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Featured Was Jesus Himself an Actual "Feminist" in a way? Yes or no?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Lik3, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Correct me if I'm mis-reading this,
    but from all your post leading to this,
    I think you
    mean more "men and women"(we all) need to hear JESUS' Word (on anything and everything),
    not as if there's Jesus' side vs [men or society or the devil] (two sides) to listen to.
    Just ONE GOD, ONE JESUS, ONE WORD - HIS .
     
  2. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Well why don't you just share how women are currently or before 2007 treated less than human.

    that is a strong accusation, like it must be like slavery of African Americans where they were treated less than.
     
  3. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I don't care what and who people think they should be or if they think they should be able to be a pastor. God's Word says women do not teach men or come in spiritual authority over men.

    Now as a woman, I would be happy if I felt called to teaching (I am not tho) teach women or children.

    I don't need to stand in front of a man, against God's Word to have my ego stroked that I could do it if I wanted to.

    I could go in a bar and pick up a guy after work. Will I? No way!

    It's like I said in an earlier post. Women want the power to do whatever they want to do. God never said we could be obedient and do whatever we want to do.

    Feminism makes women feel entitled. I'm not going to fall for that
     
  4. Apologetic_Warrior

    Apologetic_Warrior Saved by Grace through Faith

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    I mean that Scripture is for men and women (and children), speaks to both, applies to both, and clearly teaches respecting both, while at the same time teaches roles, and importance of hierarchy (which can be either in many instances).
     
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  5. Mskriskris

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    Jesus' message would more go into God's intention for women being submissive to men and defining the role of women, so I don't think feminists would fully embrace His message. I think feminism exist because 1.men had made it a hostile environment for women to be submissive, nurturing, and a helpmate and 2.the absence of men over the years have force women to take on that authoritative role, in short women weren't feeling valued. Jesus' i think would fight for woman's rights because He wouldn't be for oppression on anyone, not neccesary a feminist though, since His end goal would be to make the world a safe place for women to know their identity and value, more than just giving them more privileges.
     
  6. Stormy

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    When you start putting labels on people, that's were you walk away from the spirit.

    Jesus is God. Don't belittle him by attaching human labels.
     
  7. Endeavourer

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    I wouldn't call the "right to choose" radical feminism at all. In fact, I heartily promote - and insist! that all women have the right to choose whether or not to give birth to a baby. Believing otherwise would be promoting rape.

    Once the conception occurs, the choice has been made*. Now another little person is involved, a person that was given life by you and it now has a right to live.

    Don't let the other side get away with twisting language into the opposite of its meaning in order to denigrate and define your position on their terms. I'd be surprised if there was anyone on this board that believes a women should not have a choice in whether or not to have a baby.

    Do you remember the Ministry of Truth in the book "1984" by George Orwell? Our lawmakers are getting better and better at labeling signature laws backwards.

    *obviously, unless the conception is a circumstance of rape. However, the overwhelmingly vast majority of abortions are not due to rape so I avoided a sidetrack discussion of that circumstance here.
     
  8. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

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    You don't think the entitlement that's encouraged is attributed towards men (in that framework)?

    Why does it make sense to you that--as a woman--you could teach children [of whom are most impressionable and carry those teachings further than an adult male would] but not men? What would be the purpose (if not to protect the men's ego)?
     
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  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yahweh certainly knows.

    He knows who is obedient and who is not.
     
  10. compassion 4 humanity

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    Jesus was absolutely NOT a feminist! To call Jesus a feminist would be blasphemous.

    Feminists support abortion. They euphemistically call themselves "pro-choice," but it's a deceptive way of saying they believe women have the right to murder their unborn babies. Jesus never would have supported the murder of the unborn!

    The dictionaries define feminism as equal rights for women. But how it's practiced is entirely different. It's really about the solipsism, neediness, and bigoted opinions of whiny liberal women who think the world owes them everything.
     
  11. ToBeLoved

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    I’m not going to list the verses but God says that Christ is spiritually the head of man, and man is spiritually the head of his family.

    God will hold each man accountable spiritually for his family. Responsibility comes with that.

    If you look at the Bible and the Trinity we see that the Father glorifies Christ and the Holy Spirit teaches us in Truth about Christ and the Father is above all.

    I believe that just as the Godhead in their roles, per se, being glory to God we also through roles assigned by God have been given qualities that work together to bring happiness and structure to the family and our spouse and children.

    God isn’t a Lone Ranger and He didn’t create us to be.

    It’s not that I couldn’t teach men. I know that would not be God’s will for me and if I know I can, why do I need to do it to prove anything to anyone else?

    His ways are higher than mans ways.
     
  12. Ignatius the Kiwi

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    It seems difficult to infer from the limited scenes we have of Jesus' interaction with women any sort of feminist agenda on his part. Jesus offered forgiveness not only to women but to men and he demanded moral purity through his sermons and parables. Jesus didn't seem that concerned to change gender roles. If half of his Apostles were women, he might be called a feminist, but he chose men to be the leaders of the Church after he left.

    If we can Judge Jesus on what his disciples did, especially Paul, there seems to have been no feminist Agenda to raise women to an equal position with men. Women are understood to be mothers and good wives whom are helpers to their husbands. At the same time they also received positions which imply some degree of authority that Greco-Roman society simply wouldn't allow them to have. An example being that both men and women in marriage have equal rights to sexual relations with each other as far as Paul is concerned. There are disparate responsibilities as well, wives help their husbands, husbands die and love their wives like their own body.
     
  13. buzuxi02

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    Jesus was not a feminist just pragmatic. He asked the woman at the well for a drink something forbidden. But made clear that her previous husbands were a sham and her 5th is not a husband. On the other hand when he was asked about a woman whose husband died and her brother married her and then he died and the other brother married her and he died and so on in order to raise offspring. He did not say they were being immoral or that they were not a real husband only that in the next life no one is given into marriage.
    Jesus made clear that if anyone divorces their wife and she then marries another. She becomes an adulteress. Thats hardly a feminist ideal and one that was hard to swallow even at that time.
    He does not stop the sinful woman from cleaning his feet with her hair. Generally it was always the women who washed the guests feet never the men of the household. I believe Jesus himself is the only man to wash feet in the NT. So he did not forbid the practise of women using their hair as a mop. He did not choose women as his disciples, there were only ones that voluntarily followed him, etc
     
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  14. ToBeLoved

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    I support the woman’s right to not have intercourse if she would not like to become pregnant. After all, sperm and ovum must meet for pregnancy to result.

    I am pro choosing masturbation to not combine eggs if necessary.
     
  15. Paidiske

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    It would be anachronistic to say that Jesus was a feminist; feminism as a system of thought was a long way in the future when he was on earth. Whether he behaved in a way consistent with belief in the basic equality of women is an interesting question and hard to assess through the lens of the documents we have.

    But do realise that there is diversity among feminists; there are people like me, who are feminists in that we believe in the radical equality of men and women, and yet are not pro-abortion or other immoral choices.
     
  16. The Times

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    I don't believe you fully understand what the term feminist means and how it is applied to the culture of today.

    Here is a short clip. Please just focus on the feminist aspect of the term and its applied meaning.

    Please find the link below....
     
  17. Dave-W

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    Actually, you can get pregnant from that too. (If it is done together)
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    If men do unto women just as they would have woman do unto them,
    them there are is no room for gender bias at all.
     
  19. ToBeLoved

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    I think we need to separate the world and gender from The spiritual things of God and gender.

    God’s plan with gender revolves around the perfection of it and the differences in gender complimenting each other.

    God knows why He created each different and why. So in my mind, I don’t view genders as competing against each other, per se but people competing and throwing gender in there as a measuring stick.

    I think we need to stick to the spiritual and stay away from the carnal trappings and motivations.

    Just because we can. Does not mean it is spiritually edifying to do it.

    The trap is thinking the carnal victory is the win, at the detriment to the spiritual.
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    That might be the least of anyone's concerns, since spiritual victory, spiritual life, is so rare. Carnal anything doesn't change that.
    A much bigger trap most people are in.
     
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