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Was Mohammed a False Prophet

Was Mohammed a false prophet?

  • Yes. Mohammed was a false prophet.

  • No. Mohammed was a real prophet.

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Mohammed pointed to the Holy Spirit, it is the Holy Spirit to whom even the Arabs must turn.

I have spoken to a few Muslims on their understanding of the paraclete and from what I have gathered from these Muhammad was understood to be just this.

However, other reading online seems to point to the Holy Spirit being the angel Gabriel from what I can gather.

But if Muhammad did point to the Holy Spirit (according to you or his own understanding) wouldnt he have pointed to Gabriel (from whom he seems to believe his revelation came)?
 
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He is clearly not a prophet from a Christian perspective. However, few can deny that the Quran (at least the bits I have heard) is highly poetic. It's an interesting study into Arabic culture in the Period.

What does Mohammed being a false prophet or not have to do with the Quran being poetic? It's like you has to say something nice about Islam after saying something that would offend Muslims.
 
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What does Mohammed being a false prophet or not have to do with the Quran being poetic? It's like you has to say something nice about Islam after saying something that would offend Muslims.

No, I looked at something without an ethnocentric perspective being applied.

Nothing I said would be considered offensive to mainstream Muslims, I said "from a Christian perspective" he is a false prophet. I did not say he is false in their understanding.
 
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What qualifies anyone as a prophet, false or not?

I think prophet in the context of Abrahamic religions might be taken to mean someone who is chosen by God to deliver a message to his or her people.
The mandate(the qualifications) to deliver that message would be from God himself.

There is no special official ecclesiastical office of Temple Church or mosque that one can apply for, but it is a special spiritual dispensation of direct communication with God that qualified someone as a prophet.

A true prophet in that sense would be sent from God, and his message would be true to God's word. A false prophet conversely would either be sent from someone other than God, and/or his message would not be a godly message.
 
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He is clearly not a prophet from a Christian perspective. However, few can deny that the Quran (at least the bits I have heard) is highly poetic. It's an interesting study into Arabic culture in the Period.

Would he be a true prophet from God's perspective?
And how would it be possible to discern this?
 
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For everyone who has an opinion, now is a good time to give your good reasons for letting everyone know why Mohammed is not a prophet.

Because he wasn't a prophet.

A prophet proclaims truth.

That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, only-begotten, and that He suffered once and for all for the sins of the whole world, was buried, and was raised on the third day and now sits at the right hand of the Father in glory and power from whence He shall come again to judge the living and the dead, bringing with Him everlasting kingdom. That is truth.

Muhammad not only does not confess this truth, he specifically rejects this truth. He therefore cannot be a prophet of God.

Seems simple enough to me.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Because he wasn't a prophet.

A prophet proclaims truth.

That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, only-begotten, and that He suffered once and for all for the sins of the whole world, was buried, and was raised on the third day and now sits at the right hand of the Father in glory and power from whence He shall come again to judge the living and the dead, bringing with Him everlasting kingdom. That is truth.

Muhammad not only does not confess this truth, he specifically rejects this truth. He therefore cannot be a prophet of God.

Seems simple enough to me.

-CryptoLutheran

As Christians, we arrive at the truth of the Divinity of Jesus through faith, and through faith, the falseness of any prophetic claim may be discerned in accordance with whether or not it contradicts what we already hold to be true.
We also live in a skeptical age, in which fact-checking becomes necessary in order for us to maintain our faith, and to assert our faith against contrary claims.

It is not that simple then, if the goal is not just a blind faith but a reasonable faith, a faith consistent with fact derived from outside of blind, unreasoned faith.

Christians believe in Christ crucified, and Christ resurrected. What the Koran teaches is much more cryptic, but suffice it to say that Christ was not crucified to death according to Mohammed's Koranic version.


The best historic evidence, dating back to the very generation of Christ's death supports the empty tomb, and the crucifixion and burial of Christ. There is zero historic evidence for the Koranic version, which cross references to ancient Gnostic belief of a Christ who only appeared to be crucified, for to the Gnostics Christ was not a real human being.

This historic evidence from the Gnostic stream on the other hand cannot support the Koranic version, for it is based on a phantom Christ, and in the Koranic version, Christ is fully human.

Christ as Second Person of Trinity is a faith statement. Christ crucified as sacrifice is not a faith statement, but objective fact. It is not only the Christian faith that Mohammed contradicts, but it is history itself that testifies to the Prophets falseness.
 
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Mohammed was very religious. After becoming financially secure through marriage, he spent much time exploring different faiths. He often visited the Jewish section of the town to enquire about their faith. It's clear that he was given heretical material to study:

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IBN ISHAQ CONTINUED page 267

"Then He said: "They change words from their places, saying, If this be given to you receive it, and if it is not given to you, i.e. the stoning, beware of it. "

We see from the above that this verse in the Quran is related to a specific group of Jews playing tricks on the Muslims. It clearly does not say that the Torah was corrupted.


There are other instances of deception by the rabbis recorded. Islam has been a thorn in Israel's side since.

Matthew 12:36But I tell you that for every careless word that men shall speak they will be held accountable on the day of Judgement.

Not all the deviations were from outside sources. Muslim scholars took liberties with the text on their own as well:

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Let's start with two simple cases: Muhammad borrowing from the Jewish Mishnah concerning 1) Cain and Abel, and 2) Abraham. [27]

1) The Quran's story is found in Sura 5:27-32. Initially, the O.T. and Quran basically agree on the narrative. In verse 31, the two diverge.

"That is why we laid it down for the Israelites that whoever killed a human being, except as punishment for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be deemed as though he had killed all mankind; and that whoever saved a human life shall be deemed as though he had saved all mankind.".

Initially, there appears to be no connection between verses 31 and 32. Why the life or death of one should be as the salvation or destruction of all mankind in not made clear in the Quran. When we turn to another Jewish record - the Mishnah Sanhedrin, we find the link between the story and what follows:

"We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, 'The voice of thy brother's bloods crieth' (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race." Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5
Here in the Quran is a passage from the Mishnah! The Mishnah is a Jewish commentary on the Torah. How did a Rabbi's commentary on the Torah make its way into the Quran? Simple, Muhammad had heard these teachings from the Jews, and repeated them later as he recited "revelation".


Because the word for blood is in the plural in Gen. 4:10, an ingenious Rabbi invented the supposition that all Abel's offspring had been killed with him which signified that any murder or life-saving act had universal implications. Clearly Muhammad had no knowledge of the source of the theory set out in the Mishnah but, in hearing it related, simply set out the Rabbi's suppositions as the eternal decree of God! Now today, some Jewish Rabbi's thoughts now are quoted in the Quran!

This short piece clearly shows, in one way at least, how Muhammad received "revelations". In this case, verbal stories told by the Jews, and Muhammad's memory served him. Here the Quran fails the test of authenticity; it owes much of its substance to other faiths. For some reason Muhammad decided to quote a Jewish story, feeling it has some important meaning, and placed into the Quran. Little did Muhammad know or really understand from what he was really quoting.


Rebuttals to Islamic Awareness

There are many incidences of the Koran containing stories from Talmudic and Christian apocryphal sources.

I find it easier to believe that this 'pearls of wisdom' were gleaned directly from the sources available to all at the time, and a prophet named Mohammed had nothing to do with their genesis.
In the early years, before the writings of the Koran were canonized, there were thousands and tens of thousands of sayings and verses that were being attributed to Mohammed. In the name of political unity, the caliph made a conscious arbitrary decision to destroy most of these verses, and even destroy the Koran held by one of Mohammed's widows, lest there be any attempt to usurp the authority of his own Koran with a more original version.
 
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It is not only the Christian faith that Mohammed contradicts, but it is history itself that testifies to the Prophets falseness.

And the history of his character is important. So many assassinations ordered by him of people who merely disagreed with him. The followers today who kill for perceived insults to him are just following his example to the letter.
 
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It's almost comical how his revelations seem so self-serving and made up on the fly to suit situations. Just some examples:

1. When his army is weak, it is revealed to him he must live peacefully with the Meccans. A few years later when his army is stronger than the Meccans', he gets a new revelation that they should be conquered.

2. One of his wives cheats on him which causes scandal and dishonor. The fix: the angel appears to him and declares "no, it didn't happen". Now nobody can gossip about the affair without contradicting the direct Word of God.
It goes to character.
This is not to say that 'prophets' in the Judeo-Christian tradition have all been of good character. The adultery and subsequent murder of his lover's husband was egregious behavior on David's behalf. Nevertheless, note that God's response to David is not to change the Law on his behalf to save him embarrassment, but to mete punishment on David for his crimes. David for his part did not come up with a new prophecy to justify himself, but repented of his sin.
What kind of testimony is it of God who is fickle with his prophecies, saying one thing when the wind blows one way, and the opposite thing when the wind blows from the next direction?
What does it say of God who covers up the sexual peccadilloes of his prophets, lest they be scandalized by scandalous activities.

A reasoned faith would note that there is a great disconnect between believing in God who is perfectly good, and a God who blots out what he once mandates.
Muslims believe in a capricious God. Mohammed is the Prophet of a capricious God.



3. The famous Satanic Verses - In order to make nice with Mecca, he announces a revelation that three of their pagan goddesses are real, and are daughters of Allah. I can imagine what my reaction would have been: "You've been preaching hatred of paganism and we've been marauding around Arabia sacking caravans and cities and smashing pagan idols and lopping off the heads of pagans, and now all of a sudden it's revealed that we should venerate pagan goddesses?" The fix: a new revelation from the "real" Gabriel saying that that last Gabriel was really Satan in disguise.

Seems to me as false as a three dollar bill.

According to the most authentic of Islamic authorities, theirs is a Prophet who had to be convinced by people who were not there that his prophecies were not demonic. Theirs is a Prophet who did indeed prophecy for the Devil himself, according to his own confession.
Has there ever been another prophet in the whole of the biblical or Abrahamic tradition who did not know whether his prophecy was from God or the Devil, who prophecies for both?

The prophecies of Mohammed, according to Islamic sources themselves, had the tendency to be self-serving. That is the lesson to be learned of the Satanic verses.

Prominent Muslims report this, are fully conscious of this, and yet regard this as the marks of the kind of man that they aspire to be. Mohammed is purported to be the role model for all future Muslims, and this is the kind of behavior that s to be emulated. It is a very different standard of behavior that Christ, the Way, set out for us as godly and good behavior.

This goes to the type of prophet that Mohammed was. Certainly this hyper-masculine, will-to-power model will have an appeal for many people, especially hyper-masculine young men, who no doubt find the self-restraint of Christianity particularly grating.
 
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For everyone who has an opinion, now is a good time to give your good reasons for letting everyone know why Mohammed is not a prophet.
No brainer there. Allah Himself intervened in human history and walked among us, died on the Cross, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven, Mahound denies all that. False prophet, punto.
 
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Muhammad made a profit alongside his barbaric followers but he was no prophet of God.

He had no prophecies or miracles to validate his claim to be a prophet and he brought nothing new. If anybody had a basic understanding of the Old and New Testament and went back in time to Arabia, they could be Muhammad.

The only so called "miracle" he had was the Quran which is stupid. The Quran says if you cannot write a chapter that is like it then you must admit it could only come from God. The test is subjective and is based on an opinion. I can't write a story like Shakespeare so do I have to admit that his stories came from God? No.

The best proof against Muhammad would be the Satanic verses incident where he took the words of Satan which told the Pagans in Mecca that their Gods were the daughters of Allah and could be prayed to. He realized that he had preached polytheism so he went back and said he was tricked by Satan.

"But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die." (Deuteronomy 18:20)

According to the Old Testament, the false prophet Muhammad should have been put to death. Unfortunately he lived on and his false religion spread and has brought billions down with him into hell.
 
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And the history of his character is important. So many assassinations ordered by him of people who merely disagreed with him. The followers today who kill for perceived insults to him are just following his example to the letter.

The reason why the history of his character is so important is that he is the Prophet to end all prophets, and the role model to end all role models among Muslims.
When the ayatollahs come into Iran, for example, they lower the marriage age for girls to nine, because that is a law that emulates their prophet.
 
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No brainer there. Allah Himself intervened in human history and walked among us, died on the Cross, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven, Mahound denies all that. False prophet, punto.

Atheist Nietzsche, pronouncing God as being dead, invites everybody to re-examine all values to determine what is good.

Goodness in the eyes of Christianity is to follow Christ with his cross, to deny self and sacrifice oneself for the betterment of the least of our brother in need.

Goodness for Nietzsche was to affirm the self, the will-to-power, the goodness of the overmanned with a strong physiology and strong abilities to rise above the herd and be served by him.

To follow the prophet Mohammed is to deny the cross and affirm the goodness of power.

It is a very different vision of God, and a very different outcome that comes about, whether one see Christ as the God to aspire to, or Mohammed as their role model.

It is not just that Islam is a variation of an Abrahamic faith, somewhat similar to Christianity and Judaism. In fact, Mohammed advocates a religion and a way of life that is diametrically opposed to Christ, that is the exact opposite of what Christ teaches.
 
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