Was D&D locked?

DeanM said:

That would be me. This idea to split the forums existed long before I came to work SDA. But, you're correct. I did what I could to help the split take place, along with the help of great deal of members who supported this change. I believe the vote was 40-2, and I only voted once. And, just to be clear, I was trying to offer the Progressives a discussion subforum in WWMC. That's what the poll was for. In the end, upper CF staff offered them their own forum. That was beyond the scope of my involvement. But, I'm happy that they have their own forum, and not just a subforum. I did this all in the public view, and I kept CF staff well-informed of my actions.

You can name me by name. I'm not hiding.

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reddogs said:

Yes, but the way it was done, without a full comprehension of the issues and history, and with the misrepresentation of some as a "persecuted" group, it showed a bias for a 'liberal' viewpoint rather than being neutral in the matter.

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reddogs said:

Yes, but the way it was done, without a full comprehension of the issues and history, and with the misrepresentation of some as a "persecuted" group, it showed a bias for a 'liberal' viewpoint rather than being neutral in the matter.

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DeanM said:

The wording in my poll was considered to be within CF's rules. I stand by my wording.

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TrustAndObey said:

Oh for pete's sake.

Dean, nobody said the Progressives closed the D&D section--we all know they don't have the power to do that and that it had to be Admin. However, by your own admittance they violated our FSGs and as a RESULT of that, our D&D section was closed.

I think you owe us an apology for saying we are not correct and have NEVER been correct...when obviously we are.

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DeanM said:

But you're not correct.

I can't discuss the staff discussion here. Suffice it to say that the idea that progressives prompted this closure is just plain wrong. Or, you might as well blame people who eat hamburgers, because I'm sure they had a far bigger effect, and you'd actually be more correct if you blamed them . . .

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DeanM said:

But you're not correct.

I can't discuss the staff discussion here. Suffice it to say that the idea that progressives prompted this closure is just plain wrong. Or, you might as well blame people who eat hamburgers, because I'm sure they had a far bigger effect, and you'd actually be more correct if you blamed them . . .

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DeanM said:

A clarification seems to be in order.

The D+D area has been closed. The discussion that has lead to this has been taking place at the staff level. That is why members have not seen this discussion.

It has been pointed out that some progressives have been violating the FSGs in that area. That is the extent of the progressive's involvement in the closing of this forum. To say that progressives had a hand in the closing of the forum is completely wrong. The perceived link between the members who commited FSG violations and the staff members who are discussing this closure does not exist. One could just as easily say that "People who eat hamburgers are behind this," and be far more correct than any of the other theories presented so far.

I merely pointed out that this closure was not based on any recommendation or input from any progressive member of CF. I point this out to avoid a potential misconception against an innocent party.

Did progressives post in D+D? Yes. But that's the only link to the progressives that exists. All other discussions have taken place at a staff level. I cannot comment on staff discussions, so you'll have to be patient while this addressed.

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DeanM said:

Your staff is not beyond your control. Any staff member's actions are open for discussion here:

http://christianforums.com/f596-staff-appeals.html

This would be a better venue to discuss my position on staff, as it is off topic for this thread.

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woobadooba said:

Here's my take on it. Get rid of the D&D section altogether. It is not needed. Why should we debate amongst ourselves anyway?

We can discuss things without debating.

Get rid of the debate section and you will also solve the problem of people that come in here to harass us. Any post that they put up to attack our beliefs will result in them being banned from our forum.

There. That's the solution!

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happywiththelord said:

Woob,

i have been calling for this forever brother!! Nobody listens to me!

I am glad that you see what I have been proclaiming!

And for the record, i agree with everything T&O has been saying! I see the same thing she is seeing!!

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TrustAndObey said:

I listen to what you guys say, but I personally like to debate. I learn a lot that way, personally.

What I don't like is being harassed by the same people year after year.

My suggestion is a forum-specific ban implemented against those that we KNOW have caused problems in the past and those that don't follow our rules for debate.

Don't let them make this decision FOR us guys. If we decide to shut it down later, then fine, but I will not stand still for having it done against our consensus.

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