Was Moses a Jew?

MarkeSmith said:

Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!

Moses was a Levite!
He was not a Jew or of the tribe of Judah!
There is no Judaism Jewish religion or Jewish Messiah or Jewish covenant!
The Mosaic covenant religion and Messiah was for Israel all 12 tribes not for the Jews or the tribe of Judah alone!

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Is there such a thing as Judaism? Yes
Is there a Jewish Messiah? Yes
is there a Jewish religion? Yes
Is there a Jewish covenant? Covenants are not ethnic; they are contracts.

MarkeSmith said:

Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!

Moses was a Levite!
He was not a Jew or of the tribe of Judah!
There is no Judaism Jewish religion or Jewish Messiah or Jewish covenant!
The Mosaic covenant religion and Messiah was for Israel all 12 tribes not for the Jews or the tribe of Judah alone!

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Jew/Judaism is a type of misnomer for Isreal. The term "Jew" wasn't around during Moses especially since Hebrew doesn't have the "J" sound and it also is a modern English word, the biblical word is "Yahudi" and it's still used today. We may however posthumously call Moses a Jew similar to how Catholics posthumously call Peter the first Pope.

MarkeSmith said:

Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!

Moses was a Levite!
He was not a Jew or of the tribe of Judah!
There is no Judaism Jewish religion or Jewish Messiah or Jewish covenant!
The Mosaic covenant religion and Messiah was for Israel all 12 tribes not for the Jews or the tribe of Judah alone!

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Levite - Wikipedia

The term "Jew" originally referred to a member of the Tribe of Judah. Then it referred more broadly to the southern Kingdom of Judah. And then, as it still does today, refer to all Israelites.

This is why the Beta Israel, or Ethiopian Jews, who are regarded as being of the Tribe of Dan are still Jews.

Yes, Moses was a Jew, because Levites are Jews.

-CryptoLutheran

MarkeSmith said:

Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!

Moses was a Levite!
He was not a Jew or of the tribe of Judah!
There is no Judaism Jewish religion or Jewish Messiah or Jewish covenant!
The Mosaic covenant religion and Messiah was for Israel all 12 tribes not for the Jews or the tribe of Judah alone!

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To be a Jew, wouldn't he have to be born in Judea?

Moses was born in Egypt.

Isn't the tribe of Levite one of the 12?

You are saying there is NO Jewish religion? Explain please.

You are saying that there was NO Jewish Messiah. Explain please.

Wouldn't he be better described as a "Hebrew".

Major1 said:

Wouldn't he be better described as a "Hebrew".

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Yes, Moses was Hebrew (courtesy of Exodus 1:15-16,19, 2:7,11, 3:18, 5:3, 7:16, 9:1,13, 10:3, 21:2; Deuteronomy 5:12), a descendant of Eber (courtesy of Genesis 10:21,24-25 and so many others) of the tribe of Levi (courtesy of Exodus 2:1, 4:14), a child of Jacob/Israel (courtesy of Genesis 29:34).

Major1 said:

Moses was born in Egypt.

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Yes, Moses was born in Egypt, which would make him ethnically Hebrew, but nationally (originally) Egyptian, later sojourning in Midian, but became a member of a higher kingdom (an heavenly).

Major1 said:

You are saying there is NO Jewish religion? Explain please.

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According to the Apostle Paul, once called Saul, he had profited in the "Jews' religion" (courtesy of Galatians 1:13-14), yet at the same time calling himself an "Hebrew of the Hebrews" (courtesy of Philippians 3:5).

AmigodeJesus said:

According to the Apostle Paul, once called Saul, he had profited in the "Jews' religion" (courtesy of Galatians 1:13-14), yet at the same time calling himself an "Hebrew of the Hebrews" (courtesy of Philippians 3:5).

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But that does not answer the question now does it?

You see, Markesmith originally said.............

"Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!"

So, Marke said......."There is NO Jewish Religion and NO Jewish Messiah!

That is why I asked him the question which he has not responded to.

If there is NO Jewish religion, and NO Jewish Messiah, then we are ALL still in our sins and doomed for hell.

Is that not the case??????

AmigodeJesus said:

Yes, Moses was born in Egypt, which would make him ethnically Hebrew, but nationally (originally) Egyptian, later sojourning in Midian, but became a member of a higher kingdom (an heavenly).

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You are in agreement And so your point is......?

ViaCrucis said:

The term "Jew" originally referred to a member of the Tribe of Judah. Then it referred more broadly to the southern Kingdom of Judah. And then, as it still does today, refer to all Israelites.

This is why the Beta Israel, or Ethiopian Jews, who are regarded as being of the Tribe of Dan are still Jews.

Yes, Moses was a Jew, because Levites are Jews.

-CryptoLutheran

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Yes they are however, In contrast to the other tribes, the Levites had no inherited portion in the Land of Israel and were set apart as the Priestly tribe to serve God.

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Major1 said:

Yes they are however, In contrast to the other tribes, the Levites had no inherited portion in the Land of Israel and were set apart as the Priestly tribe to serve God.

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They had their own towns and villages scattered throughout the territories of the other tribes. Further, by the time of Jesus this was basically a non issue. Jews, from all twelve tribes, lived not only throughout what used to be ancient Israel, but throughout the entire Greco-Roman World, and also throughout the Middle East, even as far as India. Which is why we see Paul, a Jew, of the tribe of Benjamin, born in Tarsus in what is today southern Turkey; or how we see Mary, of the tribe of Judah, and Elizabeth Mary's cousin or close kin, who was of the tribe of Levi.

-CryptoLutheran

Major1 said:

But that does not answer the question now does it?

You see, Markesmith originally said.............

"Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!"

So, Marke said......."There is NO Jewish Religion and NO Jewish Messiah!

That is why I asked him the question which he has not responded to.

If there is NO Jewish religion, and NO Jewish Messiah, then we are ALL still in our sins and doomed for hell.

Is that not the case??????

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The 10 Commandments and Sabbath is for all man. Jesus died on the cross for all of us, but wants us to keep His Commandments (Gods Law) and obey and worship Him.
John 14:15 15"If you love me, keep my commands.

Revelation 14:12 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.



1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish. “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:3) before sin entered. “Sanctified” means “to be set apart for holy use.” The only ones in the Garden of Eden for whom the Sabbath was “set apart” were Adam and Eve, who weren’t Jewish.

2) “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. Jesus said this. It was “made” in the Garden of Eden before it was “written” down on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was “made” for “man,” not just Jews.

3) The other nine commandments are not “just for Jews.” God wrote “Ten Commandments” on stone, not just nine (See Deut. 4:12, 13; Ex. 20). Does “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” and “Do not bear false witness” apply only to Jews?

4) “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Exodus 20:10. God calls the Sabbath, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it “the Sabbath of the Jews.” It isn’t their Sabbath, but God’s.

5) The Sabbath commandment is for the “stranger” too. The fourth commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. “Strangers” are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too. Read also Isaiah 56:6.

6) Isaiah said Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. “Also the sons of the stranger … every one that keeps the Sabbath … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people .” Isaiah 56:6, 7. Thus the Sabbath is for Gentiles and “all people,” not just for Jews.

7) “All” mankind will keep the Sabbath in the New Earth. In “the new earth … from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22, 23. Here God says that “all flesh” we will be keeping the Sabbath in “the new earth.” If this is the case – and it is – shouldn’t we start now?

8) Gentiles kept the Sabbath in the Book of Acts. “The Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath … Paul and Barnabas … persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.”‘ Acts 13:42, 43. Here saved-by-grace Gentiles kept the Sabbath (see also verse 44).

9) “The law” [of Ten Commandments] is for “all the world,” not just for Jews. Paul wrote these words. Read Romans 2:17-23; 3:19, 23.

10) Luke was a Gentile who kept the Sabbath. Luke was the only Gentile who wrote any New Testament books (he wrote The Gospel According to St. Luke and The Acts of the Apostles). Luke traveled with Paul and wrote, “On the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side.” Acts 16:13. It was the seventh-day Sabbath, the memorial of the creation (see Ex. 20:11). Both Luke and Paul knew it.

Take from https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/ten-reasons-why-the-sabbath-is-not-jewish

MarkeSmith said:

Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!

Moses was a Levite!
He was not a Jew or of the tribe of Judah!
There is no Judaism Jewish religion or Jewish Messiah or Jewish covenant!
The Mosaic covenant religion and Messiah was for Israel all 12 tribes not for the Jews or the tribe of Judah alone!

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And who are you to go against what God Himself set up and declared as His? If there were no Jews, there was no Messiah, there were no disciples and there would certainly be no Pope. You do not exist! You are a figment of your own imagination!

What God says is---neither you nor any man can say otherwise. Jesus was a Jew, He was the Messiah as Prophesied, He died for the sins of the world. God makes the Decisions and He declared that the Nation of Israel was to be rent apart and the tribes would be given to others, but Judah was to be spared---who made you God to change what He has said??

1Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
1Ki 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
1Ki 11:11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
1Ki 11:12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.
1Ki 11:13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen.

1Ki 11:29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
1Ki 11:30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
1Ki 11:31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
1Ki 11:32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel
1Ki 11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
1Ki 11:34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
1Ki 11:35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.
1Ki 11:36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.
1Ki 11:37 And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel.
1Ki 11:38 And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
1Ki 11:39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.

Why not read the bible before you make a decision about what it says?

imge said:

The 10 Commandments and Sabbath is for all man. Jesus died on the cross for all of us, but wants us to keep His Commandments (Gods Law) and obey and worship Him.
John 14:15 15"If you love me, keep my commands.

Revelation 14:12 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.



1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish. “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:3) before sin entered. “Sanctified” means “to be set apart for holy use.” The only ones in the Garden of Eden for whom the Sabbath was “set apart” were Adam and Eve, who weren’t Jewish.

2) “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. Jesus said this. It was “made” in the Garden of Eden before it was “written” down on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was “made” for “man,” not just Jews.

3) The other nine commandments are not “just for Jews.” God wrote “Ten Commandments” on stone, not just nine (See Deut. 4:12, 13; Ex. 20). Does “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” and “Do not bear false witness” apply only to Jews?

4) “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Exodus 20:10. God calls the Sabbath, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it “the Sabbath of the Jews.” It isn’t their Sabbath, but God’s.

5) The Sabbath commandment is for the “stranger” too. The fourth commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. “Strangers” are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too. Read also Isaiah 56:6.

6) Isaiah said Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. “Also the sons of the stranger … every one that keeps the Sabbath … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people .” Isaiah 56:6, 7. Thus the Sabbath is for Gentiles and “all people,” not just for Jews.

7) “All” mankind will keep the Sabbath in the New Earth. In “the new earth … from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22, 23. Here God says that “all flesh” we will be keeping the Sabbath in “the new earth.” If this is the case – and it is – shouldn’t we start now?

8) Gentiles kept the Sabbath in the Book of Acts. “The Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath … Paul and Barnabas … persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.”‘ Acts 13:42, 43. Here saved-by-grace Gentiles kept the Sabbath (see also verse 44).

9) “The law” [of Ten Commandments] is for “all the world,” not just for Jews. Paul wrote these words. Read Romans 2:17-23; 3:19, 23.

10) Luke was a Gentile who kept the Sabbath. Luke was the only Gentile who wrote any New Testament books (he wrote The Gospel According to St. Luke and The Acts of the Apostles). Luke traveled with Paul and wrote, “On the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side.” Acts 16:13. It was the seventh-day Sabbath, the memorial of the creation (see Ex. 20:11). Both Luke and Paul knew it.

Take from https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/ten-reasons-why-the-sabbath-is-not-jewish

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I really do not like doing this, however my dear friend, you are very, very wrong and your error stems from not do the Bible study required and instead reading and useing the blogs of people who only have a personal agenda.

With only a little time invested you would understand that

The very words of the ten commandments clearly tells us that the commandments were for the Jewish people ONLY!

1. God never brought me or my ancestors out of Egypt! Ex 20:2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."
2. The Lord has not given me the promised land of Canaan! Ex 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you"
3. Since the Sabbath is a sign between God and fleshly Israel, there is nothing requiring non-Jews to keep it! (Ex. 31:13,17; Ezek. 20:12, 20)
4. If it was intended for all mankind, then why specifically say "strangers within your gates". Obviously the Gentiles (strangers) were never required at any point in earth history to keep the Sabbath! The Bible and all known history prove this true!

On top of all that, there is not one single Scripture commanding us as Gentiles to worship God on the Sabbath/Saturday.

The command from God to Moses was that there WOULD BE A DAY OF REST, SO KEEP IT HOLY.

Major1 said:

I really do not like doing this, however my dear friend, you are very, very wrong and your error stems from not do the Bible study required and instead reading and useing the blogs of people who only have a personal agenda.

With only a little time invested you would understand that

The very words of the ten commandments clearly tells us that the commandments were for the Jewish people ONLY!

1. God never brought me or my ancestors out of Egypt! Ex 20:2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."
2. The Lord has not given me the promised land of Canaan! Ex 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you"
3. Since the Sabbath is a sign between God and fleshly Israel, there is nothing requiring non-Jews to keep it! (Ex. 31:13,17; Ezek. 20:12, 20)
4. If it was intended for all mankind, then why specifically say "strangers within your gates". Obviously the Gentiles (strangers) were never required at any point in earth history to keep the Sabbath! The Bible and all known history prove this true!

On top of all that, there is not one single Scripture commanding us as Gentiles to worship God on the Sabbath/Saturday.

The command from God to Moses was that there WOULD BE A DAY OF REST, SO KEEP IT HOLY.

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You have taken scripture that is quoted in the Bible and turned it into personal assumptions about someone who you do not know. This was written up very nicely with scripture quotes, but my friend, that does not mean I go around quoting blogs as you stated and not personally read the Bible. I am not sure what that would change anyway, since what I quoted came from the Bible and what I do or say does not matter, its what scripture and what God says that matters.

If the 10 Commandments were only for Jewish people, that would be really sad and than why bother reading or believing the Bible? Gods Law is for everyone. Gods grace is for everyone. Gods Sabbath is for everyone. Whether we choose to obey and worship Him is our free will.

What is so bad about the 10 Commandments? God wrote it in stone as it was meant to be everlasting. Is it okay to kill? murder? worship idols? Lie? Cheat? Gods law was meant for man and how He wants us to treat each other and to worship Him.

That's why throughout the entire Bible so many scriptures are about keeping Gods law.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

These are just a few scriptures. Considering similar scriptures are repeated over and over in the Bible seems like it is pretty important to God we keep His law.

imge said:

You have taken scripture that is quoted in the Bible and turned it into personal assumptions about someone who you do not know. This was written up very nicely with scripture quotes, but my friend, that does not mean I go around quoting blogs as you stated and not personally read the Bible. I am not sure what that would change anyway, since what I quoted came from the Bible and what I do or say does not matter, its what scripture and what God says that matters.

If the 10 Commandments were only for Jewish people, that would be really sad and than why bother reading or believing the Bible? Gods Law is for everyone. Gods grace is for everyone. Gods Sabbath is for everyone. Whether we choose to obey and worship Him is our free will.

What is so bad about the 10 Commandments? God wrote it in stone as it was meant to be everlasting. Is it okay to kill? murder? worship idols? Lie? Cheat? Gods law was meant for man and how He wants us to treat each other and to worship Him.

That's why throughout the entire Bible so many scriptures are about keeping Gods law.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

These are just a few scriptures. Considering similar scriptures are repeated over and over in the Bible seems like it is pretty important to God we keep His law.

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Nothing is bad about the law but The fact is......we can not keep the Law brother.

Name ONE person other than Jesus Christ who kept the law completely.
Name ONE person who was saved by the Law.
Name ONE person who was kept saved by keeping the Law.

Of course, every born again believer wants to keep the commandments of Jesus, he just can not do it.

Revelation 14:12 does not apply to us today my friend. The gospel of salvation actually changes AFTER the Rapture. That Scripture is CONTEXTUALLY referring to those people who are NOT TAKEN in the Rapture. They can get saved by faith in Christ but they will also have to keep the commandments of God.

Revelations 22:14 is probably a Scripture you do not want to use. You see, the ONLY people, who believe that the word commandments in Revelation 22:14 is speaking of the LAW OF MOSES, are the Sabbath-keeping believers. For you see, according to Torah keeping Christians, all Christians must keep the Law of Moses in order to receive ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come.

Major1 said:

To be a Jew, wouldn't he have to be born in Judea?

Moses was born in Egypt.

Isn't the tribe of Levite one of the 12?

You are saying there is NO Jewish religion? Explain please.

You are saying that there was NO Jewish Messiah. Explain please.

Wouldn't he be better described as a "Hebrew".

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In Moses time to be a member of the tribe of Judah one would have to have been a descendent of Judah or have been adopted into that tribe. Moses was a Levite because he was a descendant of Levi the founder of the tribe of Levi. There were 10 other tribes of the Hebrew or Israelite nation. The only modern representatives of the ancient nation of Israel are among the people we know today as the Jews. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah therefore he was a Jew according to the 1st century definition of the word Jew.