notebook yet! Well, that'll be after "Loving Leah". :tearsofjoy:
Exactly, that is why me and hubby would joke sometimes. To the point that if he had to run and do something real quick he would say I got time, they haven't had their fight yet. When he would come back in he would ask fight yet? making sure he got back in time.
But there are some of the relationship styles that just get ya. But to be honest I do not watch Hallmark like I used to because it got old. I had forgotten Loving Leah was even a Hallmark movie.
 
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A man could have more than one wife in the OT, Deuteronomy 21:
Jesus tells us that Moses allowed this because of the hardness of peoples hearts. From the beginning it was not so. Marriage between a man and a women is a type of the relationship between Christ and His Bride or Church. It is difficult to get a marriage to work if God is not a part of it.
 
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Jesus tells us that Moses allowed this because of the hardness of peoples hearts.
Divorce was allowed because of hardness of heart. But divorce was not from the beginning.
Abe never divorced Sarah, Jacob never divorced either of his wives. God hates divorce.
 
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Divorce was allowed because of hardness of heart. But divorce was not from the beginning.
Abe never divorced Sarah, Jacob never divorced either of his wives. God hates divorce.
Yes God hates divorce and in the case of David it cost him his first born son with Bathsheba.

What I am talking about is Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh". I think Jesus is talking about marriage and how it is suppose to be and how God intended for marriage to be. In the movie "A stranger among us". The Hasidic was explaining what marriage is for them. The detective Melony Griffith was having trouble trying to grasp the concept. Christians have what they call promise keepers where they save themselves for marriage.

My wife and I have actually arranged maybe five or six marriages. It is interesting how all of that works out.

Paul in Chapter 7 of 1 Corinthians says a women is free to remarry if her husband dies but in Paul's opinion she would be better to remain single and devote herself to serving God. "40 In my judgment, however, she is happier if she remains as she is. And I think that I too have the Spirit of God."
 
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