Was Gods punishing the Jews because in the holocaust because they killed? Jesus

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Ws the holocaust Gods punishment of the Jews??

Many say that because of the Jews rejecting Jesus and insist he be crucified that God punished them in the Holocaust (I do not believe this but welcome comments)

Just as many gentiles died in Hitler's death camps, mainly Christians as Jews did, so then God was killing gentiles and not just Jews explain that. Explain that Tony

Records show that at least of the six million Jewish people murdered in the death camps of which another 7 million of them were gentiles

I believe that there is a lack of understanding of Jesus' death. He died for our sins, including that of the Jewish people. In fact, the Jews are his special people the people of the Book so why on earth would God sit back and allow all of his beloved people to be murdered by a beast like Hitler Without Jesus's death there would be no resurrection. Without his death, there's no new covenant. It doesn't matter who God used to facilitate Jesus' death. It was ordained and to say that God then punishes the people he ordained to kill Jesus in the most horrific way is to give God the character of Satan and not that of a holy merciful Almighty God

Look at it this way, if you murder someone and 2000 years later all your ancestors, who know nothing about you or how you lived your life, are put to death in a most hideous way possible, for something you did 2000 years ago, is that just and fair?

Satan was not created evil, in Ezekiel, God says of him you were perfect in all your ways until sin was found in you.

You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.


Why did God have to wait until 1945 years almost 2000 years after Jesus death on the cross, and only then punish the Jews woman, such as little children, babies, men old men and old woman, who knew nothing about Jesus and could not be held accountable for a sin done by their ancestors 2000 years ago.

Is that the just God of the Bible, no it is more like Satan than God to murder people for no reason at all? A just God would have killed those living at the time or just after the time, who knew about Jesus and their responsibility for his crucifixion

Well then God had it wrong seeing as Christ was crucified by the Romans. Not to mentioned according to the Bible Christ's sole purpose on Earth was to live a sin free life and die for the sins of all mankind so it seems sort of silly to punish anyone for what was supposed to happen

Actually, both the Jews and Romans are responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. You can't just put the blame on one party. The Romans were the one to physically perform the acts of abuse on Christ, but devout followers of Judaism had a heavy influence on Christ's death

The fact is that God sent Jesus to die for humanities sins so that they through his spilled Blood they could be forgiven their sins. Makes no sense for him to have sent punishment upon the Jews when God himself sent Christ here to die for all. We are all equally guilty of Jesus’s death on the cross, 50% gentile namely the Romans and the other 505 Jews.

Neither Jews nor Christian ideals produced the Holocaust. Those murders were generated by the same perversion of human nature that the Holy Scriptures depict, beginning in the Book of Genesis. Cain turned on his own brother and became the first murderer.

And while the Jewish people have been singled out more often for genocide than any other people, they are by no means the only group of people to be methodically murdered. Consider the “ethnic cleansing,” the systematic rape and murder of the Bosnian people perpetrated in the 1990s. No, genocide neither began nor ended with Hitler and the Jewish people.

However, if Jesus' and his disciples' claims are true, that he came to die for the wrongdoing of all humanity both Jews and Gentiles Then all of us have a part in the death of Jesus, collectively and individually. Not a message most of us want to hear, but one that was articulated even before the time of Jesus, by the prophet Isaiah, who wrote of one who would be ". “pierced through for our transgressions” “crushed for our iniquities” the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him and by His scourging we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5).

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Ws the holocaust Gods punishment of the Jews??

Many say that because of the Jews rejecting Jesus and insist he be crucified that God punished them in the Holocaust (I do not believe this but welcome comments)

Just as many gentiles died in Hitler's death camps, mainly Christians as Jews did, so then God was killing gentiles and not just Jews explain that. Explain that Tony

Records show that at least of the six million Jewish people murdered in the death camps of which another 7 million of them were gentiles

I believe that there is a lack of understanding of Jesus' death. He died for our sins, including that of the Jewish people. In fact, the Jews are his special people the people of the Book so why on earth would God sit back and allow all of his beloved people to be murdered by a beast like Hitler Without Jesus's death there would be no resurrection. Without his death, there's no new covenant. It doesn't matter who God used to facilitate Jesus' death. It was ordained and to say that God then punishes the people he ordained to kill Jesus in the most horrific way is to give God the character of Satan and not that of a holy merciful Almighty God

Look at it this way, if you murder someone and 2000 years later all your ancestors, who know nothing about you or how you lived your life, are put to death in a most hideous way possible, for something you did 2000 years ago, is that just and fair?

Satan was not created evil, in Ezekiel, God says of him you were perfect in all your ways until sin was found in you.

You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.


Why did God have to wait until 1945 years almost 2000 years after Jesus death on the cross, and only then punish the Jews woman, such as little children, babies, men old men and old woman, who knew nothing about Jesus and could not be held accountable for a sin done by their ancestors 2000 years ago.

Is that the just God of the Bible, no it is more like Satan than God to murder people for no reason at all? A just God would have killed those living at the time or just after the time, who knew about Jesus and their responsibility for his crucifixion

Well then God had it wrong seeing as Christ was crucified by the Romans. Not to mentioned according to the Bible Christ's sole purpose on Earth was to live a sin free life and die for the sins of all mankind so it seems sort of silly to punish anyone for what was supposed to happen

Actually, both the Jews and Romans are responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. You can't just put the blame on one party. The Romans were the one to physically perform the acts of abuse on Christ, but devout followers of Judaism had a heavy influence on Christ's death

The fact is that God sent Jesus to die for humanities sins so that they through his spilled Blood they could be forgiven their sins. Makes no sense for him to have sent punishment upon the Jews when God himself sent Christ here to die for all. We are all equally guilty of Jesus’s death on the cross, 50% gentile namely the Romans and the other 505 Jews.

Neither Jews nor Christian ideals produced the Holocaust. Those murders were generated by the same perversion of human nature that the Holy Scriptures depict, beginning in the Book of Genesis. Cain turned on his own brother and became the first murderer.

And while the Jewish people have been singled out more often for genocide than any other people, they are by no means the only group of people to be methodically murdered. Consider the “ethnic cleansing,” the systematic rape and murder of the Bosnian people perpetrated in the 1990s. No, genocide neither began nor ended with Hitler and the Jewish people.

However, if Jesus' and his disciples' claims are true, that he came to die for the wrongdoing of all humanity both Jews and Gentiles Then all of us have a part in the death of Jesus, collectively and individually. Not a message most of us want to hear, but one that was articulated even before the time of Jesus, by the prophet Isaiah, who wrote of one who would be ". “pierced through for our transgressions” “crushed for our iniquities” the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him and by His scourging we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5).

Any comments

Sure, i'll comment.

First thing that came to mind for me, is that "we" all (mankind) crucified Jesus on that cross. It says so, right in the Bible. A big ol' hint for me is what it says right there in John 3:16.

Yup, for me, there it is. It speaks volumes. Then there's Genesis, and how this whole spinning crazily, saturated with sin world and the curse of death started.

It was that egotistical, God wanna-be, ol' Satan himself. Yup, he tempted Eve, to wanna be as God too, so she'd y'know, be "wise" n'all. And she fell for it. And what was Adam doing? Well he was sitting there right beside her watching the whole thing, and when she gave Adam what was forbidden, well he just went right ahead and followed his wife's lead.

Uh-oh, then it was time for the Creator Himself to come for His daily walk in the garden. And do you know what Adam and Eve did? Well they went and hid. But the Creator finds them, and must'a grabbed that ol' serpent the devil by the scruff o' the neck (who must'a had legs right about then). And there it begins. God the Creator says right then what is going to happen and that is, that there will be One born, down the line from Adam and Eve's seed, Who will downright crush that ol' serpent's head. But first that ol' serpent loses his legs and has to crawl on his belly in the dust for the rest of his days.

So you don't gotta be of any particular persuasion to "hate" the Christ. Just fallen man, who is desperately in need of a Redeemer, and has enmity towards not only the Christ, but the Father.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." ~John 3:16

By the way, welcome to CF, Alan. :wave:
 
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Ws the holocaust Gods punishment of the Jews??

Many say that because of the Jews rejecting Jesus and insist he be crucified that God punished them in the Holocaust (I do not believe this but welcome comments)

No. No no no. The Holocaust was not God's punishment of anybody for anything. The Holocaust was an evil act, carried out by evil human beings. It was not God's will, absolutely not.
 
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No. No no no. The Holocaust was not God's punishment of anybody for anything. The Holocaust was an evil act, carried out by evil human beings. It was not God's will, absolutely not.

By the way, getting back to the Holocaust, i agree with PloverWing.

Emphatically.

iu
 
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Many say that because of the Jews rejecting Jesus and insist he be crucified that God punished them in the Holocaust (I do not believe this but welcome comments)
I don't believe it either.
 
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God desires sinners to repent. Many times God afflicts Israel in scriptures, yet they did not repent. See Amos chapter 4. That was the purpose. God is always just, his ways are always for your own good. Just like a father to chastise, correct, may I say discipline, his children? It is not for us to judge God. Who even asks that kind of question or purposes that his judgments are not holy? His ways are higher. He is never cruel. Look at martyrs of the past. They were killed in his name, and they receive crowns. God lifts them up. God will exact his judgment as he said he would. The question I believe you are trying to get at, is the current day Israel, the same as the one mentioned in scriptures. Given the past, one could surmise that the Holocaust is a tool conjured by evil men, which God in turn used to cause Israel to come to Jesus Christ. And Currently the Jewish state does not believe in Jesus. The Holocaust was not a punishment for the crucifixion, but then again I could not say, as even the scriptures state that the Jewish congregation said it was on them and their children. But Jesus said to forgive them, for they know not what they do. In other words, the crucifixion was forgiveness. Done deal. He didn't hold a grudge for it. When people are in sin, he corrects them. That was the deal in WW2. He was working something for the better.
 
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We know that God did allow enemies to attack and destroy the Israelites many times because of their unbelief and rebellion. The problem with accepting this theory you have is that it can make us look at the Jews with disdain and judgement because of it and that is NOT God's way.
HE can do what He wants, and does for the purpose of testing & refining, but it is dangerous for us to take part in that because we tend to be condemning towards the Jews.
Paul clearly said that God is not done with the Jews because of His promise to Abraham, so we would do well to avoid making judgements on the topic.

This also goes for natural disasters in wicked places like Key West. The hurricane destruction just may very well be a punishment, but we should look at it with reverence, fear of God and compassion for those who suffer. THAT is God's way.
 
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We know that God did allow enemies to attack and destroy the Israelites many times because of their unbelief and rebellion. The problem with accepting this theory you have is that it can make us look at the Jews with disdain and judgement because of it and that is NOT God's way.
HE can do what He wants, and does for the purpose of testing & refining, but it is dangerous for us to take part in that because we tend to be condemning towards the Jews.
Paul clearly said that God is not done with the Jews because of His promise to Abraham, so we would do well to avoid making judgements on the topic.

This also goes for natural disasters in wicked places like Key West. The hurricane destruction just may very well be a punishment, but we should look at it with reverence, fear of God and compassion for those who suffer. THAT is God's way.

Hi Shempster, i don't quite agree with you, cuz when it comes to the Holocaust, it was just plain ol' evil in all its glory. had nothing to do with "punishment", but ev'rything to do with the evils of man, in all its glory.

Innocent helpless babies come to mind, and their demise, by the millions. This is the evils of man in all its glory. Has always been so, since the fall of man.

By the way, Happy Birthday. :wave:
 
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Records show that at least of the six million Jewish people murdered in the death camps of which another 7 million of them were gentiles

I don't believe there are records showing six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

Well then God had it wrong seeing as Christ was crucified by the Romans.

The Romans were just the instrument the Jews used to kill Jesus. The Bible blames the Jews for killing Jesus. E.g. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Not to mentioned according to the Bible Christ's sole purpose on Earth was to live a sin free life and die for the sins of all mankind so it seems sort of silly to punish anyone for what was supposed to happen

Jesus himself taught that God was going to punish the Jews for killing him. And, God did that in 70 AD.

The Holocaust itself, clearly very exaggerated, was a product of both the anti-judaism of Christianity and the hostility of Jewish Talmudism, as well as secular politics of the day.
 
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I don't believe there are records showing six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust.



The Romans were just the instrument the Jews used to kill Jesus. The Bible blames the Jews for killing Jesus. E.g. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.



Jesus himself taught that God was going to punish the Jews for killing him. And, God did that in 70 AD.

The Holocaust itself, clearly very exaggerated, was a product of both the anti-judaism of Christianity and the hostility of Jewish Talmudism, as well as secular politics of the day.
Wow the Jews killed God? God's not so powerful then is He?
 
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Jews have traditionally viewed their tribulations as painful correction from God for their sins.
I think that the Holocaust this tendency of self-recrimination was for the most part halted.
Here, the punishment was all out of proportion to any possible sins that they could have committed.
The genocides of the twentieth century did not arise out of the great sins of the victims. They arose out of the nihilism and the pendulum swings against nihilism to totalitarian answers to the total lack of meaning that people increasingly found in their lives, as modernism pushed God into total irrelevance and obsolescence.
The punishment of the Holocaust was not ultimately God's judgment of the Jews. Jews emerged from the fires of annihilation stronger and more steeled than they ever had been for two thousand years, even gaining back their territory that had been lost since the first generations of Christ.
God's punishment was actually against Europe. he had up a mirror to the great evil that the Last Men of Europe had become in their nihilistic and totalitarian creeds.
And increasingly, the self-condemnation of Europe has destroyed their will to live, or to even to defend themselves against people that have no use for their empty philosophies.
In the wake of the holocaust it is Europe that is dying, and not the Jews and Israel.
 
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Why did God have to wait until 1945 years almost 2000 years after Jesus death on the cross, and only then punish the Jews woman, such as little children, babies, men old men and old woman, who knew nothing about Jesus and could not be held accountable for a sin done by their ancestors 2000 years ago.

Is that the just God of the Bible, no it is more like Satan than God to murder people for no reason at all? A just God would have killed those living at the time or just after the time, who knew about Jesus and their responsibility for his crucifixion

Wow the Jews killed God? God's not so powerful then is He?
In my blue print below, I will try to give my shorter answer about all this.

The comments above show how, obviously, each of us is unique, so each of us can have quite a unique way of looking at this :)

To keep it simple > there can be a difference between a punishment and a consequence. If God is punishing, it is fair. However it is possible for a person to get one's own self into an unfair situation because of not obeying how God would take care of the person . . . this can be consequence, not God's measured punishment, and consequences of sinning can be very unfair. But, also, there can be God's punishment going on, right while a person is also suffering consequences which come with doing things in Satan's selfish and anti-love and anti-Christ kingdom.

I can see that ones have been where they were not supposed to be, and so they were easy targets for evil people. In the early scriptures, God guarantees the Jews safety while they stay where He wants to take care of them, and obey Him. But at times they disobeyed how God wanted to care for them tenderly, and they got in major messes which He warned would happen. And the ones hurting them then suffered major consequences in God's management.

Also . . . Jesus on the cross was meant to start God's blessing in a new way, with mercy and reconciliation being the priority. So, it is possible that Christ forgiving on the cross is why things have not been much worse, since the resurrection of the Messiah of the Jews. It could have been much worse, by now, than that Holocaust thing, thanks to Jesus so suffering and dying for us.


Here are more of my personal things, in case you want to get into more detail with me >

I tend to be judgmental and critical. But there are things which seem to be what I can't get out of.

The Jews are God's chosen people. Their promised land is in the Middle East. It was considered not a blessing for them to be driven into Gentile lands. In the book of Ruth, we see what happened when Naomi's husband took their family into a Gentile area; I suspect that was because he did not trust the LORD by staying with God's people in Israel. Also, the Old Testament clearly says that because the Jewish nation did not obey God, they at times were conquered by different empires and ones were taken into slavery in Gentile lands. While Jesus was on earth, they were under occupation by the Roman Empire; I understand that was because they had not been obeying God.

While Jesus was on this earth, we have found out what both Jews and Gentiles are capable of doing. Together, both Jews and Roman Gentiles rejected and hated and cursed and tortured and murdered Jesus God's own Son, on the cross. A number of socially accepted culturally respectable Jews were involved in doing that; to me, it looks like even Jewish mommies and daddies were in on it > Matthew 27:25 < they even cursed their own children with Jesus Christ's blood.

To me, this demonstrates that everyday culturally acceptable Jews or Gentiles, even family people, are capable of such evil, but they just don't have motivation to do it. This is why we need Jesus to do His real job of changing any of us out of our human sin nature, into how God's love cures our nature (1 John 4:17). All of us need this, or else there is no telling what any of us could break down into doing > 2 Timothy 3:13 > Hebrews 12:4-11.

And what was done to the Jews in Germany shows, also, what can be done by people who were in a civilized, educated nation with a religious culture. There were a number of German legal citizens who became able to do all that, or to help it by not stopping it. Much of a whole nation, when having motivation, were able to fall for Adolph Hitler and function like psychopaths. In any country, there is no telling how many people are living legally but they are ready-to-go to act like psychopaths for evil ruling people > an example of this is how David's own army included "wicked and worthless men" (1 Samuel 30:22) who were ready to take everyone the wrong way > feed on 1 Samuel chapter 30.

And we, wherever we are now, are human, too. So, any of us could do it, too, if motivated. If you don't think so, consider how any person can react if you effectively mess with or just seem to threaten what really is that person's treasure pleasure or security. This is one reason why we need to trust in Jesus and not hold to any selfish treasure.

And possibly any of us has found out that our sinning can get us into much more trouble than the sin might deserve. Ones are suffering horrendous things because they refuse Jesus and then get into much trouble because they do not obey how Jesus would take care of them. It might not be punishment, but it is a result of doing something in Satan's kingdom where things are so unfair.

Even so - - - I consider . . . after all Jesus suffered for us, how much is too much punishment for us to suffer if we just trash Jesus like He is nothing but an intellectual issue and we can make our selves the dictators and judges of Jesus? So, if Jews have left their homeland and have spat on Jesus their own Messiah . . . they are operating in Satan's kingdom where they do not have how God could be taking care of them. And the same goes for Gentiles.

Whether the Holocaust was deserved or not, it could be a consequence of straying from where and how God would have been taking care of them. And this could go for the Gentiles, too, who were victims of that.

But if we obey Jesus, He says we are guaranteed to be taken care of by God, and nothing can happen except what is in God's perfect control, and be glad and rejoice if we suffer for Him because we are obeying Him.

And have compassion on ones who are so paying for not obeying. If someone is suffering because their own evil got them in trouble, we are not helping them by treating them like poor innocent victims. We need to pray for what they really need.
 
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Ws the holocaust Gods punishment of the Jews??

Many say that because of the Jews rejecting Jesus and insist he be crucified that God punished them in the Holocaust (I do not believe this but welcome comments)

Just as many gentiles died in Hitler's death camps, mainly Christians as Jews did, so then God was killing gentiles and not just Jews explain that. Explain that Tony

Records show that at least of the six million Jewish people murdered in the death camps of which another 7 million of them were gentiles

I believe that there is a lack of understanding of Jesus' death. He died for our sins, including that of the Jewish people. In fact, the Jews are his special people the people of the Book so why on earth would God sit back and allow all of his beloved people to be murdered by a beast like Hitler Without Jesus's death there would be no resurrection. Without his death, there's no new covenant. It doesn't matter who God used to facilitate Jesus' death. It was ordained and to say that God then punishes the people he ordained to kill Jesus in the most horrific way is to give God the character of Satan and not that of a holy merciful Almighty God

Look at it this way, if you murder someone and 2000 years later all your ancestors, who know nothing about you or how you lived your life, are put to death in a most hideous way possible, for something you did 2000 years ago, is that just and fair?

Satan was not created evil, in Ezekiel, God says of him you were perfect in all your ways until sin was found in you.

You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.


Why did God have to wait until 1945 years almost 2000 years after Jesus death on the cross, and only then punish the Jews woman, such as little children, babies, men old men and old woman, who knew nothing about Jesus and could not be held accountable for a sin done by their ancestors 2000 years ago.

Is that the just God of the Bible, no it is more like Satan than God to murder people for no reason at all? A just God would have killed those living at the time or just after the time, who knew about Jesus and their responsibility for his crucifixion

Well then God had it wrong seeing as Christ was crucified by the Romans. Not to mentioned according to the Bible Christ's sole purpose on Earth was to live a sin free life and die for the sins of all mankind so it seems sort of silly to punish anyone for what was supposed to happen

Actually, both the Jews and Romans are responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. You can't just put the blame on one party. The Romans were the one to physically perform the acts of abuse on Christ, but devout followers of Judaism had a heavy influence on Christ's death

The fact is that God sent Jesus to die for humanities sins so that they through his spilled Blood they could be forgiven their sins. Makes no sense for him to have sent punishment upon the Jews when God himself sent Christ here to die for all. We are all equally guilty of Jesus’s death on the cross, 50% gentile namely the Romans and the other 505 Jews.

Neither Jews nor Christian ideals produced the Holocaust. Those murders were generated by the same perversion of human nature that the Holy Scriptures depict, beginning in the Book of Genesis. Cain turned on his own brother and became the first murderer.

And while the Jewish people have been singled out more often for genocide than any other people, they are by no means the only group of people to be methodically murdered. Consider the “ethnic cleansing,” the systematic rape and murder of the Bosnian people perpetrated in the 1990s. No, genocide neither began nor ended with Hitler and the Jewish people.

However, if Jesus' and his disciples' claims are true, that he came to die for the wrongdoing of all humanity both Jews and Gentiles Then all of us have a part in the death of Jesus, collectively and individually. Not a message most of us want to hear, but one that was articulated even before the time of Jesus, by the prophet Isaiah, who wrote of one who would be ". “pierced through for our transgressions” “crushed for our iniquities” the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him and by His scourging we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5).

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No. The happenings in 70AD are linked.
 
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The Jews are God's chosen people.

How do you reconcile your belief that Jews are God's chosen people with Jesus saying Jews are of the devil? Which verse in all the Bible do you get that faithless Jews are God's chosen people?

Together, both Jews and Roman Gentiles rejected and hated and cursed and tortured and murdered Jesus God's own Son, on the cross.

Why do you blame the Romans when the Bible only blames the Jews? Yes, the Bible gives the account of the Romans caring out the execution, but it doesn't place the blame on them. The Roman role was only to appease Jewish demands, and Pontious Pilate desperately resisted jewish demands.

And what was done to the Jews in Germany shows, also, what can be done by people who were in a civilized, educated nation with a religious culture.

The German population in WWII knew nothing of the Holocaust.
 
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"The Jews" as a people did not kill Jesus. He was executed by the Roman authorities as a political dissident at the request of the High Priest and a small circle of sycophants (Saducees) around him. The average Jew likely mourned him as just another in a long line of failed messiahs. To suggest that God was paying back the Jews for the death of Jesus is a rather pathetic way to justify almost 2000 years of Christian persecution of the Jews.
 
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"The Jews" as a people did not kill Jesus. He was executed by the Roman authorities as a political dissident at the request of the High Priest and a small circle of sycophants (Saducees) around him. The average Jew likely mourned him as just another in a long line of failed messiahs. To suggest that God was paying back the Jews for the death of Jesus is a rather pathetic way to justify almost 2000 years of Christian persecution of the Jews.

Both the Bible in letter and spirit refutes your falsehoods, and you teach those falsehoods to whitewash those Jesus said were of the Devil.

Paul says, "For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets..." Right there, clear as day, "the Jews" killed Jesus, in the context of countrymen, not in any context you claim.

Jesus said God would punish the Jews. Luke 19:44 etc. What is it you were saying is rather pathetic?
 
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Ws the holocaust Gods punishment of the Jews?? Many say that because of the Jews rejecting Jesus and insist he be crucified that God punished them in the Holocaust (I do not believe this but welcome comments).

I'm glad that you do not believe this because it makes no sense. Those Jews who were murdered by the Nazis were not in any way involved with the crucifixion of Jesus.
 
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Historians and demographers estimate that there were about 10 million Jews in the 1st century. Only about 3 million of them lived in Judea/Galilee and of them I suspect that at most only a couple of hundred thousand had even heard of Jesus. No, "the Jews" did not kill Jesus but it is absolutely certain that the High Priesthood colluded with the Romans to have Jesus executed.
 
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