Was it all eternal?

[com7fy8]

Good there`s hope for someone

Love "hopes all things," we have in 1 Corinthians 13:7. Jesus on the cross suffered and died with hope for any and all people. So, not only is there hope for you, but Jesus wants you to be busy with hope for any and all people > in all-loving love's praying >

"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:1-4)

 

[Pulchra]

Love "hopes all things," we have in 1 Corinthians 13:7. Jesus on the cross suffered and died with hope for any and all people. So, not only is there hope for you, but Jesus wants you to be busy with hope for any and all people > in all-loving love's praying >

"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:1-4)

But, if there`s no god or gods, wouldn`t trying to make others believe in it be a sort of an attempt to delude them?

 

[com7fy8]

But he`s not capable of random actions?

Well, your human body keeps on going, staying in as much order as it does. And even if it gets into problems, it can heal itself and adjust. I would say this shows part of how God keeps things going and not in random ways. If there was a lot of random stuff, our bodies would go broken, pretty quickly. There would be no human bodies.

Why do humans and animals and other creatures still keep going? There has been so much evil to stop us; yet, we keep on going and going. I see how in the Book of Genesis God blessed His creatures when He first made them. And that blessing is part of why we still have life, even after all that ones have done to eat and destroy God's creatures.

Therefore, God does not only keep things going, but He blesses. He even brings us to better and better, in spite of all the evil.

Now, in my own life I would say I had a very interesting example of how things can be not at random. I was riding my bike back from my lady friend's at night, when I saw two cars were coming up behind me, next to each other, one in my lane; so I got over to the curb and put out my foot to lean out of their way, but my foot touched nothing and I and my bike and groceries all fell over.

My foot had gone into a hole on the other side of the curb . . . where dirt had eroded, I guess, into the drainage hole that was there along the curb. Right there is where I put my foot out, right when those two cars were coming . . . while I was passing right there. Everything I had been doing before that had timed me to be there, right then. So, I understood clearly how God had had control for all that timing to fit together. The statistical chances of the cars next to each other, the hole being there, and me getting there, all at once . . . is not very statistically likely, I see; plus, this perfect timing happens often, for me. This is just one example. This can help show how nothing is random . . . because God is in management of everything and He isn't random.

So, even in our personal lives, nothing is by accident.

What we do about each thing is what matters.

 

[Pulchra]

Well, your human body keeps on going, staying in as much order as it does. And even if it gets into problems, it can heal itself and adjust. I would say this shows part of how God keeps things going and not in random ways. If there was a lot of random stuff, our bodies would go broken, pretty quickly. There would be no human bodies.

Why do humans and animals and other creatures still keep going? There has been so much evil to stop us; yet, we keep on going and going. I see how in the Book of Genesis God blessed His creatures when He first made them. And that blessing is part of why we still have life, even after all that ones have done to eat and destroy God's creatures.

Therefore, God does not only keep things going, but He blesses. He even brings us to better and better, in spite of all the evil.

Now, in my own life I would say I had a very interesting example of how things can be not at random. I was riding my bike back from my lady friend's at night, when I saw two cars were coming up behind me, next to each other, one in my lane; so I got over to the curb and put out my foot to lean out of their way, but my foot touched nothing and I and my bike and groceries all fell over.

My foot had gone into a hole on the other side of the curb . . . where dirt had eroded, I guess, into the drainage hole that was there along the curb. Right there is where I put my foot out, right when those two cars were coming . . . while I was passing right there. Everything I had been doing before that had timed me to be there, right then. So, I understood clearly how God had had control for all that timing to fit together. The statistical chances of the cars next to each other, the hole being there, and me getting there, all at once . . . is not very statistically likely, I see; plus, this perfect timing happens often, for me. This is just one example. This can help show how nothing is random . . . because God is in management of everything and He isn't random.

So, even in our personal lives, nothing is by accident.

What we do about each thing is what matters.

Is the universe created a little randomly you think?

 

[com7fy8]

But, if there`s no god or gods, wouldn`t trying to make others believe in it be a sort of an attempt to delude them?

yeah

Paul says >

"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up---if in fact the dead do not rise." (1 Corinthians 15:13-15)

So, also, then, I would say . . . if I tell you there is God when there isn't, I am a false witness. But I am not on purpose trying to delude you. If there are not gods, and things are pretty much the way things are now . . . who decides what is right and wrong? Or what decides??

But I experience now how God is personal and caring and creative. And we can share with Him in His loving. I can make good and loving use of anything, with Jesus.

 

[com7fy8]

Is the universe created a little randomly you think?

no

creatively . . . not randomly

 

[Pulchra]

yeah

Paul says >

"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up---if in fact the dead do not rise." (1 Corinthians 15:13-15)

So, also, then, I would say . . . if I tell you there is God when there isn't, I am a false witness. But I am not on purpose trying to delude you. If there are not gods, and things are pretty much the way things are now . . . who decides what is right and wrong? Or what decides??

But I experience now how God is personal and caring and creative. And we can share with Him in His loving. I can make good and loving use of anything, with Jesus.

Yes, with the jesus

 

[Pulchra]

no

creatively . . . not randomly

I understand

 

[com7fy8]

 

[com7fy8]

There are times when I consider how there is anything in existence, at all . . . versus there being nothing.

This for me is a marvelous wonder. I don't think nothing could produce all we are experiencing to exist. And there is God who is so absolutely great and beautifully wondrous in love and in almighty power and control, and personal with people, even though He is so superior > He is not conceited . . . but personally communicates with each of us > He can be resisting us (while blessing us and we don't know it), or sharing with us in His love and guiding us in sharing with us. We can even experience Him to be so . . . versus there being nothing, no conscious anything whatever.

 

[Pulchra]

There are times when I consider how there is anything in existence, at all . . . versus there being nothing.

This for me is a marvelous wonder. I don't think nothing could produce all we are experiencing to exist. And there is God who is so absolutely great and beautifully wondrous in love and in almighty power and control, and personal with people, even though He is so superior > He is not conceited . . . but personally communicates with each of us > He can be resisting us (while blessing us and we don't know it), or sharing with us in His love and guiding us in sharing with us. We can even experience Him to be so . . . versus there being nothing, no conscious anything whatever.

Mhm, good thoughts on the subject really

 

[Caliban]

I was just thinking, everyone says the universe will just end with it being a cold, cold place when the surns burn out, but think about it, if everything consists of this raw energy-sort of thing, wouldn`t this thing be infinite in amount since if it`s limited amount, it wouldn`t be very logical because then what or who decided how much energy there would be? Did god himself decide how much there would be perhaps? Exactly, my thinking is that energy is infinite in amount and is always spreading in an empty void we call space, if it were limited amount something had probably to decide the amount, which isn`t very logical probably.. so is it flowing from god itself and always eternal, did he create it?

Are you asking a scientific or a theological question? The answers you receive will vary wildly if this is unknown.

 

[Pulchra]

Are you asking a scientific or a theological question? The answers you receive will vary wildly if this is unknown.

Don`t know, really

 

[com7fy8]

I was just thinking, everyone says the universe will just end with it being a cold, cold place when the sun burns out and the earth cools,

I personally get that this would be the mainstream secular scientific idea > the earth has to cool down, eventually, due to thermal principles.

But the Bible says things will end in fire . . . not very cool, then. 2 Peter 3:10 >

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10)

People have different ideas about what this really means; so talking about this theologically can get wild, indeed.

but think about it, if everything consists of this raw energy-sort of thing, wouldn`t this thing be infinite in amount since if it`s limited amount, it wouldn`t be very logical because then what or who decided how much energy there would be?

I think it could be either way . . . limited or infinite . . . whether God decided or not. My opinion is it is limited, in any given location, like the earth. The earth has limits. But does the universe exist without spacial end out in all directions? I believe God has no outer boundary of Himself, and so it is possible He has creation to no end in any direction from us. But where we are there are limits > even the sun is believed to be able to produce light and heat for only so long.

Did god himself decide how much there would be perhaps?

I think so. God is in all-management of all. So, yes. But there are Bible claiming people who disagree with this. I think control is an ego problem; and so ones can be very upset at the possibility how God really is the One in control of everything.

my thinking is that energy is infinite in amount and is always spreading in an empty void we call space, if it were limited amount something had probably to decide the amount, which isn`t very logical probably.. so is it flowing from god itself and always eternal, did he create it?

In any case, He created it. But, scientifically, it is possible for energy to be limited in amount and still function wherever it is. But it seems that forms of energy can keep on being energy . . . like how sunlight energy can be captured by a green plant and stored in sugar and then something can eat that sugar and use its energy, then that energy can be captured in coal or oil for a long time, but then a fire can turn that energy loose, which was sitting in that cold coal or cold oil, but always was ready to act in a hot way. So, scientifically, to me, this shows energy can continue. But if it burns away from, say, coal, then you might have no way to capture it, again; but it is somewhere, I would say.

It seems if the energy just goes into the air, it can get lost from humans keeping track of it. But if energy is captured and held in molecules, it can stay a while because atoms and molecules do not seem to break down. So, it depends; it's interesting.

 

[Pulchra]

I personally get that this would be the mainstream secular scientific idea > the earth has to cool down, eventually, due to thermal principles.

But the Bible says things will end in fire . . . not very cool, then. 2 Peter 3:10 >

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10)

People have different ideas about what this really means; so talking about this theologically can get wild, indeed.

I think it could be either way . . . limited or infinite . . . whether God decided or not. My opinion is it is limited, in any given location, like the earth. The earth has limits. But does the universe exist without spacial end out in all directions? I believe God has not outer boundary of Himself, and so it is possible He has creation to no end in any direction from us. But where we are there are limits > even the sun is believed to be able to produce light and heat for only so long.

I think so. God is in all-management of all. So, yes. But there are Bible claiming people who disagree with this. I think control is an ego problem; and so ones can be very upset at the possibility how God really is the One in control of everything.In any case, He created it. But, scientifically, it is possible for energy to be limited in amount and still function wherever it is. But it seems that forms of energy can keep on being energy . . . like how sunlight energy can be captured by a green plant and stored in sugar and then something can eat that sugar and use its energy, then that energy can be captured in coal or oil for a long time, but then a fire can turn that energy loose, which was sitting in that cold coal or cold oil, but always was ready to act in a hot way. So, scientifically, to me, this shows energy can continue. But if it burns away from, say, coal, then you might have no way to capture it, again; but it is somewhere, I would say.

It seems if the energy just goes into the air, it can get lost from humans keeping track of it. But if energy is captured and held in molecules, it can stay a while because atoms and molecules do not seem to break down. So, it depends; it's interesting.

Ah, thanks

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I was just thinking, everyone says the universe will just end with it being a cold, cold place when the surns burn out, but think about it, if everything consists of this raw energy-sort of thing, wouldn`t this thing be infinite in amount since if it`s limited amount, it wouldn`t be very logical because then what or who decided how much energy there would be? Did god himself decide how much there would be perhaps? Exactly, my thinking is that energy is infinite in amount and is always spreading in an empty void we call space, if it were limited amount something had probably to decide the amount, which isn`t very logical probably.. so is it flowing from god itself and always eternal, did he create it?

Why do you think someone had to decide how much energy the universe has? If so, why have you concluded that it is a God that decided?

 

[Pulchra]

Why do you think someone had to decide how much energy the universe has? If so, why have you concluded that it is a God that decided?

Just seems a little strange if the amount if finite because then something had to decide how much it would be I think, god who decided, well, I don`t know really

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Just seems a little strange if the amount if finite because then something had to decide how much it would be I think, god who decided, well, I don`t know really

Well, we don't know why the universe or cosmos is here and why it has the properties it has. But, we cannot conclude a creator without sufficient evidence to do so. The answer is "I don't" know until we know.

 

[Pulchra]

Well, we don't know why the universe or cosmos is here and why it has the properties it has. But, we cannot conclude a creator without sufficient evidence to do so. The answer is "I don't" know until we know.

mhm

 

[Sanoy]

The universe doesn't end in coldness because the energy runs out, it ends because the energy will be in equilibrium. Right now there are hot areas that are livable and cold areas that aren't over time the universe will become one temperature, which will be a cold one. This is what they call entropy, that all things move toward equilibrium. The universe will end in maximal entropy as entropy is always increasing. The energy never decreases or increases it just distributes until there is no potential for change. In an isolated system, like our universe, entropy can only increase (toward equilibrium). You can think of it like a music box. The Music Box can't wind itself, but something outside it can wind it up, but eventually Music Box's potential will reach equilibrium in which it will do nothing. God began the universe with low entropy, and since He is not a product of the universe he can decrease the entropy (wind it up) if and when He chooses to do so.

It's important to distinguish randomness and uncaused. Minds aren't random, they are simply uncaused. Minds act according to their nature. And thankfully for us His nature is more limited than ours. While we can act good or evil, He cannot.