Was Judas Iscariot saved?

[theseed]

I've heard from someone that the bible lends to the possibilty that Judas Iscariot might have been saved as he was going to hang himself. Has anyone heard about this? I suppose, here too, only God knows.

 

[Arnold_Philips]

I think his salvation is secure. I think he was given a bad rap. I mean, someone had to betray Jesus, and it could've been any of the 12, but Judas picked the short straw. It's worth it to note that Judas was the only one whom Jesus actually considered his friend.

 

[Crazy Liz]

The Gospel According to Judas is a really great book. I highly recommend it to anyone thinking about this question. (BTW, I was surprised to see several other books with the same title at amazon.com. This one is by Ray S. Anderson.

 

[He put me back together]

One could definately wonder if we might see Judas in the Kingdom, if it were not for this passage:

Matthew 26
23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

This rules out the possibility, for the most part.

 

[angeljan]

How did Judas get saved then unsaved.?? Was he ever really saved.??

You mean a person who is truly saved is incapable of yielding to a temptation which would result in them no longer being saved? Or what exactly do you mean by saved?

However, saying someone is "saved" may not correspond with the reality since they may later become "unsaved".

Judas believed had faith , yet he betrayed Christ, so he was saved at one point.


Angel

"The Parable of the Sower declares there are four different types of people who hear the Word of God. The second type mentioned "believe for a while but in time of testing fall away," Lk. 8:13. In Matt. 13:21, the explanation of this type of person is given: "But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persectuion comes because of the word, he quickly falls away." This type of person does not continue to live spiritually, though there was once LIFE produced by the Word of God and personal faith, as the context shows. Also, the Scriptural meaning of "fall away" in context is DIE as evidenced by the "WITHERED" plants. To "fall away" is equated here with ceasing to "believe." In review, such people after believing through the Word of God in such a way as to produce life, CEASED BELIEVING (which is likened unto 'withering'). For someone to say of such "They were never really saved to begin with" is to contradict the plain teaching of Jesus Christ! By Dan Corner"


Moreover, regarding this same parable, the eternal security teachers are also wrong to say it was "a false faith" that such people had, since it didn't endure. Friend, how could a false faith produce spiritual life? Obviously it can't! " By Dan Corner

 

[Arnold_Philips]

One could definately wonder if we might see Judas in the Kingdom, if it were not for this passage:

Matthew 26
23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

This rules out the possibility, for the most part.

Not necessarily. That's just a phrase. Job used the same phrase when going through his tribulations, and look what happened to him. I don't think we can stretch that one phrase to have bearing on Judas' salvation. I personally think God will have mercy on Judas since he was the poor sap who was chosen to betray Jesus and have all of Christendom hate him. No thanks to Dante either.

 

[secretdawn]

I think his salvation is secure. I think he was given a bad rap. I mean, someone had to betray Jesus, and it could've been any of the 12, but Judas picked the short straw. It's worth it to note that Judas was the only one whom Jesus actually considered his friend.

i think the fact he was a friend also represents that even those of us who are closest to him...the best of the best, can fall when faced with temptation...i hope he was saved though, cause he loved Christ and was part of the plan

 

[HeatherJay]

The Bible mentions only one unforgivable sin...blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Judas was not guilty of that sin. I believe his soul is quite safe.

Love, Heather

 

[theseed]

Judas believed had faith , yet he betrayed Christ, so he was saved at one point.

So we are not saved by grace? We earned it? I think not, Faith brings us into salvation, but grace keeps us there (Romans 5.2, Eph. 2.8-10). God gave his Son, it was a gift, and a gift is not earned, it's free. Paul wrote, "Thanks be to God for his unspeakable gift.

But this is a debate for another forum. And I don't wish to argue. But I this is the truth (IMO).

 

[theseed]

The Bible mentions only one unforgivable sin...blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Judas was not guilty of that sin. I believe his soul is quite safe.

Love, Heather

I guess one of the main questions would be whether he hung himself b/c he betrayed an innocent man or b/c he betrayed the Son of God.

 

[HeatherJay]

I guess one of the main questions would be whether he hung himself b/c he betrayed an innocent man or b/c he betrayed the Son of God.

I would imagine that both questions were issues for him. Probably the biggest one was that he betrayed his friend.

It all comes down to whether or not you believe that believers who commit suicide are lost.

Love, Heather

 

[angeljan]

New converts to Christ are being told that 'past, present & future' sins are forgiven in Christ and that NO SIN, regardless how vile or disgusting, can separate them from God's love. This is a False teaching. IF our 'future' sins are already forgiven, before we commit them, (as some claim) WHY then does NT Scripture warn us to:

"Resist the devil and he will flee from you!" James4:7

"Flee youthful lusts!" 2Tim2:22

"Do NOT be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." Heb3:13

"Look diligently lest you fall short of the grace of God!" Heb12:15

"Beware lest you also fall from your secure position in Christ being led away with the error of the wicked." 2Pet3:17

 

[HeatherJay]

New converts to Christ are being told that 'past, present & future' sins are forgiven in Christ and that NO SIN, regardless how vile or disgusting, can separate them from God's love. This is a False teaching. IF our 'future' sins are already forgiven, before we commit them, (as some claim) WHY then does NT Scripture warn us to:

"Resist the devil and he will flee from you!" James4:7

"Flee youthful lusts!" 2Tim2:22

"Do NOT be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." Heb3:13

"Look diligently lest you fall short of the grace of God!" Heb12:15

"Beware lest you also fall from your secure position in Christ being led away with the error of the wicked." 2Pet3:17

Me? No, I'm not a new convert. And the reason the NT instucts us in those things? Well, I can only think of one man who was without sin. Just because our sins are covered doesn't mean we should shouldn't strive to avoid sin and temptations. Just because a person is saved by the blood of Christ doesn't mean they're magically transformed into a perfect example of Christ. We're all human, capable of mistakes. And we need those verses to encourage us to continue in our walk with Christ...constantly striving to be more like Christ. The Bible states the only sin that will not be forgiven is blasphemy of the Spirit. You feel otherwise?

Love, Heather

 

[angeljan]

I suggest you read the gospel of JOhn Chapt 6:51



51: I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.



Joh:6:49: Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh:6:50: This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh:6:51: I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh:6:52: The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh:6:53: Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh:6:54: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath


Angel

 

[angeljan]

The LAW is not removed under Grace, it is established by Faith! Rom3:31

2) Christ came to 'Fulfill' the law, NOT remove it. Matt5:17-20

3) The 'Law' of Faith, is Obedience to Christ. Rom3:27, Heb11:6

4) The Cruse of the Law is defined in Heb10:26-29 (no second chances!)

5) The Ten Commandants are in FULL effect under Grace, restated throughout NT


This is the difference in people who hear the word of God and people who do the word of God.


Angel

 

[HeatherJay]

The LAW is not removed under Grace, it is established by Faith! Rom3:31

2) Christ came to 'Fulfill' the law, NOT remove it. Matt5:17-20

3) The 'Law' of Faith, is Obedience to Christ. Rom3:27, Heb11:6

4) The Cruse of the Law is defined in Heb10:26-29 (no second chances!)

5) The Ten Commandants are in FULL effect under Grace, restated throughout NT


This is the difference in people who hear the word of God and people who do the word of God.


Angel

This post is about Judas. I can assume that your position is that he was not saved? Perfectly fine with me if that's the way you feel. But instead of derailing the thread and berating me with Scripture how about just sticking to the topic and giving your opinion on that? We obviously disagree about one or two things...nothing wrong with that. Instead of preaching to me, how about addressing the original post? Thanks.

Love, Heather

 

[angeljan]

I cannot possibly state for certain how Judas was judged by God into Heaven or Hell, No one knows that but God. !


Judas may be in Purgatory, but that is not for me to make an absolute assertion on.




"If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:15)



To be saved, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31). However, that's not all. Sacred Scripture clearly shows other things you must also do to be saved:

You must endure to the end. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13.
You must accept the Cross (suffering). Matthew 10:38, Matthew 16:24-25, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27.
You must be baptized with water. Mark 16:16, Titus 3:5, I Peter 3:20-21.
You must be a member in God's true church. Acts 2:47.
You must confess your sins. James 5:16, I John 1:9.
You must keep the Commandments of God. Matthew 5:19-20, Matthew 7:21.
You must heed the words of St. Peter, the first Pope. Acts 11:13-14, Acts 15:7.
You must eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ. John 6:51-58, I Corinthians 10:16, I Corinthians 11:23-29.
Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to His call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life. CCC 1996, John 1:12-18, John 17:3, Romans 8:14-17, 2 Peter 1:3-4.


Angel

 

[theseed]

It all comes down to whether or not you believe that believers who commit suicide are lost.

It's not the suicide issue, I don't think suicide makes a person lost. But was Judas ever a believer to begin with?

 

[theseed]

This is obvious. Read Romans 6-8. If are future sins are not forgiven they we are not saved by grace, but have to earn our salvation. The bible warns against sinning, not that sinning makes one lose thier salvation.

 

[theseed]

angeljan, Thanks for the info, but for the record. I disagree.