Was Charles Darwin a fraud?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Here's what was actually said by Yuval Noah Harari..........................................

Go to minute mark ~ 7:30 to 9:00

That's not what was said because what he said is included in the link I gave. You linked to an entirely different lecture of his. What he said is in the link I gave.

 

[River Jordan]

No. The notion you have claimed is conceived by means of a logical deduction which presupposes philosophically believed truths. These are untestable because they are beliefs.
There is nothing in the scientific method which makes the claims you are making.

Sorry I don't know what claims you're referring to.

Nope .. all those references are based on philosophical positions and not on objectively tested evidence.

Of course they are, that was the point! Well, that and getting you to understand the difference between philosophical and methodological naturalism.

They are inconsistent arguments when viewed from science's inference based objective method.
This is a crucial matter to understand about science.
Injecting any philosophically held untestable tenets involving the existence of untestable truths, into science, is the most aggregious violation of the principles used in science I can think of.

Honestly I don't know what you're talking about anymore.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's not what was said because what he said is included in the link I gave. You linked to an entirely different lecture of his. What he said is in the link I gave.

Ok. So, he said something similar. Did you bother to listen to the minute and a half that I marked?

Obviously, Yuri isn't saying that an A.I. Bible WILL be made, but he was suggesting that A.I. could write a text that would be considered sacred and accurate. What that would be, I don't know. A "correct" version of the Bible? A new world Scripture above all religious texts?

It's not clear at this point. But there's an open future possibility.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ok. So, he said something similar. Did you bother to listen to the minute and a half that I marked?

Obviously, Yuri isn't saying that an A.I. Bible WILL be made, but he was suggesting that A.I. could write a text that would be considered sacred and accurate. What that would be, I don't know. A "correct" version of the Bible? A new world Scripture above all religious texts?

It's not clear at this point.

There was no necessity for what you did, I have to admit. It was pointless because the link I gave had the pertinent and also correct commentary in it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's what was actually said by Yuval Noah Harari..........................................

Go to minute mark ~ 7:30 to 9:00

Okay ... so he said AI "could" write a bible.

Are you saying that the World Economic Forum didn't call for it to be done?

And did you catch his implication that all religions are wrong, when he said, "In a few years there might even be religions that are correct."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Okay ... so he said AI "could" write a bible.

Are you saying that the World Economic Forum didn't call for it to be done?

And did you catch his implication that all religions are wrong, when he said, "In a few years there might even be religions that are correct."

As the link I gave before said: NO, it didn't call for it to be done. Not in the slightest.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok. So, he said something similar. Did you bother to listen to the minute and a half that I marked?

Obviously, Yuri isn't saying that an A.I. Bible WILL be made, but he was suggesting that A.I. could write a text that would be considered sacred and accurate. What that would be, I don't know. A "correct" version of the Bible? A new world Scripture above all religious texts?

It's not clear at this point. But there's an open future possibility.

You do realize, do you not, that the IQ of a computer is zero?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Okay ... so he said AI "could" write a bible.

Are you saying that the World Economic Forum didn't call for it to be done?

They have not called for it saying, "Thou Shalt Be Done."

No. It has only been strongly suggested by Yuri, in the mode of a "warning," that it might be attempted some day, bringing with it problems for humanity, to say the least.

And did you catch his implication that all religions are wrong, when he said, "In a few years there might even be religions that are correct."

Sure. That's the flip side insinuation of what he said, and I'm not going to disagree with you that what we think is insinuated is purely and only a fabrication of your, or my, imagination. For me, it's generally THX-1138 all the way down.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You do realize, do you not, that the IQ of a computer is zero?

Yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

As the link I gave before said: NO, it didn't call for it to be done. Not in the slightest.

Okay ... thanks.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Okay ... thanks.

Personally, I expect that what Yuri warned about back in 2018 or so is more along the lines of what we have to worry about.

And of course, that just warms by little Anti-Transhumanist pea-picking heart.

 

[AV1611VET]

They have not called for it saying, "Thou Shalt Be Done."

No. It has only been strongly suggested by Yuri, in the mode of a "warning," that it might be attempted some day, bringing with it problems for humanity, to say the least.

Okay ... thanks.

Same question.

In the event it does happen, would you endorse it?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In the event it does happen, would you endorse it?

Why should they, or anyone endorse it? Is your faith so weak that a machine threatens it so easily?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's not what was said because what he said is included in the link I gave. You linked to an entirely different lecture of his. What he said is in the link I gave.

Ok. Fine. I see that now. Thanks.

 

[AV1611VET]

Personally, I expect that what Yuri warned about back in 2018 or so is more along the lines of what we have to worry about.

It think it ironic that he used Guttenberg's printing press to claim it only cranks out what it was set up to crank out, then talked about another machine -- (with the same IQ) -- making a bible.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Okay ... thanks.

Same question.

In the event it does happen, would you endorse it?

I'm a Biblical Premillennialist, AV. What do you think? Do you think I want to take the Mark of the Beast? You're seriously going to ask me this?

Let me see if I have a succinct and subtle answer: HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There. I said it. I feel better.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why should they, or anyone endorse it? Is your faith so weak that a machine threatens it so easily?

Nope.

I don't even plan to be around then.

 

[AV1611VET]

There. I said it. I feel better.

Ahem ... well I guess that settles that!

 

[BCP1928]

But, hey ... it's science doing it this time.

Where's your faith?

AI is not science. It is a computer app.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Nope.

I don't even plan to be around then.

Then don't let it bother you.